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Wow!

 

 

Now I dislike you even more!

 

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Good stuff :).  I've never actually listened to Frissel's solo stuff, but I'm familiar with his work with King Crimson. And yes, one of these days, I'll have a FAD of my own. There are currently a few other phones on the horizon beckoning me with their siren's song. If anything, I'll pick up a Heaven S on the cheap as a primer (well, let's be honest G. you made them out to be much more than that!) I gotta say, I enjoy having this thread in my feed if only for the lovely pics that keep popping up! 

 

I've yet to hear any of Mr Frissel's work with KC. I only know the work of a certain Mr Fripp with that band.  ;)

 

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It's insane how FR are taken out of context, not going to bother explaining.

Like I said, while its clearly not a good result there's nothing wrong with liking them, though personally I find it wrong to call them hi-fi or anything of the sort, it's a specialized sound.

The main point I was also making is that I was right, VIII=IX, even outside of fr...

 

The post you wrote 4 weeks ago (on the IE800 thread) about the Piano Fortes, which I quoted a few posts back in this thread—along with many other of your posts I've come across about other phones—says a lot about you, your 'particular' approach and your attitude.


Edited by music_4321 - 5/1/13 at 1:10am
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I dunno music. I'm no wordsmith but crystalline means crystal clear to me. so if someone says a phone sounds "crystalline-like", then i'm thinking it's going to sound really, really clear. part of my problem with the piano fortes is that they don't sound all that clear to me. the fi-ba-ss otoh goes to the other extreme. it's amazingly clear and detailed, and maybe it goes too far. I'm not here to rag on the piano fortes but their uniquely colored sound means they sound anything but crystalline and transparent to me. smily_headphones1.gif
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That's cool, up late.

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I think, let's not kid ourselves, the FAD PF series are one of the most esoteric IEMs available...................There is basically no meaningful bass that provides support and foundation to modern music.

However, the mids that they possess are one of the most captivatiing avaliable. There is so much inner/ micro detail that it automatically draws you into the music and everything else is forgotten. All the critique and criticisms is thrown out if the window. I for one definitely pick up the PF-IX if I wanted to listen to audiophile female vocals. Nothing else takes you to that special place the same way the PF-IX does. Everything is laid out bare for you........
Edited by spkrs01 - 5/1/13 at 3:52am
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thanks music. you're not such a grumpy old sparrow. wink.gif I'll leave you guys to wax lyrical over the PFs. smily_headphones1.gif
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I've yet to hear any of Mr Frissel's work with KC. I only know the work of a certain Mr Fripp with that band.  wink.gif

Oh man, did I have a brain fart there. I mean to type Fripp, but for some reason was thinking of guitarist Bill Frissell :l
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I think, let's not kid ourselves, the FAD PF series are one of the most esoteric IEMs available...................There is basically no meaningful bass that provides support and foundation to modern music.

However, the mids that they possess are one of the most captivatiing avaliable. There is so much inner/ micro detail that it automatically draws you into the music and everything else is forgotten. All the critique and criticisms is thrown out if the window. I for one definitely pick up the PF-IX if I wanted to listen to audiophile female vocals. Nothing else takes you to that special place the same way the PF-IX does. Everything is laid out bare for you........

 

I mostly agree with that. In regard to the bass, I agree, if you're trying to listen to hip-hop or trance, it just doesn't work. 

 

However, with stuff like jazz, the bass is the most realistic presentation of a live show. All other headphones bloat the bass and is way too much. Listen to Miles Davis on the PF, then switch to another headphone and hear how the bass is horribly rendered. On the PF, it's dry, yet meaty, smoky, has all the reverb, but doesn't have the bloat. It lets the horns do the silky, sultry work. Same thing with the high-hats on the high-end. Exact same principle. 

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They block little if any ambient noise. Doubt I would wear them outside on the go. With certain motions/positions they can/will fall out. I would also hate to have the beautiful finish scratched were they to hit pavement or other hard surfaces.

 

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It didn't seem like the piano forte X I auditioned had a secure fit for moving around. They really seem designed for relaxing with a refined sound that doesn't disturb.

 

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As above, the PF's are not designed for significant or serious moving around.

 

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Here is what has upset me in the last 2 hours: One of my co-workers just referred to my PF-IX's as 'earbuds'.  Ha!

 

Thanks U-2!  So let us rule out on-the-go.  Also, let us rule out durability issues as that is not too much of a concern if it does not affect SQ. 

 

What about in a noisy trading floor office environment?  Where one has to be aware of their surroundings and co-workers say 25% of the time.  But still like to enjoy the IX's the rest of the time.  Would these 'earbuds' do OK in this environment?  Do not need perfect SQ in this environment, just good 'OK' will be fine.

 

In this case, it is actually better that they are 'open' and not sealed as I need to be aware of external ambient noises / sound.  Also, are the IX's easy to remove so if I have to respond to a co-worker, I do not give in impression of being rude by not taking off the 'earbuds'?

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Thanks U-2!  So let us rule out on-the-go.  Also, let us rule out durability issues as that is not too much of a concern if it does not affect SQ. 

 

What about in a noisy trading floor office environment?  Where one has to be aware of their surroundings and co-workers say 25% of the time.  But still like to enjoy the IX's the rest of the time.  Would these 'earbuds' do OK in this environment?  Do not need perfect SQ in this environment, just good 'OK' will be fine.

 

In this case, it is actually better that they are 'open' and not sealed as I need to be aware of external ambient noises / sound.  Also, are the IX's easy to remove so if I have to respond to a co-worker, I do not give in impression of being rude by not taking off the 'earbuds'?

 

 

This is one aspect of the PF's that is helpful to me, they block out little to no external noise and at low to medium levels they can be left in and you can have a conversation. Very easy to remove.

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I mostly agree with that. In regard to the bass, I agree, if you're trying to listen to hip-hop or trance, it just doesn't work. 

 

However, with stuff like jazz, the bass is the most realistic presentation of a live show. All other headphones bloat the bass and is way too much. Listen to Miles Davis on the PF, then switch to another headphone and hear how the bass is horribly rendered. On the PF, it's dry, yet meaty, smoky, has all the reverb, but doesn't have the bloat. It lets the horns do the silky, sultry work. Same thing with the high-hats on the high-end. Exact same principle. 

 

I agree with the above, with the exception of dry. Meaty yes, reverb, certainly. Live sounding, for sure.

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thanks music. you're not such a grumpy old sparrow. wink.gif

 

My daughter also thinks her dad isn't always that grumpy.  ;)

 

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I agree with the above, with the exception of dry. Meaty yes, reverb, certainly. Live sounding, for sure.

 

I think I see where SoundFreaq is coming from when he uses the term "dry" here. The word that comes to mind for me is "clean-sounding" (not to be confused with "lean") and this, I think, ties in with something I posted a few days ago when I mentioned james444's passing comment (in one of our exchanges) where he felt the 160Xs' drivers were fairly sophisticated. Like I said then, I don't know if that really is the case—I still think it's more a combination of things yet…—but I find there is something very natural, and rather unassuming, for a serious lack of a better term—drawing the necessary attention to it—about the rendering of low freqs (lower mids/upper bass & mid-bass). HOWEVER, I don't really think this is limited to live performances/recordings or genre-specific as there are many ways in which both studio and live performances are / have been captured. (several variables at play here)


Edited by music_4321 - 5/1/13 at 2:53pm
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...and speaking of low freqs and the PF IXs, here's a track beautifully rendered by these very peculiar phones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDCu1UjezDc

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My daughter also thinks her dad isn't always that grumpy.  ;)

 

 

I think I see where SoundFreaq is coming from when he uses the term "dry" here. The word that comes to mind for me is "clean-sounding" (not to be confused with "lean") and this, I think, ties in with something I posted a few days ago when I mentioned james444's passing comment (in one of our exchanges) where he felt the 160Xs' drivers were fairly sophisticated. Like I said then, I don't know if that really is the case—I still think it's more a combination of things yet…—but I find there is something very natural, and rather unassuming, for a serious lack of a better term—drawing the necessary attention to it—about the rendering of low freqs (lower mids/upper bass & mid-bass). HOWEVER, I don't really think this is limited to live performances/recordings or genre-specific as there are many ways in which both studio and live performances are / have been captured. (several variables at play here)

 

I think this is the crux, when I hear the word dry, lean comes to mind. Clean-sounding, yes. Lean, no. 

 

Also, I did not mean to imply the reproduction was limited to live performances. I meant that through the PF's, a lot of the music I listen to sounds more like a live performance and less like a recording - than typicallly experienced by me through headphones and/or speaker systems.

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I think this is the crux, when I hear the word dry, lean comes to mind. Clean-sounding, yes. Lean, no. 

 

Also, I did not mean to imply the reproduction was limited to live performances. I meant that through the PF's, a lot of the music I listen to sounds more like a live performance and less like a recording - than typicallly experienced by me through headphones and/or speaker systems.

 

My comment on live performances/recordings wasn't specifically a response to your comment, but it's something that has been mentioned several times before in reference to the PF IXs — it may well be for some people, and I think that's part of the beauty of discussing this phone in particular, and this thread in general, the perceptions we all seem to have and how hard it sometimes can be to articulate said impressions.

 

 

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Pink Floyd is one of those bands everyone knows about, "Dark Side of the Moon" & "The Wall" being their most famous and highly-regarded albums and must-haves in people's music collections, and great albums they are indeed, particularly the former, in my view. To me, though, Pink Floyd's finest hour came with their 1977 album, "Animals" — this is one of those albums where, depending on the moment, I don't know which, the PF IXs or FI-BA-SS, render this album more convincingly (though if really pushed, I think the PF IXs, on the whole, manage to extract that extra bit of musical juice out of this great album. (I guess it's the rendering of mid freqs that, as it often happens with me in particular with the PF IXs, is what often grabs me).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcRYdVlGXNQ

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Interestingly or perhaps really warped, the word that strikes a cord with me when listening to the IX, and I use this as an analogy is "Chalk"....

 

Listening to the IX brings fond memories of school for me, now that is a long time ago! Chalk on a blackboard as oppose to markers on a white board. With both writing tools, one can obviously read what is written. I just find most IEMs to sound like markers on a whiteboard, etched out clean and clear, defined! 

 

However, listening to the IX is like reading chalk on a blackboard. So much more character. The writing is still perfectly legible but it is not etched out. As one writes with chalk, powder is dispelled into the atmosphere and fuses with the powder already present making a coherent layer of chalk powder hanging/floating around the black board. 

 

The IX presents music like the above, there is just so much more depth and harmonic detailing. How the images interacts with each other in the sound space that draws me away from the technicalities but into the fabric of music itself.......


Edited by spkrs01 - 5/1/13 at 4:59pm
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