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post #1396 of 4600
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I have found they get a bit less genre specific the longer I listen to them.

I could not agree more, the track music gave was great on these and Tool sounds amazing (my one and only metal album) I think once one gets adjusted to how these portray music the more genres one finds oneself listening to that would not seem to fit their sonic profile.

Heck, I was listening to Haircut 100 the other day, it sounded great through these! Mind, that early eighties pop was pretty well recorded as it was still the vinyl days!

Likewise, man you have gotta hear Prefab Sprout through these!

One soon forgets what they don't excel at due to simply the musicality of them. I would love it if they could stay in the ears better as there is so much music that I just want to get up and dance to listening through these!

( Warning... Image of old, white, fat man dancing.. Not a pretty sight! eek.gif)
post #1397 of 4600

At the moment I find that hard to believe and have to disagree. Any music with electronic instruments and/or pace, my mind, unfortunately, goes back to Shotgunshane's analogy with AM radiosconfused_face_2.gif 

 

It is not a problem for me, as I had prior expectations, and it is exceeding them on the genres that I think they work with. 

 

 

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I have found they get a bit less genre specific the longer I listen to them.

 

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I could not agree more, the track music gave was great on these and Tool sounds amazing (my one and only metal album) I think once one gets adjusted to how these portray music the more genres one finds oneself listening to that would not seem to fit their sonic profile.

Heck, I was listening to Haircut 100 the other day, it sounded great through these! Mind, that early eighties pop was pretty well recorded as it was still the vinyl days!

Likewise, man you have gotta hear Prefab Sprout through these!

One soon forgets what they don't excel at due to simply the musicality of them. I would love it if they could stay in the ears better as there is so much music that I just want to get up and dance to listening through these!

( Warning... Image of old, white, fat man dancing.. Not a pretty sight! eek.gif)
post #1398 of 4600

Does anyone wear the Piano Forte's outdoors / on-the-go?  Or are they not durable enough for that purpose or too much ambient environmental noise?


Edited by Nesta - 4/25/13 at 9:14am
post #1399 of 4600
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Does anyone wear the Piano Forte's outdoors / on-the-go?  Or are they not durable enough for that purpose or too much ambient environmental noise?

They block little if any ambient noise. Doubt I would wear them outside on the go. With certain motions/positions they can/will fall out. I would also hate to have the beautiful finish scratched were they to hit pavement or other hard surfaces.

post #1400 of 4600
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

At the moment I find that hard to believe and have to disagree. Any music with electronic instruments and/or pace, my mind, unfortunately, goes back to Shotgunshane's analogy with AM radiosconfused_face_2.gif 

 

It is not a problem for me, as I had prior expectations, and it is exceeding them on the genres that I think they work with. 

 

 

 

 

I find this electronic track to sound exceptional on the IX's. The entire album (which falls under electronic genre) sounds great to me with them.

 

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I really love the sound from FAD Heaven VI using Ipod + Fostex HPP1 amp. However, i find Heaven VI is not that benefit from amped. From all my amps, i can really enjoy most with my HPP1 only. Other than that, i rather listen direct from ipod.

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I also find the PFIX less genre specific the more I listen (discover) them. Tycho Dive is great on them - great ambient electronic. Listening to Anathallo is an interesting treat on these guys too. In fact, stuff like Tycho may be my favorite stuff for the PFIX. 

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The PF-IX genre specific, you bet!

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I have found they get a bit less genre specific the longer I listen to them.

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I could not agree more, the track music gave was great on these and Tool sounds amazing (my one and only metal album) I think once one gets adjusted to how these portray music the more genres one finds oneself listening to that would not seem to fit their sonic profile.
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At the moment I find that hard to believe and have to disagree. Any music with electronic instruments and/or pace, my mind, unfortunately, goes back to Shotgunshane's analogy with AM radiosconfused_face_2.gif 

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I also find the PFIX less genre specific the more I listen (discover) them. Tycho Dive is great on them - great ambient electronic. Listening to Anathallo is an interesting treat on these guys too. In fact, stuff like Tycho may be my favorite stuff for the PFIX.



I think there are several issues at play here:

Initially we may well find some—if any!—music sounds pretty good/amazing with the PF IXs. As we get used to, or explore, these phones, some of the music that may have sounded off (or waaaay off) begins to sound different, less wrong/bad/weird and perhaps we may find ourselves quite surprised by the sudden sheer enjoyment of some music that just didn't sound right before — call it brain burn-in or acclimating to the sound, but there's more to it than that.

We generally overlook or ignore several aspects of our music listening sessions. Let's take mood, not just the mood happen to be in, but are we in tune with the music we're actually listening to at any given moment? Are we paying attention? Do we want to pay attention? Are we deriving anything from the music we're now listening to, or is it merely music being played in the background (regardless of volume levels) while we do other things or just sit on the tube or look out the bus/train window?

Volume levels — we don't always listen to the same volume levels — in quiet environments we tend to listen at lower volume levels than we normally do, specially if we haven't been exposed to too much noise already. We're generally more receptive before 'noise overload'.

Time of day and our ability to focus on, or digest, music, the details, instruments and other sonic aspects. This is not just about one's abilities or readiness to do so — often we want to focus on music but we just seem unable to — there's such a thing as trying to force music onto us—usually because we're used to it—or alternatively put, one can be said to listen to too much music on several/many occasions.

Then we have our specific sound preferences — if elevated sub-bass/mid-bass/treble, for instance, are paramount to one's taste (regardless of music genre), the rolled-off sub-bass & treble of the PF IXs will prove a big challenge no matter how 'great' the midcentric nature of this IEM may be. But, we may still get surprised even in these instances, "Hey, I was a bit of a bass/treble-head and now I'm quite enjoying the reduced (sub)bass/treble I'm hearing now and how this blends with the other freqs". However, these phones are not just about their frq response.

There's more even, but once again I'll say that regardless of all the above, the PF IXs are most definitely not for everybody.


Edited by music_4321 - 4/25/13 at 5:03pm
post #1404 of 4600
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

Initially we may well find some—if any!—music sounds pretty good/amazing with the PF IXs. As we get used to, or explore, these phones, some of the music that may have sounded off (or waaaay off) begins to sound different, less wrong/bad/weird and perhaps we may find ourselves quite surprised by the sudden sheer enjoyment of some music that just didn't sound right before — call it brain burn-in or acclimating to the sound, but there's more to it than that.

We generally overlook or ignore several aspects of our music listening sessions. Let's take mood, not just the mood happen to be in, but are we in tune with the music we're actually listening to at any given moment? Are we paying attention? Do we want to pay attention? Are we deriving anything from the music we're now listening to, or is it merely music being played in the background (regardless of volume levels) while we do other things or just sit on the tube or look out the bus/train window?

Volume levels — we don't always listen to the same volume levels — in quiet environments we tend to listen at lower volume levels than we normally do, specially if we haven't been exposed to too much noise already. We're generally more receptive before 'noise overload'.

Time of day and our ability to focus on, or digest, music, the details, instruments and other sonic aspects. This is not just about one's abilities or readiness to do so — often we want to focus on music but we just seem unable to — there's such a thing as trying to force music onto us—usually because we're used to it—or alternatively put, one can be said to listen to too much music on several/many occasions.

Then we have our specific sound preferences — if elevated sub-bass/mid-bass/treble, for instance, are paramount to one's taste (regardless of music genre), the rolled-off sub-bass & treble of the PF IXs will prove a big challenge no matter how 'great' the midcentric nature of this IEM may be. But, we may still get surprised even in these instances, "Hey, I was a bit of a bass/treble-head and now I'm quite enjoying the reduced (sub)bass/treble I'm hearing now and how this blends with the other freqs". However, these phones are not just about their frq response.

There's more even, but once again I'll say that regardless of all the above, the PF IXs are most definitely not for everybody.

 

 

Excellent post and agreed on all accounts. To rationalize the enthusiasm, from my perspective, when the IX's are on, they are ON. And when they are 'on', I find an emotional connection with music that is relatively unique and not easily reproduced by many playback systems*. This connection I find much more commonly experienced with live music. When this experience is experienced, to me it is a natural tendency to want to share with others. I suspect this may be a component of what is driving this thread and the enthusiasm behind those of us who 'get' the PF's.

 

On another note, my FI-BA-SS are here and my only problem is not enough listening time. The first time I plugged them in, I had a PF moment of 'OMG, just wasted $$$.' But turns out my seal wasn't good. Several listens since, with a proper seal, and I get the ying-yang description.

 

*both loudspeaker and headphone systems, including $ and $$$ systems.

post #1405 of 4600
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Does anyone wear the Piano Forte's outdoors / on-the-go?  Or are they not durable enough for that purpose or too much ambient environmental noise?

It didn't seem like the piano forte X I auditioned had a secure fit for moving around. They really seem designed for relaxing with a refined sound that doesn't disturb.
post #1406 of 4600
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

It didn't seem like the piano forte X I auditioned had a secure fit for moving around. They really seem designed for relaxing with a refined sound that doesn't disturb.

As above, the PF's are not designed for significant or serious moving around.
post #1407 of 4600

Hi everyone. On one hand, I am happy this thread is back to its 'clean' status. Otoh, I am a bit perplexed as posts have disappeared (including a post or two of mine). Not a terribly big deal to me, except I have a major issue with big brother type censorship. If anyone can explain to me rules on the forum that I might not understand (or have missed) that would lead to erasing posts, or if a mod wants to send me a PM with further explanation, it would be much appreciated.

post #1408 of 4600

woodcans,

 

While I do appreciate where you're coming from, and I feel the same way, lets get back to the music, the intellectual discourse, the friends that have come together here. 

 

I don't necessarily agree with mod's decisions all the time, but I do agree they generally make for a conducive and clean environment here that oasis such as this can be achieved and cherished. 

 

Let's let be for now. If you have further concerns, please ask a mod. 

 

Cheers my friend. 

 

Post Script: the PF is a sensitive phone, and while I only have a few millimeters of travel on the volume pot, the PF on the Liquid Glass with some Genelax Gold Lion 6922's is smooth as warm butter yet detailed like nothing I could have imagined. 


Edited by SoundFreaq - 4/25/13 at 7:11pm
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You know, I think the PF's are the most sensitive to minor volume changes ear or headphones I have ever owned.
To low and the music loses life and energy, to high and it becomes brittle and uninvolving but just right and it is heaven.

I think it must be something to do with the horn loading, I have experienced this with horn speakers, find the sweet spot and magic ensues.
post #1410 of 4600
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Originally Posted by SoundFreaq View Post

Post Script: the PF is a sensitive phone, and while I only have a few millimeters of travel on the volume pot, the PF on the Liquid Glass with some Genelax Gold Lion 6922's is smooth as warm butter yet detailed like nothing I could have imagined. 

 

I haven't yet tried to add an impedance adapter to the PFs, but considering the fact that their impedance response is quite linear, it might do nothing adverse to the sound and give you more headroom on the pot.

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