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Interesting and very well articulated thoughts. For me the problem here lies with the word "rationalizing". We often tend to rationalise things, practically everything, even in a world where rationalisation cannot easily be applied, or is pretty limiting: creativity. KW's ego & "delusions of grandeur" may well be too obvious and an undisputed fact, but this alone, to me, does not explain certain very creative elements found in "MBDTF", which, to me, are outside the world of egos, or lack thereof. However, these very human traits / flaws may mean that MBDTF was a one-off, at least a one-off in a creative sense, though not necessarily in the commercial (read: good sales) sense.

 

 

I'll certainly agree to that. Hey, with a fickle Kim K. in the mix, maybe a break up will result in the dissolution of his ego and lead to his recording of an even better album :P

 

 


 

 

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If by any chance you do end up exploring the music of PG, and FWIW, my personal favourites are his 3rd and 4th albums (1980 & 1982), the latter (my all-time favourite PG album) released 4 years before the hugely successful (at the time) "So" album (1986). It took years for the penny to drop and for me "to get" his 2nd album (1978), his most raw, less polished, and least commercially successful album (the producer of the album was—thankfully—hugely responsible for this).

I appreciate it. I'm not sure whether I've encountered Gabriel's work in the past before but the two songs you've linked to have got my attention. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Idsynchrono, I'll respond to your post in more detail at a later stage. FYI, one of my favourite albums last year was "Tokyo Collection" by Tokyo Jihen (the only album I've enjoyed by the band, btw)

 

 

Unfortunately, that one's not available on Spotify or iTunes. Any idea where I can get to listen to it?

 

 

 
As a pretty big SR fan (in that I own pretty much everything she's ever put out) I have to admit I'm not much of a Jihen fan outside of their album Adult and a handful of songs from Sports and Dai-Hakken. I also really dislike their album Variety aside from the single OSCA. With that said, Karuki Zamen Kuri no Hana is really far removed from the (commercialized) sound of Jihen, and is practically an outlier as far as her discography goes. I haven't really ever heard anything that's reminded me of it since its release, but I'd say it has more in common with something like Arcade Fire's Funeral or The Flaming Lips' Soft Bulletin or Embryonic than anything Tokyo Jihen has done. I'm actually really bummed that she hasn't ever released anything in the same vein as KZK (outside of Heisei Fuzoku anyway, but that's basically a retread of her old material orchestrated by Saito Neko), and found her solo career to be far more interesting and sonically daring than the commercially safe sound of TJ. 
 
I bought the album about a decade ago off of YesAsia actually... hmmm... I take it you're located in EU? Strangely enough, I can find it as a digital album on iTunes Ireland and Amazon.co.uk of all places. 
 
 
Please PM me if you can't procure it through these means 

 

 

 

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Things do take time, sometimes an unnecessarily long time, but sometimes it's a very good a good thing they take so long, when perhaps it is not only the right time for us to "get it", but are perhaps more mature to appreciate such music / art and maybe even do something with and/or about it.

 

 

Bingo. There were a lot of albums I came across at a younger age that I never developed an appreciation for until years and years later. I had deemed them either "too weird" or "too boring" as a youngster. Beck's Sea Change was one such album. The 19 year old me didn't know how to reconcile this "yawning" album with the free wheeling Beck of Odelay, I look back at it now and just shake my head of course :l 

 

 

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Previously posted video and picture... (Click to show)

 

Speaking of "in church" recordings, here's another one that's being scoffed at as mindless new age by some, but actually strikes a deep chord in me when I'm in the right mood.

"Officium", a collaboration between Norwegian saxophonist Jan Garbarek and the British Hilliard Ensemble, recorded in the Austrian monastery of St. Gerold back in 1994:

 

 

 

 

Wow James, thanks for your introduction to Jan Garbarek.  I love this (above)!

 

Check out the drummer who gets into a solo at about the 24:30 mark in this video:

 


Edited by zilch0md - 4/13/13 at 3:11pm
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And since we're recommending stuff, you ought to check out Shiina Ringo's concept album "Karuki, Samen, Kuri no Hana" (Chlorine, Semen, Chestnut Flower) sometime. I can't say with total conviction that you'd enjoy it, but that you'd at least perhaps find it interesting. It's not particularly well recorded as I understand Shiina recorded a large amount of the instruments on a MacBook in her home to save on production costs, but it's pretty much a distillation of her ego into 44 minutes and 44 seconds, and is definitely one of my all time favorite albums. (If you do seek it out, try to find the album as a whole rather than listening to individual songs, as there is a definite and deliberate flow to it)

 

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I bought the album about a decade ago off of YesAsia actually... hmmm... I take it you're located in EU? Strangely enough, I can find it as a digital album on iTunes Ireland and Amazon.co.uk of all places. 
 
 
Please PM me if you can't procure it through these means 

 

I listened to all 30-second clips off the Amazon UK link you provided, enough for me to download the whole album. Have had one proper listen to all 11 tracks now and I have to agree that although it's not a great recording, it's indeed an excellent album musically, worth every penny! And certainly much more interesting musically than Tokyo Jihen and even their "Tokyo Collection"album. Thanks for recommending it!

Now, as I noted earlier, Tokyo Jihen ain't exactly my cup of tea, but "Tokyo Collection" is, on the whole, a very, very album, particularly the tracks Fukushuu -Vengeance-, O.S.C.A, A separation, Pinocchio & Yumenoato, which I think are easily worth the price of admission — brilliant singing, excellent music and pretty decent musicianship (shame the album's sonics aren't always that good, primarily lacking in dynamics).

Now, do yourself a favour and grab yourself a copy of "No Pussyfooting" and/or "Evening Star" and maybe thank me in 2, 5, 10 or 20 years' time.  ;)

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I listened to all 30-second clips off the Amazon UK link you provided, enough for me to download the whole album. Have had one proper listen to all 11 tracks now and I have to agree that although it's not a great recording, it's indeed an excellent album musically, worth every penny! And certainly much more interesting musically than Tokyo Jihen and even their "Tokyo Collection"album. Thanks for recommending it!


Now, as I noted earlier, Tokyo Jihen ain't exactly my cup of tea, but "Tokyo Collection" is, on the whole, a very, very album, particularly the tracks Fukushuu -Vengeance-, O.S.C.A, A separation, Pinocchio & Yumenoato, which I think are easily worth the price of admission — brilliant singing, excellent music and pretty decent musicianship (shame the album's sonics aren't always that good, primarily lacking in dynamics).


Now, do yourself a favour and grab yourself a copy of "No Pussyfooting" and/or "Evening Star" and maybe thank me in 2, 5, 10 or 20 years' time.  wink.gif

Fantastic my friend smily_headphones1.gif

I've gotten hundreds of listens in over the years and it keeps delivering for me. I purchased it on vinyl as well, hoping that the vinyl master would be substantially clearer than the CD. I don't have access to a turntable however so I can't verify its sound quality. Contacted LFF about transferring the vinyl to digital but he never replied :/

And yeah, OSCA and Yume no Ato are two of my favorite songs from TJ. I don't have Tokyo Collection but I own all the respective albums from which the songs on that album originate. I own most of their concert DVDs as well and TJ do put on a very nice live show, Shiina's live vocals are always outstanding, especially on her live show Ringo Expo which is fully orchestrated by violinist/conductor Saito Neko and features a number of songs from Karuki Zamen. Heisei Fuzoku is also well worth picking up IMO. It features a number of songs from KZK along with a couple of brilliant new compositions of "Gamble" and the stunning "Hatsukoi Shoujo", I liken the album to a sort of KZK 1.5. Not as brilliant, but a treat for Shiina's fans.

And finally, albums noted. I'll revisit this thread after I've gotten some time with "No Pussyfooting"/"Evening Star"

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled FAD talk smily_headphones1.gif
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Just a little bit of updates regarding Pandora series

 

http://kinocomaitake.blog135.fc2.com/blog-entry-1043.html

 

PANDORA X
Pricing TBD

PANDORA VI
60,000 yen

PANDORA V
50,000 yen

PANDORA IV
40,000 yen

PANDORA III
30,000 yen

 

http://kinocomaitake.blog135.fc2.com/blog-entry-1045.html

 

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Edited by seeteeyou - 4/15/13 at 5:41pm
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I just put Rage Against the Machine's 20th Anniversary remaster on the Tera to see how the PFIX's handled some heavier rock. Let me tell you they handled it like I've never heard it before. Morello's guitar texture, speed, placement and clarity were just outstanding. I am familiar with this recording and there were several subtle and a few not-so-subtle nuances that I have never heard before. Although there is no sub-bass, the upper bass was certainly enough for me and the bass guitar sound was excellent. Same for the vocals, excellent dynamics, texture, very, very 'live' sounding. I was planning on a short test listen but couldn't turn it off and listened from start to finish. I even pretended like I heard what my kids were saying to me....very_evil_smiley.gif

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I just put Rage Against the Machine's 20th Anniversary remaster on the Tera to see how the PFIX's handled some heavier rock. Let me tell you they handled it like I've never heard it before. Morello's guitar texture, speed, placement and clarity were just outstanding. I am familiar with this recording and there were several subtle and a few not-so-subtle nuances that I have never heard before. Although there is no sub-bass, the upper bass was certainly enough for me and the bass guitar sound was excellent. Same for the vocals, excellent dynamics, texture, very, very 'live' sounding. I was planning on a short test listen but couldn't turn it off and listened from start to finish. I even pretended like I heard what my kids were saying to me....very_evil_smiley.gif

I love that album - in fact it is one of the first discs I play when I get a new pair of cans - in order to determine how they handle tight, punchy bass notes. My question is, is there enough of a difference in the new remaster to warrant purchase? The original recording (and my lossless version on the computer) is pretty damned dynamic already. Thanks.

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Synchronicity, Idsynchrono, FI-BA-SS & The (audio) Police.

So, I download Idsynchrono's truly excellent album recommendation, listen to the whole thing with the mighty HD800s and love the album.

Later in the day, a very nice fellow HF'er contacts me to ask me a question about the FI-BA-SS & FitEar F111. That email leads me to try my new brilliant download with the FI-BA-SS, a phone I'd hardly used for several months (2.5 months of almost exclusive HD800 use, prior to that TP + IE800 & HD600, and before that the one and only PF IX). To cut a long story short, I cannot and won't let the FI-BA-SS go, certainly not for a while, at least. So, I listened to Idsynchrono's brilliant album recommendation on the FI-BA-SS and simply loved what I heard. A LOT. What a great phone the FI-BA-SS is, and what a fine album "Karuki Zahmen Kuri no Hana -Kalk Samen Chestnut Flower" is.

Confession time: When I got my FI-BA-SS last year, I was so mightily impressed that within days I ordered a second pair — part of me knew this phone would not be available in the future and I wanted to have a backup / second pair — huge luxury, I know. When I then got the pretty unique PF IX and that then occupied most of my eartime for quite sometime, I decided to sell my second FI-BA-SS pair, which I sold during my 6-month absence.

During that absence I also sold my F111 — I'll be brief: let's just say that 8-9 out of 10 times I reached for the FI-BA-SS instead of the F111. The F111 may show a more 'correct' FR graph than the FI-BA-SS— the former apparently having an (almost) identical FR as the revered Etymotic ER-4S. These ears find the FI-BA-SS render music more realistically, and, although at first I thought the F111 would be stiff competition for the FI-BA-SS, my ears ultimately said this was not really the case.

This leads me to very briefly mention a discussion a good friend and I have been having about FR graphs for headphones and IEMs. Seems, on the whole, we share the view that said graphs for IEMs are somewhat not as accurate as they're made out to be, and possibly rather misleading for those who tend to rely on said graphs.

Now, back to Idsynchrono's great album recommendation: I'm quite convinced that if this album had better sonics & had been produced 'properly', some of the music—the real music—would have been compromised.

 


Edited by music_4321 - 4/14/13 at 2:54pm
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Synchronicity, Idsynchrono, FI-BA-SS & The (audio) Police...

Brilliant post Music! I've PMed you to further prevent cluttering up this thread :)

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Just a little bit of updates regarding Pandora series

 

Thanks for posting this.

 

From a purely aesthetic standpoint, I'm a little disappointed they've ditched the design of the non-working concept on display in Hong Kong. It's probably for the best however as it looked just as heavy and uncomfortable as the Muramasa, and the goal of the Pandora line was to make headphones that people could actually afford and wear without injuring themselves.

 

Judging from the blurry photos it looks more or less like a scaled down Muramasa, the cups functioning as a single piece now rather than employing a floating pivot mechanism. The headband is mercifully padded now rather than a single piece of formed metal. Seems like the cabling is also jacketed in rubber and non-detachable like the early prototypes of the Muramasa, though it's a little hard to tell from what is essentially a photograph of a photograph. At any rate I expect it to be a 1/4" or 1/8" termination rather than the dual 3-pin XLRs from the Muramasa which are separated the entire length to the headphones (not bundled together below a y-split).

 

Will be interesting to hear how these compare to the Muramasa. The latter has an intriguing sound, but the absolutely abysmal ergonomics made it too painful to wear to enjoy.

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I remember reading that one of the reasons for the PF series' high price was the very high reject ratio. Maybe we now know what happens to all those QC rejects....
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Thanks for posting this.

 

No problem. I always thought that price tag of Muramasa should have included a ticket to Shaolin Temple in Taiwan

 

 

IMHO that's the only way to provide decent customer service when they're charging each lucky buyer $8,000 back then. But they might have to face their share of challenges with honoring the warranty after someone has completed the training. Headband itself could be vulnerable to improper care of proud owners who might have forgotten about their unparalleled strength.

 

Even this blogger recommended another form of training as mentioned here:

 

http://kinocomaitake.blog135.fc2.com/blog-entry-1079.html

 

Most likely there will be demo units of Pandora X available in Hong Kong and I might think about inviting one of those experienced Shaolin Masters to test the durability of that particular model.

 

Given the weight of such monster, how long would those headphone cables last for?

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I will be joining this club having just bought a pair of the PF IX. it has been a year since I first considered a pair of the FAD PFs.

 

At the moment, a little apprehensive but am defintely looking forward to delivery later this week, and wondering whether their idiosyncratic signature suits me...I am sure it will be an interesting experiencenormal_smile%20.gif

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If I have the adagio 3 , am I in this club? looking forward to buying the heaven 4/6 too

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If I have the adagio 3 , am I in this club? looking forward to buying the heaven 4/6 too

 

I have them too, the Adagio 3regular_smile%20.gif

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