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post #1171 of 4526
Thanks so much MF for your thoughts on the full sized headphones. I am glad it is not just me with those feelings about the LCD's. Ignorance is bliss and if I had never heard the PF's I would still be enjoying the LCD's to this day! I will explore the options you have given, I really appreciate your help.

As to the measurements well I think those of us with the PF's knew all along they would not measure great and though I feel measurements obviously have a part to play they are not the end story and as is born out in the chaps thoughts the PF's are never going to be his sort of listening device and the inadequacies he mentions, faults and design are exactly why people like me love the sound they make!

I am biased though, As some may know I have a very strong dislike of the SS forum (aptly named!) as the folks who post there and who seem to love to demolish the emotional component of this hobby ( and I return to my old chestnut, music is emotion, not science!) with their graphs and opinions. The reason I am against so much opinion being based upon measurements is that a measurement tells only a tenth of the picture I feel. Mickey Fremer has it right with his thoughts about measurements, DBT's and ABX's I feel.

The only thing they prove which is a positive for me is that most people are human beings with soul and emotion and so are fallible. I learnt late in life that it is that fallibility where 95% of life's magic lay and I would rather live in a state of delusion than one of absolute fact any day!

So I will continue to be delusional and passionate about my love of the PF's. My feelings are open so folks can make adjustments on my thoughts of them to bring it closer to the SS viewpoints but for me these are the real deal and at last not since the Orpheus am I emotionally engaged on all levels once more with music through headphones.
post #1172 of 4526
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

While I appreciate their bothering to provide measurements, I think their accompanying impressions are misguided in implying FAD is pulling some kind of hoax. FAD very much tuned these to sound this way on purpose, and they're actually extremely skilled in tuning IEMs. The entirely point of these IEMs---why they exist---is FAD's pursuit of a specific "vintage" sound that is popular among some Japanese niche consumers. Incidentally, FAD also offers balanced armatures which are tuned to suit the more traditional tastes of audiophiles. Their BAs have been measured as well and are much less funky looking in that regard.

 

Really I'm all for measurements, as I think they have an important place. They provide part of the picture which is useful as a countermeasure against runaway hype or as a common ground for comparison and discussion. Based on our own tastes and reference points we can formulate a rudimentary opinion based on measurements, but ultimately it's an opinion which speaks to those tastes specifically. In that sense, I think there's a tendency to get too carried away when it comes to passing judgment based on measurements. For instance there are plenty of amplifiers which measure worse but sound a lot better (to me) than others.

 

Yep, I've already told Rin that he has my sympathy for trying to tweak the PF VIII to a halfway "correct" sound signature, but that I don't think any PF owners will actually want to go along with these mods. You'd probably not guess from his matter-of-fact analysis, but he's got quite a sense of humor and replied that "listening to PF is like eating a surströmming of Sweden or Sauerkraut of Germany, and once you get the acquired taste, you can never part with it."

 

His personal conclusions regarding FAD remind me a bit of dfkt's earlier take on the 1601s and are easily understandable from an engineer's no-nonsense point of view, even though I don't share them. I probably wouldn't go so far as to argue that FAD are "extremely skilled" in tuning IEMs, but I'd completely concur that they definitely know very well what they're doing.


Edited by james444 - 3/22/13 at 8:19am
post #1173 of 4526
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post

I have a question and have a feeling Muppet Face will probably have the answer though I would love to hear from others. What would a be a good full sized headphone that has similar traits to my IX's?

I have tried time and time again to listen to my LCD' s but now they just seem grainy and uninvolving in comparison to the PF's, they just sound like HiFi now where as for me the PF's sound like music.

Any ideas? I am going to be selling my LCD's, Blackbird and CLAS soon to fund this.

My amp drives headphones up to 120ohm so that is a limit I know that takes out Sennheisers. I have been looking at the beyer T70p the Audio Technica wood model is also interesting though I don't know if either of these sound how I want them too having not heard them.

Another one that keeps popping into my head is the big wooden JVC's though I cannot remember their name!

Hi Ian 

I am agree with Muppetface that TH 900 is the closest SQ to your Fad PF IX

next level is Stax sr 007 mk2 and sr 009

post #1174 of 4526
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post

Hi Ian 

I am agree with Muppetface that TH 900 is the closest SQ to your Fad PF IX

next level is Stax sr 007 mk2 and sr 009

 

Ouch!   redface.gif

post #1175 of 4526
Well. A series of events have led to a replacement for the LCD's and after listening for quite some time before purchase I feel I have found pretty much what I was looking for as a full sized version of the PF's (to my ears!)

I was close to one of my local HiFi stores today, popped in between appointments to kill time and there right in front of me were a pair of Beyerdynamic T5P's on sale.. Very happy with the purchase and the LCD's have gone to a good home as well.
post #1176 of 4526
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post

Well. A series of events have led to a replacement for the LCD's and after listening for quite some time before purchase I feel I have found pretty much what I was looking for as a full sized version of the PF's (to my ears!)

I was close to one of my local HiFi stores today, popped in between appointments to kill time and there right in front of me were a pair of Beyerdynamic T5P's on sale.. Very happy with the purchase and the LCD's have gone to a good home as well.

 

Wow!   I've never heard the T5P, but wouldn't have guessed that it would be in the running, for you.   I'm happy, of course, that you've found a full-size headphone you like.  The T5P is surely well-respected.  Now I want to hear them...

 

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post #1177 of 4526
Got em for a steal as well Mike. They were on sale for $899!
post #1178 of 4526

Awesome!  You did well!  biggrin.gif

post #1179 of 4526

I just recieved my Heaven S today courtesy of Dimitry at Musica acoustics, really great service, i'm just enjoying giving them my first couple of hours of listening time.


Edited by noxa - 3/28/13 at 12:06pm
post #1180 of 4526
glad your got them and Dimitri is great eh. Its funny, I revisited my S's the other day and forgot how open sounding they are. I must admit I do not feel any treble harshness but a friend of mine who listened did. Just individual tastes.

I would listen to mine more except they are gold plated brass and the plating is not that thick and where it has worn through I get bass metal allergies.
post #1181 of 4526

I've only been listening for a very short time but they're exactly what i imagined them to sound like. I used to think i was really sensitive to treble but then i started to feel that i wanted a bit more bite and sparkle in the treble and these definately have that, but i can imagine it being a bit too much for some, i guess that's one advantage/disadvantage to the brass enclosure.

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here are some comments from e-earphone about Heaven V

 

Earphone is plenty of luxury of shaving brass. Dull chrome color is put out anything good taste. SHIBUI! Cool! Thus, the appeal of brass comes through acutely. Immersive and stereoscopic live almost like being at the venue by the use of brass BODY specialties. Where are you now in your place and its atmosphere of cheer and listen to something sound LIVE! ? I will get the illusion I. Since word of surprise is that they break-in single BA this. I enjoyed every last drop of the last lingering after catching. There is plenty powerful core is solid because the volume of the bass, but fewer feel. Silky vocals and natural high-frequency also very natural. I do not get tired to listen because there is no strange habit.

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Speaking of brass shaving Fainal Audio Design! It is also well decorated with new products here. Or rather traditional Final regard quality, high-frequency Kana is alive and well relaxed and sparkling. Prospect of great sound anyway. BAM also evolved mechanisms that have been adopted from the previous, and also a little different Fainal product is so far, I will shake your heart will be spread gently to mid-high range. Where I would not completely lost to the sound reproduction is one where a little unfortunate, and listen to music with strong low-frequency. I think I heard the result of their chosen songs sound pretty big emphasis on bass was so so, originally it a versatile type that do not just choose a song.

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Black chrome finish. It does not change the housing by embezzling unlike "heaven V Aging", here there is a sense of quality that was very different again in a calm tone. Slightly less in the amount of low frequency, with respect to the sound, the sound I'm very light compared to the model "heaven V Aging" of another. Is especially clear mid-high range sounds. I also felt a slight nuances dry crisp sound sound good, sharpness is, and also it firm. Such as vocals, some people might feel stuck in and pronunciation of Sa line, it is in addition and subtraction exquisite, it feels as if you are listening to a voice through a microphone in live venues if compared you. It is recommended that "heaven V" if seeking a clear.

 

I would love to hear some comparisons to Heaven IV and VI.

 
post #1183 of 4526

So the Heaven V and Heaven V Aging are supposed to be tuned noticeably different, with the former having less bass emphasis and the latter having more?

 

That's really surprising to me, as FAD's website uses the exact same description to describe the sound of both. It's mostly marketing-speak anyway, but it still suggests FAD is seeing this more as a cosmetic difference. I mean the housing is exactly the same on the inside, it's just the external finish that differs, so it would be FAD's tuning it to be purposefully different. The different finishes on the Heaven VI sound the same.

 

The guys at e-earphones are cool, but color me skeptical. Bass response in IEMs is very dependent on insertion and tip selection.

post #1184 of 4526
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post

So the Heaven V and Heaven V Aging are supposed to be tuned noticeably different, with the former having less bass emphasis and the latter having more?

 

That's really surprising to me, as FAD's website uses the exact same description to describe the sound of both. It's mostly marketing-speak anyway, but it still suggests FAD is seeing this more as a cosmetic difference. I mean the housing is exactly the same on the inside, it's just the external finish that differs, so it would be FAD's tuning it to be purposefully different. The different finishes on the Heaven VI sound the same.

 

The guys at e-earphones are cool, but color me skeptical. Bass response in IEMs is very dependent on insertion and tip selection.

 

Yeah, it's doubtful that the two would sound different, as they'd probably add a new model number if that were the case. This is more like this X-G and X-CC, methinks.

post #1185 of 4526

I was surfing Musica Acoustic's site and they have put their Final Audio Design's IEMs on sale. Very tempting ......http://www.musicaacoustics.com/wp/category/hot-news/

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