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Is that bubble wrap?

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No. (Far from it). wink.gif
Edited by woodcans - 10/15/13 at 3:25am
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I have a bad itch for Final Audio Design Piano Forte IX, I just do not like the risk of spending another 1K on a gear this alien. 

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This morning I rekindled a fondness for my 1601 models. There's just something honest about them, despite the signature being what I consider a "boutique signature." I think this stems from my having listened to nothing but multi-BA CIEMs for a while. While these types of devices can perform exceedingly well in some areas (resolution, extension, dynamics), I think FAD's single-driver BAs and especially their dynamic models like the 1601s and 1602s / PFs have a cohesiveness to their sound.

 

Like I said in my impressions of the Heaven V for Musica Acoustics, I feel as though FAD really tries to capture the entire context behind 'listening' --- emphasizing the experience of doing so itself --- in their art form. With FAD, it's the whole package: the aesthetics of the various metals aren't just for show, but they impact the sound directly, one artform interacting with another (ie. music). The music is inseparable from the device transmitting it. Both interacting with the listener, soliciting a strong emotional response. The transmission is inseparable from the listener.

 

Incidentally, I also have a pair of the Cardas Ear Mirrors now. They're very pretty, very solid. The cable however is an ergonomic disaster: it's enormous, doesn't bend easily, and its weight pulls the earpieces out of your ears when you move too much. They fit more like a traditional IEM versus the 1601s / 1602s however, so it kind of evens out in the end with both a little difficult for me to keep in position. Sonically, their overall tonal balance through the mids and highs seems similar to me, though there is a definite bass emphasis on the Cardas that the FADs don't have. Whether this is a good or bad thing is obviously a matter of taste, though personally I find the massive bass a bit obnoxious on certain tracks. The timbre is also more sophisticated on the FADs, and their midrange is more musically expressive. The second biggest difference for me in how these handle spatial reproduction. Sense of space on the FADs is frankly superior. The Ear Mirrors are very good at conveying left and right tracking and have a wide-ish stage, but sound very flat to me. I'm honestly a little confused over some early impressions (on Stereophile maybe?) that cited them as having amazing holographic presentation. Yes, they do give you an 'out of head' type of presentation, but everything that's out there seems flat. It's the 'shooting gallery effect' as I call it. Like a bunch of cutouts. More problematic still however is the sense of scale. Everything just sounds small on the Ear Mirrors. The FADs on the other hand give a much better sense of depth and size.

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I can't wait for the sales of Pandora Hope 6. I missed the opportunity to listen it at the Mook Fest in Singapore and the KLAV show in Kuala Lumpur. Heard that it's coming soon late October/early November.

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Thanks for your thoughts Muppet. I was considering a pair of the Cardas for out and about use as I thought there would be some similarities but the deciding factor against for me is what they are made of. I just know that the first tiny chip will allow the base metal to be exposed and then cause an allergic reaction in my ear. If they were SS it would be a different matter.. Still, I have my eyes on something else now for out and about!
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Originally Posted by autumnholy View Post

I can't wait for the sales of Pandora Hope 6. I missed the opportunity to listen it at the Mook Fest in Singapore and the KLAV show in Kuala Lumpur. Heard that it's coming soon late October/early November.

+1

By the way, has anyone tried the fit yet? I'm in search of a headphone that has enought depth for my ears.

Sadly, the TH900 s were too shallow for me. If that gives a perspective
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Originally Posted by MuppetFace View Post
 

This morning I rekindled a fondness for my 1601 models. There's just something honest about them, despite the signature being what I consider a "boutique signature." I think this stems from my having listened to nothing but multi-BA CIEMs for a while. While these types of devices can perform exceedingly well in some areas (resolution, extension, dynamics), I think FAD's single-driver BAs and especially their dynamic models like the 1601s and 1602s / PFs have a cohesiveness to their sound.

 

Like I said in my impressions of the Heaven V for Musica Acoustics, I feel as though FAD really tries to capture the entire context behind 'listening' --- emphasizing the experience of doing so itself --- in their art form. With FAD, it's the whole package: the aesthetics of the various metals aren't just for show, but they impact the sound directly, one artform interacting with another (ie. music). The music is inseparable from the device transmitting it. Both interacting with the listener, soliciting a strong emotional response. The transmission is inseparable from the listener.

 

Incidentally, I also have a pair of the Cardas Ear Mirrors now. They're very pretty, very solid. The cable however is an ergonomic disaster: it's enormous, doesn't bend easily, and its weight pulls the earpieces out of your ears when you move too much. They fit more like a traditional IEM versus the 1601s / 1602s however, so it kind of evens out in the end with both a little difficult for me to keep in position. Sonically, their overall tonal balance through the mids and highs seems similar to me, though there is a definite bass emphasis on the Cardas that the FADs don't have. Whether this is a good or bad thing is obviously a matter of taste, though personally I find the massive bass a bit obnoxious on certain tracks. The timbre is also more sophisticated on the FADs, and their midrange is more musically expressive. The second biggest difference for me in how these handle spatial reproduction. Sense of space on the FADs is frankly superior. The Ear Mirrors are very good at conveying left and right tracking and have a wide-ish stage, but sound very flat to me. I'm honestly a little confused over some early impressions (on Stereophile maybe?) that cited them as having amazing holographic presentation. Yes, they do give you an 'out of head' type of presentation, but everything that's out there seems flat. It's the 'shooting gallery effect' as I call it. Like a bunch of cutouts. More problematic still however is the sense of scale. Everything just sounds small on the Ear Mirrors. The FADs on the other hand give a much better sense of depth and size.

 

I agree with your impressions of the Cardas vs the FAD's, the Ear Mirrors biggest drawback in my book is the cable. Really, what were they thinking...

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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

+1

By the way, has anyone tried the fit yet? I'm in search of a headphone that has enought depth for my ears.

Sadly, the TH900 s were too shallow for me. If that gives a perspective

First the IX was kinda loose in your ears and now this? Ginormous ears confirmed.
Really enjoy the IX for its beautiful appearance and idiosyncratic sig, but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to let the PF go for the second time as I just can't get a decent fit with them. I love the unusual juxtaposing of intimate and spacious elements in their soundstage; a very unique presentation indeed. I will also take the chance to thank and blame Muzak for turnin me onto this phone wink.gif
Edited by Idsynchrono_24 - 10/17/13 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by autumnholy View Post
 

I can't wait for the sales of Pandora Hope 6. I missed the opportunity to listen it at the Mook Fest in Singapore and the KLAV show in Kuala Lumpur. Heard that it's coming soon late October/early November.

 

Also +1 to this, preparing to sell most of my headphones to fund it as soon as it comes out.

 

Something interesting I saw in the RMAF walkthrough video by AudioHead on YouTube, there's now a Pandora Hope VIII in addition to the VI? I saw it listed on the Dutch Final Audio site as well. Now I don't know if I should wait for news on the VIII before getting the VI right away.

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If FAD decided to release Pandora 8 I'll rage. LOL. heard that it'd be at least 1 years before Pandora 8 could be released. because for Pandora 6 and 4, it takes them at least 2 years IINM.

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If that's the case, then I'll just "settle" for the Pandora VI, can't wait any longer lol. I have a feeling that the Pandora VIII will be used to fill the void between the $700 Pandora VI and the >$3000 Pandora X, and the likely price will be way out of my reach  =/

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Oh wow, the Pandora is still an actual thing? Does it still have that alleged, death clamp of doom? Do we know the release date?
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

First the IX was kinda loose in your ears and now this? Ginormous ears confirmed.
Really enjoy the IX for its beautiful appearance and idiosyncratic sig, but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to let the PF go for the second time as I just can't get a decent fit with them. I love the unusual juxtaposing of intimate and spacious elements in their soundstage; a very unique presentation indeed. I will also take the chance to thank and blame Muzak for turnin me onto this phone wink.gif

Well my ears jut out more than most. Ear canal wise they're average. I just hate how my ears aren't flat. It's been a pain for choosing headphones.
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Originally Posted by Idsynchrono_24 View Post

Does it still have that alleged, death clamp of doom?

 

I suspect you might be thinking of the Muramasa, FAD's ill-fated first headphone.

 

Which is indeed the most uncomfortable headphone I've ever worn by a long, long shot.

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