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Well the old Heaven series had similar distortion despite all the different housing materials that were used. Think it has to do more with the driver. Distortion is a big factor of what generates what we perceive as timbre, that comparison doesn't apply as IEMs are trying to generate a signal rather than creating a new one.Well doing the latter can be left more to subjective evaluation, 3rd order harmonics make it's sound sharper, seem almost sped up IME, Etymotics also have this to a lesser extent. Personally a distortion-less IEM like the RE400 has a much more natural timbre as IEMs with high distortion can make certain instruments sound kind of wrong, though sometimes that colored timbre makes certain other instruments seem more euphoric, but this makes things more specialized. 

Really interesting. I'll be thinking about this when I hear the RE-400 next week.
post #2462 of 4114
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Whether that timbre/resonance/distortion from the Heaven is desirable would be a matter of taste. With the VI, I think that it is.

 

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Well doing the latter can be left more to subjective evaluation, 3rd order harmonics make it's sound sharper, seem almost sped up IME, 

 

I took physics too. I understand how waves work. How they can break down and amplify themselves. 

 

I think whatever distortion is left in the Heaven VI after a long day at work sounds just right to my ears. In fact, I would crown Final Audio Design as the distortion kings. It's like finding the Higgs Boson. It's small, but when you find it, your whole world comes together. 

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I took physics too. I understand how waves work. How they can break down and amplify themselves. 

I think whatever distortion is left in the Heaven VI after a long day at work sounds just right to my ears. In fact, I would crown Final Audio Design as the distortion kings. It's like finding the Higgs Boson. It's small, but when you find it, your whole world comes together. 

I don't think his comment was argumentative. I forgot most of physics class so it helped me frown.gif

I really just wanted to comment on your prose being pretty lol.
post #2464 of 4114
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

that comparison doesn't apply as IEMs are trying to generate a signal rather than creating a new one...

 

Your conclusion is actually an assumption. It tells us what you like. My IEMs definitely are altering the signal. If I didn't think that way, i would not buy FAD.

 

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Personally a distortion-less IEM like the RE400 has a much more natural timbre as IEMs with high distortion can make certain instruments sound kind of wrong, though sometimes that colored timbre makes certain other instruments seem more euphoric, but this makes things more specialized. 

 

Your commentary here is more genuine. It is your personal taste, i.e. the ER4. Such a person will not like FAD. 

post #2465 of 4114
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Originally Posted by cooperpwc View Post

 

Your conclusion is actually an assumption. It tells us what you like. My IEMs definitely are altering the signal. If I didn't think that way, i would not buy FAD.

 

 

Your commentary here is more genuine. It is your personal taste, i.e. the ER4. Such a person will not like FAD. 

No, IEMs, headphones, speakers, etc.are extracting information, not solely trying to create an own sound, thus the comparison made earlier didn't apply. There's nothing wrong with altering a signal, it's just a compromise, which will just make it more specialized. I actually mentioned how the ER4 and FAD are similar in distortion aspects,it's the RE400 that differs. It's very clear I'm a purist, so by my criteria, the FAD loses points here, but I also recognize it's part of their tuning, which I found euphoric in specific matters with the old Heaven series, but becomes less versatile. FAD improved their tonality a lot, so really looking forward to hearing the Heaven V-A


Edited by Inks - 6/20/13 at 1:15am
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Inks, there is no point in our going around in circles on this. Actually I generally like your post above. I just want to say that when you draw this hard line...

 

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No, IEMs, headphones, speakers, etc.are extracting information, not solely trying to create an own sound, thus the comparison made earlier didn't apply...

 

that reflects your priorities. It is personal taste so it indeed does not apply for you. Fair enough. And yet there is a lot of activity in the headphone world, particularly IEMs, from those and to those for whom it does apply. An example is the Ocharaku Flat4-KAEDA. That maple chamber is nothing if not a resonance creator. It may not appeal to you but it does to others.

 

Okay, that is my final word on this and I will allow you yours then bite my lip.  :-)

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Inks, there is no point in our going around in circles on this. Actually I generally like your post above. I just want to say that when you draw this hard line...

 

 

that reflects your priorities. It is personal taste so it indeed does not apply for you. Fair enough. And yet there is a lot of activity in the headphone world, particularly IEMs, from those and to those for whom it does apply. An example is the Ocharaku Flat4-KAEDA. That maple chamber is nothing if not a resonance creator. It may not appeal to you but it does to others.

 

Okay, that is my final word on this and I will allow you yours then bite my lip.  :-)

Thing is, if headphones aren't trying to extract information where is the fidelity coming from? why get high-bitrate songs if that's the case? Just critiquing the example used. What FAD is doing with their new Heavens is having a more flat tonal balance but keeping the distortion high, which I guess it's in their taste, I already pointed my criteria on that, regardless they're making progress and so their new Heaven series is actually quite interesting. 
 
It's not proven the KAEDA's maple is a resonant creator, if anything, it may decrease distortion, avoid resonance, it will depend on implementation. 

Edited by Inks - 6/20/13 at 2:56am
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Hmm Heaven V Aging sounds flat with a bass boost. I don't like the midbass but its accompanied by a nice euphoric subbass, so ill take that compromise.
Soundstage and imaging sound nothing special, though good.

It falls apart at high volumes though, distortion takes its toll.
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I hope you all like this one. 

 

 

 


Edited by woodcans - 6/20/13 at 7:25pm
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Stunning woodcans, as per usual, I love the contrast of blue against gold.
post #2471 of 4114
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

Soundstage and imaging sound nothing special, though good.

 

I wonder whether soundstage has possibly taken a hit, when going from a vented to an unvented design with the new Heaven series.

 

I've been using the older Heaven A more frequently lately and their soundstage is simply amazing, much more out-of-head than with my Sony XBA-3 for example.

 

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I hope you all like this one. 

 

If I were their CEO, I'd hire you. tongue_smile.gif

post #2472 of 4114
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

 

I wonder whether soundstage has possibly taken a hit, when going from a vented to an unvented design with the new Heaven series.

 

I've been using the older Heaven A more frequently lately and their soundstage is simply amazing, much more out-of-head than with my Sony XBA-3 for example.

  Not that much smaller, the new Heaven series is better IMO. 

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I know that I get a fairly unique fit with the BA sitting right inside my ear canal, but I have never heard so three dimensional a sound stage as what I am getting from the VI. It is not huge but it is so compelling.

 

YMMV even more than usual.  :-)

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Your fit is proper for these, my fit is a tad deeper, semi-deep is good. 

post #2475 of 4114

Not sure how you feel about crossfeed but since you get a deep fit, try throwing that into the mix. That is when the sound stage added another dimension for me.

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