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MLE,

Are you close to updating your Mad Dog review on your gaming headphone guide? I'm really looking forward to what you have to say.

Thanks,

Kenneth
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It's just odd that such a dark-voiced headphone can have sometimes harsh, artificial treble. At least it's not really fatiguing. It's just.... you can tell that it's off. I don't even blame the MD. Almost every headphone I've heard don'tt do all S sounds properly. Very select few can, that I've heard. The K702 Anniversary is one of them, and the Stax SR-407. And those two are on opposite sides of the warm/bright spectrum.

Even the LCD2 can have peaky S sounds, though to a lesser extent than the MD. Neither are ever problematic though.

These are just very minor gripes. The MD 3.2 is without a doubt an amazing can to me, and I'd love to own it. Maybe one day.

 

I'm not sure what DAC/Amp you're using, or if you use multiple. I know my ODAC/O2 with stock opamps could sound a bit artificial in the treble. Swapping out one of the opamps (near the gain, I think) helped a bit...maybe. It was a small enough difference to potentially be placebo. The Leckerton UHA-6S Mk.II is even smoother to my ears in the treble without losing any detail or resolution over the ODAC/O2. I was able to do A/B testing with this and am almost certain that different was NOT placebo. Just a thought, but it's more likely to be the headphones themselves.

 

It's most probably because the Mad Dog isn't perfectly smooth in the treble, though the treble is well balanced overall with everything else IMO. It's the same for me, and it was the same for my Paradox and other T50RP mods. It's really hard to get the treble perfect on them, in particular around 10KHz (peak prone in that area). I think most headphones, even excellent ones, have difficulty with smooth treble. Even slight dips and peaks can cause oddities in the sound, based on what I've heard. 

 

I have to agree that I am pretty happy with the K702 65th AE treble. It sounds smooth to my ears. I know purrin did some measurements of the K701, and it also had quite smooth treble overall, if not slightly elevated from everything else. What you're hearing could very well just come down to how smooth the response is in the treble. The one thing I can't stand with the K702 65th AE is that peak right around 2.2KHz (common in the K70x variants, based on measurements I've seen), but that's a different topic.

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Family portrait!

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Family portrait!

 

Beautiful family you have there wink_face.gif

post #6155 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It's just odd that such a dark-voiced headphone can have sometimes harsh, artificial treble. At least it's not really fatiguing. It's just.... you can tell that it's off. I don't even blame the MD. Almost every headphone I've heard don'tt do all S sounds properly. Very select few can, that I've heard. The K702 Anniversary is one of them, and the Stax SR-407. And those two are on opposite sides of the warm/bright spectrum.
 

That has always been my biggest gripe with the HE-400. Renders it un-recommendable to other's.

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After demoing the HE-400s (with both pleathers and velours) against the MD, I do have mixed feelings about it. It is indeed a dark can, similar to the MD in that regard, and even has more perceived clarity, IMO. It has pretty good resolution and solid, fun and fast bass impact, however, it lacks midrange note weight and fullness of the Mad Dogs, which are a more fulfilling experience overall, even if the MD is definitely not as crisp-sounding.

 

My main gripe has been repeated ad nauseum; the treble made it sound as if cymbals and high-hats from a different album production was invading the music, like smearing watercolor over an oil painting (****ty metaphor, but you get the point). I'm not offended by a forward treble, but again as mentioned before, the contrasting dark sound of the HE-400's made the treble sound not only artificial but shrill and painful, much like stepping how into a hot bath from a cold shower is scalding. I'd much rather have the relatively toned-down treble of the Mad Dogs which is definitely safer for my music (DUH METUHLZZ \w/ )

 

However, to be fair, equalization did tone the treble down well and was much more enjoyable after that, but I found myself constantly fiddling with the treble attenuation depending on the album. Brighter albums needed more, darker albums needed less, and I could never just listen to an album without worrying about the treble spike.

 

This is not to say that the Mad Dogs trashed them. They are truly different cans, and if I had gotten both the Mad Dog with DOG PADS and the HE-400's at the same time and had to decide, isolation and comfort no factor, it would've been a tough choice. I say this because the Mad Dogs were in their DP iteration when I was deciding between the two back before I had bought them. I did fall in love with the 400's fun, bassy nature. Just didn't bode well for a variety of music. It does excel in more popular music.

 

Oh, and that cable is an *******.

 

I liked the excitement of the HE-400's, but I loved the refinement and more balanced sound out of the HE-500's I tried before, but wanted my next can to be different from the darkish signature of the MD's... and that is why I bought an HE-6 biggrin.gif (thank you, elwappo99, or Erik!)

 

I do have to add though, that the HifiMan series thus far just doesn't touch the Mad Dogs on comfort. No matter what new headphone I try on, they never touch the endearing, pillow-like embrace of the Mad Dogs. I like to think that it's unconditional love, no matter what other headphones I bring in. dt880smile.png


Edited by vaed - 5/22/13 at 1:35pm
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After demoing the HE-400s (with both pleathers and velours) against the MD, I do have mixed feelings about it. It is indeed a dark can, similar to the MD in that regard, and even has more perceived clarity, IMO. It has pretty good resolution and solid, fun and fast bass impact, however, it lacks midrange note weight and fullness of the Mad Dogs, which are a more fulfilling experience overall, even if the MD is definitely not as crisp-sounding.

 

My main gripe has been repeated ad nauseum; the treble made it sound as if cymbals and high-hats from a different album production was invading the music, like smearing watercolor over an oil painting (****ty metaphor, but you get the point). I'm not offended by a forward treble, but again as mentioned before, the contrasting dark sound of the HE-400's made the treble sound not only artificial but shrill and painful, much like stepping how into a hot bath from a cold shower is scalding. I'd much rather have the relatively toned-down treble of the Mad Dogs which is definitely safer for my music (DUH METUHLZZ \w/ )

 

However, to be fair, equalization did tone the treble down well and was much more enjoyable after that, but I found myself constantly fiddling with the treble attenuation depending on the album. Brighter albums needed more, darker albums needed less, and I could never just listen to an album without worrying about the treble spike.

 

This is not to say that the Mad Dogs trashed them. They are truly different cans, and if I had gotten both the Mad Dog with DOG PADS and the HE-400's at the same time and had to decide, isolation and comfort no factor, it would've been a tough choice. I say this because the Mad Dogs were in their DP iteration when I was deciding between the two back before I had bought them. I did fall in love with the 400's fun, bassy nature. Just didn't bode well for a variety of music. It does excel in more popular music.

 

Oh, and that cable is an *******.

 

I liked the excitement of the HE-400's, but I loved the refinement and more balanced sound out of the HE-500's I tried before, but wanted my next can to be different from the darkish signature of the MD's... and that is why I bought an HE-6 biggrin.gif (thank you, elwappo99, or Erik!)

 

I do have to add though, that the HifiMan series thus far just doesn't touch the Mad Dogs on comfort. No matter what new headphone I try on, they never touch the endearing, pillow-like embrace of the Mad Dogs. I like to think that it's unconditional love, no matter what other headphones I bring in. dt880smile.png

Good write-up!  I was looking forward to your impression when you mentioned that you'd be auditioning these the other day.  I think this further confirms that the MD is likely the right fit for me especially for rock and metal.  The HE-400 still has it's place in my collection for now as I think they are certainly winners for electronic, hip-hop and most of the jazz I've tried.  Can't wait to hear the MD, HE-500 and HE-6 in a few days (quite anxious) - you'll have to post your impressions of he HE-6 along with your experience of the MD once you've had some time with them.


Edited by modulor - 5/22/13 at 3:32pm
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Family portrait!

 

This is all I'm going to say to you...

 

 

:-p

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Family portrait!

What are your impressions of the th-600 so far?

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i would like to see the dogpads going onto the denons/fostexs....beerchug.gif

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So this is a good day. Did a little computer work for a nice lady today. I was admiring home theater room that she has says that she just had "re-done." All very high end. She tells me that there is some "old stuff" going to the good will store that I can look through. eek.gif Umm..sure I will. Long store short, I scored: Pioneer Elite sacd player, top of the line Denon receiver from about 5 years ago (weight 48 pounds), Mission speakers and a universal remote. biggrin.gif

 

Just got home with my goodies. I had to dig around for a power cord for the sacd player but found one. Went through my entire cd collection and found two classical, two jazz and one pop sacd. Just hooked up the sacd to my bifrost, plugged in the maddogs and hit play. Unbelievable. I have these same recording on cd ripped to flac, but this is amazingly good on sacd. The MD's are rocking to Springsteen: Devils and Dust dvd audio right now...

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i would like to see the dogpads going onto the denons/fostexs....beerchug.gif

The Lawton angle pads are as comfy as the Alphas. Which is veryyyyyyy comfy. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

So this is a good day. Did a little computer work for a nice lady today. I was admiring home theater room that she has says that she just had "re-done." All very high end. She tells me that there is some "old stuff" going to the good will store that I can look through. eek.gif Umm..sure I will. Long store short, I scored: Pioneer Elite sacd player, top of the line Denon receiver from about 5 years ago (weight 48 pounds), Mission speakers and a universal remote. biggrin.gif

 

Just got home with my goodies. I had to dig around for a power cord for the sacd player but found one. Went through my entire cd collection and found two classical, two jazz and one pop sacd. Just hooked up the sacd to my bifrost, plugged in the maddogs and hit play. Unbelievable. I have these same recording on cd ripped to flac, but this is amazingly good on sacd. The MD's are rocking to Springsteen: Devils and Dust dvd audio right now...

 

err...i presumed u gave a TOKEN sum.. beerchug.gif

my sacd player is in hybernation ...waiting for funds to get it repaired tongue_smile.gif

but there are so many cans waiting to be funded. 

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

So this is a good day. Did a little computer work for a nice lady today. I was admiring home theater room that she has says that she just had "re-done." All very high end. She tells me that there is some "old stuff" going to the good will store that I can look through. eek.gif Umm..sure I will. Long store short, I scored: Pioneer Elite sacd player, top of the line Denon receiver from about 5 years ago (weight 48 pounds), Mission speakers and a universal remote. biggrin.gif

 

Just got home with my goodies. I had to dig around for a power cord for the sacd player but found one. Went through my entire cd collection and found two classical, two jazz and one pop sacd. Just hooked up the sacd to my bifrost, plugged in the maddogs and hit play. Unbelievable. I have these same recording on cd ripped to flac, but this is amazingly good on sacd. The MD's are rocking to Springsteen: Devils and Dust dvd audio right now...

For free?eek.gif

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Well, she was taking it to Good Will. redface.gif Maybe I should call her back and tell her to let me know if she ever gets tired of her 65" led to let me know. wink.gif

 

Oh, the MD's sound amazing with Bach Brandenburg Concertos on sacd. This attack and decay of the orchestral instruments is fantastic!!

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