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Just listened to the new Daft Punk album on the MD's. Wow...eek.gif Great album, great sounding recording and man does it sound sweet on the MD's. I love how the MD's linear bass steps up and delivers the deep heavy bass in this recording. Most of the hp's that I've owned have not been linear and the sub bass here would have been too much. But the MD rendered the Daft Punk record with tight and punchy and heavenly deep. biggrin.gif

 

Sensational album, I'm liking the new style that DP is bringing. Fresh to death.

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Someone just said that to me about the new DP. Last time I heard them it was complete cheese but that was years ago. That 3.2 line is sexy as hell dan.

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You can see the 3.2's upper range bump, which is audible. That's maybe the reason some S sounds can be artificial sounding, though at the end of it all, I greatly prefer the 3.2 over the last one I tried (believe it was the 3.0).

 

I just updated from 3.0 to 3.2.  I normally like a slight V-signature, as the mids are too loud for me when these frequencies are flat with respect to the lower and upper ends of the spectrum.  Before, with the 3.0 version, I wanted to drop the mids slightly to make things sound ideal to my ears.  The 3.2 update really makes the 3-6kHz stand out, and I have found that can no longer increase the volume comfortably when listening at loud levels for a short period of time.  I'm guessing this boost is the reason.  I have not had the opportunity to see if EQ could resolve this yet.

 

With 3.0, I could just increase the volume until it was plenty loud enough, but now I am not able to do this with the 3.2 version.  As a reference, I run into a similar issue when listening to that 10Hz-20,000Hz audio sweep on You Tube.  Even at my normal low-volume listening levels, as the frequencies reach ~3KHz through to about 6-7KHz, I have to pull the earphones off my ear or turn the volume down to be comfortable.  Keep in mind, I listen at around 70-75 dB normally, and even at this volume level, the perception in the frequency range is blaring to my ears.


Edited by sonitus mirus - 5/21/13 at 12:32pm
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Anyone here able to do a comparison between these and DT770 250's ?
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I owned the dt770 but not at the same time as the MD. The beyer has a v-shaped signature. They are bright to my ears and the bass is boomy. I much prefer the MD more neutral signature with linear bass. 

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As requested, here are the results of measuring the HE500 with stock pleather (Red) and Alpha Pads (Blue).  It's easy to get the pads onto the HF500 mounting rings, but it takes a few tries to get the rings onto the headphone.  I'll post a video on how to put the pads on tomorrow for the curious.

 

 

The Alpha Pad smooths the peak from 800-1.5K, ads some energy to the upper mids and lower highs, and has a less output around 8-10K, perhaps owners who play with EQ could comment on these changes

 

I won't comment on the sonic changes, as I don't wish to present a biased message and will leave commentary on the sonic affects to any users who do the pad swap.  The pads did have the Alpha feel, but the overall experience of the fit and sound of the phone is quite different from the Mad Dog.  

 

Am I wrong to think it's a safe assumption that the regions affected here can also be reflected on other HE series models? My ear is not nearly as trained as some, but specifically regarding a stock HE-400 chart, comparing it to this seems to make sense to what I hear and has what I'd consider positive results. I know Clem is not a fan of the HE-400, but he has also cited positive results for the HE-4 and HE-5LE and I wonder if he experienced similar changes in those regions. Having using the Alphas for a few weeks now, it doesn't seem to dramatically change the presentation of the HE-400. It does seem reduce the mid/upper treble spike a bit, so I've not felt the need to EQ that region anymore...plus comfort is stellar compared to any other pads I've used. Also, the MD 3.2 FR looks fantastic *drools* kudos again Dan for releasing all these charts!
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Am I wrong to think it's a safe assumption that the regions affected here can also be reflected on other HE series models? My ear is not nearly as trained as some, but specifically regarding a stock HE-400 chart, comparing it to this seems to make sense to what I hear and has what I'd consider positive results. I know Clem is not a fan of the HE-400, but he has also cited positive results for the HE-4 and HE-5LE and I wonder if he experienced similar changes in those regions. Having using the Alphas for a few weeks now, it doesn't seem to dramatically change the presentation of the HE-400. It does seem reduce the mid/upper treble spike a bit, so I've not felt the need to EQ that region anymore...plus comfort is stellar compared to any other pads I've used.Also, the MD 3.2 FR looks fantastic *drools* kudos again Dan for releasing all these charts!

If those attenuations translate to HE400s then yes, this could potentially be quite complementary at least with respect to tonal adjustment (as it would boost upper midrange and lower the treble).

 

The only worry would be the section around 12kHz or so where the Alpha pads actually eclipse the pleathers, as that is the center of the HE400 treble spike so ideally you'd want the pads to decrease, not increase, it, with respect to stock HFM pads.

 

That is all assuming the exact same attenuations are passed on though, which is unlikely.

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Anybody wear MD's with a baseball cap? Just things I wonder about...

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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I owned the dt770 but not at the same time as the MD. The beyer has a v-shaped signature. They are bright to my ears and the bass is boomy. I much prefer the MD more neutral signature with linear bass. 
I had a similar experience with the DT770 - 600. V shaped, a bit boomy, bright but not horribly so. I had the DT770 and the MDs at the same time, and sold the DT770. I prefer the MDs.
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Anybody wear MD's with a baseball cap? Just things I wonder about...

 

I don't know about baseball, but I can't get a proper seal wearing them with my driving cap. So I typically just take it off when listening to the MD's.

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Am I wrong to think it's a safe assumption that the regions affected here can also be reflected on other HE series models? My ear is not nearly as trained as some, but specifically regarding a stock HE-400 chart, comparing it to this seems to make sense to what I hear and has what I'd consider positive results. I know Clem is not a fan of the HE-400, but he has also cited positive results for the HE-4 and HE-5LE and I wonder if he experienced similar changes in those regions. Having using the Alphas for a few weeks now, it doesn't seem to dramatically change the presentation of the HE-400. It does seem reduce the mid/upper treble spike a bit, so I've not felt the need to EQ that region anymore...plus comfort is stellar compared to any other pads I've used.Also, the MD 3.2 FR looks fantastic *drools* kudos again Dan for releasing all these charts!

 

Well, I think my treble issue with the 400s is twofold:

- It manifests as a spike in the spectrum. I don't think any pad actually can remove that completely. I might be wrong here and the "pad-gurus" (namely, Jerg & Dan) can comment further on that.

- It really contrasts with the overall dark nature of the 400s (which I don't like much) and the upper mid suck-out (which I like even less) and strikes when you're not expecting it to.

 

I'm more a "bright phone / warm amp" kind of guy and have no problem with treble quantity in general. The 4s and (to a lesser extent) the 5LEs are pretty bright/airy phones but they don't have the aforementionned issues in the treble:

- They are much more neutral sounding (balanced too, but it's not a concern here) so don't exhibit that big contrast.

- The whole treble region is tilted upwards (vs. a localized spike).

 

Undoubtedly, the 500s have the easiest treble of the bunch, and possibly the best too. My "concern" with them was their slower nature (vs. 4s, 5LEs) and the lack of balance (lower mids / uper mids bump) that gives them their very romantic voicing (which I fell for but didn't work well with fast paced music). The upper mids were too forward when paired with the NFB-27 standalone, so I moved to the more balanced 5LEs.


Edited by Clemmaster - 5/22/13 at 12:26am
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^^ What you want is the he-4...for sure based on your description. 

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^^ What you want is the he-4...for sure based on your description. 

 

Who? me?

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^^ What you want is the he-4...for sure based on your description. 

 

 

Who Clem??   Clem is the HiFiman guru around these parts.L3000.gif

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It's just odd that such a dark-voiced headphone can have sometimes harsh, artificial treble. At least it's not really fatiguing. It's just.... you can tell that it's off. I don't even blame the MD. Almost every headphone I've heard don'tt do all S sounds properly. Very select few can, that I've heard. The K702 Anniversary is one of them, and the Stax SR-407. And those two are on opposite sides of the warm/bright spectrum.

Even the LCD2 can have peaky S sounds, though to a lesser extent than the MD. Neither are ever problematic though.

These are just very minor gripes. The MD 3.2 is without a doubt an amazing can to me, and I'd love to own it. Maybe one day.
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