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post #5836 of 6388
If you want a closed headphone that isolates extremely well, the MD is pretty much on the top of the heap. It really is a stellar closed can. I just still don't compare it to say an HE-4, K702 65, HD650, and LCD2. It's not going to be confused with an open headphone, IMHO. There, it stumbles in air and soundstage. I mean, the LCD2 isnt known for either of those things, yet it sounds quite a bit more open than the MD. That's where it loses it's realism.

Tonality is wonderful however.

It can still stand to be less darker and less thicker.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/8/13 at 1:54am
post #5837 of 6388
I would have kept the MD's had they not sounded so congested. I ended up buying my D5000's back cos they have a much better soundstage.
post #5838 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

 

Not sure where you got the idea that I don't like AKG's headphones. Although very disappointed by the K702 65th AE, I owned a set of the K701 for ~5 years. Wouldn't have owned it that long if I didn't like it. And I liked the K2xx series a lot too (specifically the K271S, but also the K240S). I also highly respect the out-of-production K340 and K1000 and would call them AKG's best headphones. It's just the K702 65th AE that I've been unimpressed by, and only mostly because it didn't improve that much over the K702, IMO. (Disclaimer: Not that I can say that without a direct comparison of course, as I'm going off memory.)

 

Also my post #5851 was intended as tongue-in-cheek if it wasn't obvious. Sorta like this: tongue.gif

 

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Originally Posted by Asr View Post

I should add to my previous post that I think the Annie is a decent headphone at its price, not great - but not terrible. It's more that some of the posts in this thread comparing to the HE-400 and LCD-2 had me expecting something better than what I actually received. I will admit that maybe I should've been more realistic on my expectations from an obvious K70x driver-based headphone though.

 

At this point though, I've come to the realization that AKG's K70x driver just isn't for me anymore. Heck, I was a fan of the original K701 and owned it for almost 5 years. But by the end of that time my opinion of it had become increasingly negative, as I'd had more experience by then with a variety of other headphones. I'd still be able to recommend the Annie at its price, it's more that if we take price out of the equation and assess its sound quality alone, there are other more expensive headphones that I would much rather have, like the Fostex TH900 for example.

 

 

I admit.  A little over exaggeration on my part..

post #5839 of 6388
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post

 

 

 

 

You were always a man for succinctness :) I didn't want to just blatantly say it, but basically as an audiophile headphone the Mad Dogs just top. The presentation is just so much more lifelike overall. 

 

I think the hype that evolved around the 65th anniversary edition will be unfortunate for its long term reputation. It was a good change (mainly for comfort reasons), but it got hyped up to be some giant killer perfect sounding headphone. 

 

E,

 

What giant was it suppose to kill?

post #5840 of 6388
From personal taste, I would only buy the MD if I clearly needed a closed headphone that isolates this well. If I didn't, I'd choose the 650 and K7902 65 as far as warmish, well balanced cans go. There's no replacement for the kind of sound open headphones give, IMHO.

The MD and basically any other closed headphone that seals 5his well is situational use only for me.

On a positive side:

My favorite aspect of the MD now is the bass. On the last one, it was the mids. Still, the newest MD has very good mids too, so I'd still choose it over the last one, as I didn't think the last one had impressive bass.
post #5841 of 6388
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

E,

What giant was it suppose to kill?

As opposed to the hype surrounding the MD which have been mentioned to be giant killers a HELL OF A LOT here? Lol. It's been mentioned enough times that the K702 65 is for those who wanted more bass, warmer, less fatigue from the other 70x variants. To lots of people, that IS an improvement.

I personall never liked the other versions for music use. With the 65, the musicality was quite improved, and made them considerably more enjoyable to me. Is it as technical and analytical as the ones before it? No. But I'm looking to enjoy music, not dissect it.

As for things it did better than the LCD2, it's no mystery. It's more airy, spacious, not as warm, making it more balanced, IMHO. I have let a few friends try both out side by side, and they came out more impressed with the K702 65. This includes the guy that came over to my house and bought the 702 65 on the spot after demoing both. If I had thrown the MD in the mix... it would have been left behind.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/8/13 at 2:19am
post #5842 of 6388

People are listening on different stations with pretty large variables: Amp, DAC, source, cables, etc. Throw different ears/canals, biology, age,  mood, environment, and all the other endless factors and what do you get? Head-fi threads. Of course they are going to sound different to people. Its the nature of the beast. 

 

So as far as opinions go, which make up 90% of the posts, they are all right -- right for that person. 

 

I feel like I have a lot of variables to deal with when working in my lab, but I feel they can be controlled (mostly). However, the variables related to audio seem far less controllable and even more unverifiable.

 

Hopefully at one of the coming SoCal meets in the next few months I'll get the opportunity to try out the Annies and see how my opinion matches against those that I've read. 

post #5843 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


As opposed to the hype surrounding the MD which have been mentioned to be giant killers a HELL OF A LOT here? Lol. It's been mentioned enough times that the K702 65 is for those who wanted more bass, warmer, less fatigue from the other 70x variants. To lots of people, that IS an improvement.

I personall never liked the other versions for music use. With the 65, the musicality was quite improved, and made them considerably more enjoyable to me. Is it as technical and analytical as the ones before it? No. But I'm looking to enjoy music, not dissect it.

As for things it did better than the LCD2, it's no mystery. It's more airy, spacious, not as warm, making it more balanced, IMHO. I have let a few friends try both out side by side, and they came out more impressed with the K702 65. This includes the guy that came over to my house and bought the 702 65 on the spot after demoing both. If I had thrown the MD in the mix... it would have been left behind.

I'm glad to hear the annies are more open and spacious than the lcd's. Mine should be here tomorrow. I really liked the lcd's but the soundstage was too small. I also tried to use the lcd as a mixing can but my new powered fostex speakers try as they might couldn't keep up and I ended up preferring the MD as my mixing can.  

 

My ultimate goal is to have a uber sounding 1k can, and open back large defined soundstage can, a mixing can, and a e.t.d. closed playing out can. I want one of the cans to pull double duty so I can knock it down to 3 headphones. As much as I wanted the lcd to do one of the following besides being uber sounding it just couldn't.

post #5844 of 6388
love this community, everyone has a fair shot with his views,
Written from what's heard off his setup...n taste.

What's missing must be the single crystal cable...to improve the space:p



Just sold my q701, I seem to be moving away from bright cans lately.

Ps: as I am reading these posts,
the sound streaming thru my ue9000 is so clear n melodious....soothing..
Off an iPad, n SKY.FM ROMANTICA channel. what a can.
post #5845 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post


As opposed to the hype surrounding the MD which have been mentioned to be giant killers a HELL OF A LOT here? Lol. It's been mentioned enough times that the K702 65 is for those who wanted more bass, warmer, less fatigue from the other 70x variants. To lots of people, that IS an improvement.

I personall never liked the other versions for music use. With the 65, the musicality was quite improved, and made them considerably more enjoyable to me. Is it as technical and analytical as the ones before it? No. But I'm looking to enjoy music, not dissect it.

As for things it did better than the LCD2, it's no mystery. It's more airy, spacious, not as warm, making it more balanced, IMHO. I have let a few friends try both out side by side, and they came out more impressed with the K702 65. This includes the guy that came over to my house and bought the 702 65 on the spot after demoing both. If I had thrown the MD in the mix... it would have been left behind.

 

 

No one, at least not me is selling the MD as a giant killer. I often state that the MD does sound very similar to hp's costing twice as much. My opinion is that they sound a lot like the lcd2 but not that they are lcd2 "killers." But they do sound close enough to warrant comparison and at the end of the day, they are "close enough" at a fraction of the cost to be truly impressed with.

 

At the Atlanta meet this past weekend, I let at least 12 people listen to my setup...MD with lyr and bifrost. These guys, and one gal, had never heard the MD before. I remember five of them saying that they sounded a lot like the lcd2. Two of them said that they liked them better than the lcd2 because the sound was so close and the comfort so much better. That's unsolicited reactions from a fairly serious crowd. That was enough for me to feel like that there was a consensus about the sound and not just my own personal observations. 

 

I can't speak to your evaluation of the Annie's or comparison. I'm still waiting for you to loan them to me. tongue.gif But to my ears, there is nothing congested about the reproduction of music with the current MD build. I listen to it everyday with the hd650 sitting next to it. I OFTEN pick up the 650 to evaluate a track of a specific genre of music...recently to compare the "new bass" of the MD but sometimes to evaluate complex passages. The 650 is always good, but the MD is better. More natural and lifelike for the past several revisions. And now with the 3.2 build it has more visceral bass impact and texture. It's a winning combination.

 

And there has been zero degradation of mids on the current build IMO. Not a bit. I've listened to both versions side by for weeks. More bass impact and texture...same mids. 

post #5846 of 6388
You did say to me that the MD's are 85-90% of the LCD's...At best I'd say they're 50%. They just have a superficially similar sound signature. Other than that the LCD's are completely different.
post #5847 of 6388
I don't find them comparable at all other than tonality. You can get a $20 headphone to have that tonality. Hell the Sennheiser HD201 is a very neutral to slightly warm can.

The MD is the product of a lot more hype than many headphones I've seen as of late.

To untrained ears, maybe, but spend enough time with them, the LCD2 will prove why it's a league ahead of the MD, IMHO. It's no contest.

The MD does provide a very solid SQ, that's undeniable, but it doesn't compare. The treble in particular is the most unrefined aspect of the MD's sound. It's zingy at best.

And yes, for the bass to have made that jump from the previous version, there had to be a tradeoff. That tradeoff was it's mid forwardness, FWIH. No such thing as emphasizing something without taking away from something else. The treble is still a little sibilant, and the mids while still rich, aren't the as highlighted as before.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 5/8/13 at 5:17am
post #5848 of 6388
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

 

 

No one, at least not me is selling the MD as a giant killer. I often state that the MD does sound very similar to hp's costing twice as much. My opinion is that they sound a lot like the lcd2 but not that they are lcd2 "killers." But they do sound close enough to warrant comparison and at the end of the day, they are "close enough" at a fraction of the cost to be truly impressed with.

 

At the Atlanta meet this past weekend, I let at least 12 people listen to my setup...MD with lyr and bifrost. These guys, and one gal, had never heard the MD before. I remember five of them saying that they sounded a lot like the lcd2. Two of them said that they liked them better than the lcd2 because the sound was so close and the comfort so much better. That's unsolicited reactions from a fairly serious crowd. That was enough for me to feel like that there was a consensus about the sound and not just my own personal observations. 

 

I can't speak to your evaluation of the Annie's or comparison. I'm still waiting for you to loan them to me. tongue.gif But to my ears, there is nothing congested about the reproduction of music with the current MD build. I listen to it everyday with the hd650 sitting next to it. I OFTEN pick up the 650 to evaluate a track of a specific genre of music...recently to compare the "new bass" of the MD but sometimes to evaluate complex passages. The 650 is always good, but the MD is better. More natural and lifelike for the past several revisions. And now with the 3.2 build it has more visceral bass impact and texture. It's a winning combination.

 

And there has been zero degradation of mids on the current build IMO. Not a bit. I've listened to both versions side by for weeks. More bass impact and texture...same mids. 

 

 

This is correct Matt and what has always been said here...  "The MDs sound similar to the LCD-2s"  

 

IIRC the Annies has always only been compared to other AKG headphones.  No other flagships.  At least be me anyway.  So I have no idea where the "Giant Killer" stamp came from.  In no way what so ever the Annies can compare to the HD800s - only in Sound Stage and it falls short there as well.  I've always only compared the MDs to other modded T50RPs in the past.  So again no giant killers here either.


Edited by preproman - 5/8/13 at 5:20am
post #5849 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I don't find them comparable at all other than tonality. You can get a $20 headphone to have that tonality. Hell the Sennheiser HD201 is a very neutral to slightly warm can.

The MD is the product of a lot more hype than many headphones I've seen as of late.

To untrained ears, maybe, but spend enough time with them, the LCD2 will prove why it's a league ahead of the MD, IMHO. It's no contest.

The MD does provide a very solid SQ, that's undeniable, but it doesn't compare. The treble in particular is the most unrefined aspect of the MD's sound. It's zingy at best.

And yes, for the bass to have made that jump from the previous version, there had to be a tradeoff. That tradeoff was it's mid forwardness, FWIH. No such thing as emphasizing something without taking away from something else. The treble is still a little sibilant, and the mids while still rich, aren't the as highlighted as before.

 

"zingy...sibilant" blink.gif

 

This has always been a dark to dark neutral hp with highs that are smooth a touch rolled off. But never, ever "zingy or sibilant." 

post #5850 of 6388

The problem with using the cliched terminology "giant killer" is that it's not clear as to how a headphone has to perform to qualify. I mean, does it need to kill ALL giants? Most giants? Or only some giants? Also, is a "giant" a relatively more expensive headphone (if so, how many more times the price of the "giant-killer" wannabes?), or an absolute expensive headphone e.g. >$1000?

 

In conclusion, nothing and everything qualifies as giant killers depending on the criteria.

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