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I'm actually on the list for the he-400 demo, haha. I'm definitely curious about them, but I forgot to mention in the he-500 entry that I'm a little afraid of hifimans build quality and comfort. I'm secretly waiting for their next headphone. But besides that dip in the upper mids and the (tentatively) spikey treble, they sure seem to tick all the boxes. I was looking at the he-500s over them primarily because of the better balance that they have, but the he-400s seem to be more engaging (hearsay) . I'm also not sure if they would be so much of an upgrade as they are a side grade, but who knows, perhaps that's what I'm looking for as well. All will be known when I receive them!
Edited by vaed - 4/10/13 at 4:11pm
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I'm actually on the list for the he-400 demo, haha. I'm definitely curious about them, but I forgot to mention in the he-500 entry that I'm a little afraid of hifimans build quality and comfort. I'm secretly waiting for their next headphone. But besides that dip in the upper mids and the (tentatively) spikey treble, they sure seem to tick all the boxes. I was looking at the he-500s over them primarily because of the better balance that they have, but the he-400s seem to be more engaging (hearsay) . I'm also not sure if they would be so much of an upgrade as they are a side grade, but who knows, perhaps that's what I'm looking for as well. All will be known when I receive them!

I certainly think it will be a side grade - It will be interesting to see if you agree.

 

My opinion is that the HE500's let you ease into the music whereas the HE400's kind of scream at you :P

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A pair of Beyerdynamic T1's might be calling your name. Otherwise, the LCD-2.2 basically has the sound signature of the MD's with more refinement, detail, and a slight soundstage increase. All at the cost of a higher price, but also weight. They are indeed heavy headphones, but if that doesn't bother you, try and snag a pair or even better audition them to see if you like them.

 

The Beyers aren't warm headphones, but have that sparkle you are looking for and great bass impact, especially paired with a proper amp. An overall very balanced headphone.

 

I would suggest a pair of HE-6 headphones, but I don't think it is necessarily a good value because of how much you will need to put into it for proper amplification.


Edited by Greed - 4/10/13 at 4:21pm
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LCD2, for sure. Th HE-400 loses out on the midrange, and the treble is a bit sharp.
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Thanks for all the suggestions so far, guys. 

 

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Originally Posted by Jesterphile View Post

I personally think the HE400's are over hyped. The only thing I preferred on them was the open sound stage the MD's don't have - and that's more of an open vs closed issue anyway. The HE400's were much too sibilant and unrefined to my ear, and I would suggest trying them before buying them to make sure that won't bother you.

 

I have gone from the HE400's MD's to the HE500's but I think I'll be purchasing the balanced MD's soon as I really like their sound.

 

I have no experience with the LCD2's but a lot of people liken them to the MD's on steroids; perhaps someone who has/does own both can weigh in.

 

Yeah, the LCD2's seem like the safest bet so far. Luckily for me, I have a friend back at home (I'm at school in San Diego, I live in the bay area) who has a pair of LCD-2's on a similar setup to mine, so I'm excited to test the MDs out side by side.

 

About the HE-400's, the problem I see from a reader's standpoint is that the HE-400's are probably the most hype-infected headphone on the internet right now, and so it's hard to gauge it fairly between the confounded expectations of newbie audiophiles or skeptics, but that's why it's on the demo list!

 

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A pair of Beyerdynamic T1's might be calling your name. Otherwise, the LCD-2.2 basically has the sound signature of the MD's with more refinement, detail, and a slight soundstage increase. All at the cost of a higher price, but also weight. They are indeed heavy headphones, but if that doesn't bother you, try and snag a pair or even better audition them to see if you like them.

 

The Beyers aren't warm headphones, but have that sparkle you are looking for and great bass impact, especially paired with a proper amp. An overall very balanced headphone.

 

I would suggest a pair of HE-6 headphones, but I don't think it is necessarily a good value because of how much you will need to put into it for proper amplification.

 

The T1, huh? I've heard of them, but I haven't read much about them. Looking at their graphs, they look pretty promising! Maybe it's time to start the climb up to summit-fi to see what temptresses await me. I do like a bit of warmth, I thought I'd like total neutrality until I AB'd my Mad Dogs and B2's and finally learned what "dry" meant.

 

The HE-6 is indeed a bit out of reach, especially with all the baggage needed to make it reach its potential. 

 

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LCD2, for sure. Th HE-400 loses out on the midrange, and the treble is a bit sharp.

 

Yeah, those are definitely my main concerns about the HE-400. Sharp treble on extreme metal f***** hurts sometimes, and it actually makes me avoid albums, which is the last thing I want to do. 

 

Perfect Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcptdtOejg  I LOVE this album, but anything with spikey treble  = OWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. The Mad Dogs, however, render it perfectly.


Edited by vaed - 4/10/13 at 5:35pm
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Little sneak peak.

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Got my Darth Dogs. Been on my head for about an hour, going through my usual battery of Flac tracks. It took me about ten minutes to get used to the planar sound again, and for the pads to warm up and form a nice seal on my head. They sounded a bit weird for about ten minutes, but it's all good now.

 

Initial Impressions:

 

-They sound ridiculously awesome. Great balance from top to bottom, about as neutral as anything I've heard (check my profile), a true studio reference type of sound. Bass is not shy, but neutral, definitely enough to enjoy the music, anything more would just be coloration. Bass definition is amazing, definitely not a one note type of bass, but well textured and tightly controlled. Detail retrieval is off the charts, matching my 7520 and even more across the entire frequency spectrum.

 

-Packaging was very high quality with nice foam inserts for ample protection and the velvet bag is of much higher quality than I expected. Very nice Dan. I can tell my Mad Dog was packaged with great care and I feel happy about that.

 

-Comfort is off the charts. I initially was worried when I held the Mad Dogs because they were quite hefty (which I expected), but they disappear on my head with the comfort strap and alpha pads. Amazing what Dan had done with such heavy phones.

 

-How do they look on my head? I look like I stepped off an anime and I will be using this headset to call my godzilla-sized robots in to defend me at any moment. Isolation if fantastic and I will be rocking these at Starbucks and call in my robots if necessary.

 

I will burn these in and keep listening for the next few days and my opinion will continue to evolve. Something sounds a little bit strange, but I can't put my finger on it at the moment. The feeling comes and goes and I can't seem to articulate what that is at the moment. It might just be nothing, but I'll know in a few days for sure.

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How about the DT1350s? In my mind it's the kind of sound you are describing. (If you can find a good pair that is.)

 

On a personal note I think you started your headphone journey with one hell of a phone. You're in for a lot of future dissapointment. wink.gif

 

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So guys, instead of beating around the bush, in just going to ask straight out about a potential upgrade to the mad dogs in the distant future (depending on the refractory period of the head fi sickness).
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How about the DT1350s? In my mind it's the kind of sound you are describing. (If you can find a good pair that is.)

 

On a personal note I think you started your headphone journey with one hell of a phone. You're in for a lot of future dissapointment. wink.gif

 

 

How are the DT1350's an upgrade from the Mad Dogs? confused.gif

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I've owned the DT1350's and now own the mad dogs. The DT 1350 is a nice compact headphone. The DT1350 is not in the same league as the mad dog, regardless of original retail price.
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How are the DT1350's an upgrade from the Mad Dogs? confused.gif

 

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I've owned the DT1350's and now own the mad dogs. The DT 1350 is a nice compact headphone. The DT1350 is not in the same league as the mad dog, regardless of original retail price.

 

Oh sorry. I didn't mean they were upgrades. I just thought he wanted some more bass and treble, while looking for something somewhat balanced. They're indeed not "upgrades" to the Mad Dogs.

 

so everyone please calm down.L3000.gif

 

-I think I mentioned them because he likes the Amperiors

 

Edit: Okay so I went back and re-read Vaed's original post. My apologies for just glancing over the details. So for an open back upgrade to the Mad Dogs that retain the sweet mids, but adds more bass and sparkle to the treble? That would be a short list.

 

-LCD-3 or SR-009? I have no idea. very_evil_smiley.gif


Edited by M-13 - 4/10/13 at 8:27pm
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On a personal note I think you started your headphone journey with one hell of a phone. You're in for a lot of future dissapointment. wink.gif

 

 

Hahaha, I suppose I'll just chalk that up to my naturally good taste! /monocle (note: being facetious)

 

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-I think I mentioned them because he likes the Amperiors

 

Edit: Okay so I went back and re-read Vaed's original post. My apologies for just glancing over the details. So for an open back upgrade to the Mad Dogs that retain the sweet mids, but adds more bass and sparkle to the treble? That would be a short list.

 

-LCD-3 or SR-009? I have no idea. very_evil_smiley.gif

No worries, mind that I only want a little bit more sparkle and bass, I don't want a full-blown v-shape, but smiley-shaped. The point is I love my mids and don't want either end to overshadow the other, but I like the slightly more "live" feeling that that a more prominent low/high-end bring to the table considering my genre of choice. This begs the question that with EQ, if there is any point to that caveat; I may as well ask if there is a open-backed, direct upgrade to the MD's in that case, and it seems like the Audeze's take that cake. I still like knowing all my options, though.

 

On a side note, I'm glad that you're enjoying your Mad Dogs!


Edited by vaed - 4/10/13 at 8:37pm
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Hahaha, I suppose I'll just chalk that up to my naturally good taste. /monocle

 

No worries, mind that I only want a little bit more sparkle and bass, I don't want a full-blown v-shape, but smiley-shaped. The point is I love my mids and don't want either end to overshadow the other, but I like the slightly more "live" feeling that that a more prominent low/high-end bring to the table considering my genre of choice

 

On a side note, I'm glad that you're enjoying your Mad Dogs!

As a mid lover myself I think you should try the LCD-2. They have some great mids as well and "Dat Bass" will change your mind about what is possible with bass in general. The treble sparkle that you're looking for won't be there, but it still will be a great experience and perhaps even worth owning. Definitely has a lot of energy. DT1350s also have pretty decent mids, although coming from the Mad Dogs... like I said you're just in for a lot of dissapointment. very_evil_smiley.gif Just save up a ton of dough and get the LCD-3 or a SR-009.

 

I'm rocking with the Mad Dogs at the moment L3000.gif

 

Currently, Sony's entire Professional Audio Department is battling against Dan Clark and not doing so well.

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As a mid lover myself I think you should try the LCD-2. They have some great mids as well and "Dat Bass" will change your mind about what is possible with bass in general. The treble sparkle that you're looking for won't be there, but it still will be a great experience and perhaps even worth owning. Definitely has a lot of energy. DT1350s also have pretty decent mids, although coming from the Mad Dogs... like I said you're just in for a lot of dissapointment. very_evil_smiley.gif Just save up a ton of dough and get the LCD-3 or a SR-009.

 

I'm rocking with the Mad Dogs at the moment L3000.gif

 

Currently, Sony's entire Professional Audio Department is battling against Dan Clark and not doing so well.

Damn, the LCD's sound good. Do they have strong bass impact and do the instruments have good weight to their sound?

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Damn, the LCD's sound good. Do they have strong bass impact and do the instruments have good weight to their sound?

Dat Bass hits hard, hits deep, and hits fast. The weight and presence is unbelievable. It's like 800 pound gorilla-diaphrams moving at the speed of light to gobsmack your ears with the greatest bass you've ever heard. LOL very_evil_smiley.gif

 

That being said I still prefer a more neutral bass with lots of speed, resolution, and texture. Mad Dog is right up my alley as a personal preference, and is closer to "reference" for me.

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