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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

Buy them from a fellow Head-Fi member? 

 

I think I'm just going to have to wait until I move back to VA.

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Why are you guys gaming..?

 

Shouldn't you be occupied listening to music with the Mad Dog? wink.gif

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Incorrect, check out the Fostex TH-900, one of the largest soundstages regardless of the categories open/closed. 

 

 

Not hardly.  AKG 601, 701, 702, Q701 and the Annnies will kill the Fostex in that category.  I would say they're on par with other open headphones that's not named HD800 or AKG 

 

"That wasn't the intention of Audeze to make a headphone with a huge soundstage, because the sound signature is supposed to be intimate."

 

How could you possible know this?  How you know they didn't try and failed at it?  I take back my question if you are an Audeze designer..


Edited by preproman - 4/4/13 at 9:09am
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I'll dodge work for a couple minutes and weigh in on sound stage as well -

 

I find the MD's the equal to or exceeding the D7000's, I owned and loved the D7000's, and have the MD's now.  There are a few things the D7000's do better than MD's, but to my ears, sound stage is not one of them.

 

I would almost put them on par with the HD6xx sound stage, but my experience with the HD6xx series is meet settings, not a fair comparison for sound stage for the HD6xx.  Too much ambient noise. I'm pretty much on board with the rest of the comments - The MD's are a wonderful closed headphone!  I have not heard the TH900, but it is an unfair comparison at $2k vs. $300.  I have not heard the T5P, but it is somewhere near 3x to 4x the price of the MD's, another relatively unfair comparison.  At $300 price point, the MD may be the best closed headphone out there (arguably, imho, ymmv, blah, blah), and at $300 there are not that many open headphones that give it a good run for it's money.

 

As to the many comparisons to the HE400, a reasonably fair comparison in my opinion.  My only experience with the HE400 was in a meet setting again.  I liked the MD's better, but I could certainly see where many others would feel the opposite.

 

For my needs and tastes and ears, I need to step way up to find something that is a worthy upgrade - and I'm referring to HE6 / Stax 009 territory.  Don't get me wrong - the MD's are not in the same league by any means.  They are just a great sweet spot of sound and value for me.  HD6xx's are the only other thing on my radar at the moment.  All IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc...

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Congested is not a word that I would use to describe the Mad Dogs. I've seen a few descriptions of the Mad Dogs' sound stage as congested, small, or merely "good for a closed headphone", but in it's current configuration (Alpha Pads) I just don't get that. If the HE-400 has soundstaging and imaging capabilities anywhere near the HE-6, then I could certainly see them beating the Mad Dogs. However, the Mad Dog is no slouch, and I find it gives up very little to Audeze in soundstage and might even beat their offerings on imaging (I do find that my LCD-3 sits behind the HE-6 and HD800 in this department).

And I hope I don't come off as railing on you or anything. I just want to make sure that the lurkers don't just see the "congested" depictions and take it as gospel (my opinions shouldn't be taken that way either).

YMMV. I have the Alpha Pad version. Granted, I haven't tried the D7000 so I can't compare to that but by congested I mean it sounds like my ears are plugged up, which I'd mostly attribute to the vacuum seal effect and partially due to the nature of closed headphones (I have used the DT770 though, and the soundstage in that was ridiculous for a closed, but then again, it did not isolate too well.

And nothing should be taken as gospel on this forum smily_headphones1.gif should always demo / test before making a conclusion.
Edited by AyeVeeN - 4/4/13 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Not hardly.  AKG 601, 701, 702, Q701 and the Annnies will kill the Fostex in that category.  I would say they're on par with other open headphones that's not named HD800 or AKG 

 

"That wasn't the intention of Audeze to make a headphone with a huge soundstage, because the sound signature is supposed to be intimate."

 

How could you possible know this?  How you know they didn't try and failed at it?  I take back my question if you are an Audeze designer..

 

^ These are all open headphones.

 

I was quoting another person that stated that no closed headphones will have the soundstage of an open headphone. I simply, disagreed with him, saying the Fostex TH-900 has a large soundstage, one of the largest, in my opinion. Now, I'm not sure what you mean by how I know this? I'm unsure why everything people say needs to be backed up by factual evidence. This is a forum, where people share their own opinions. That was mine. It would be most inconvenient to have to say "Such and such, in my opinion." After every thing we say. So, by default, I take what people say as their opinion, simple as that. My comment was no different. Drawing simple conclusions from the sound of the LCD-2, is that Audeze probably wasn't too worried about the soundstage. If they were then, it would have had a larger soundstage. Why? Because larger sound stage headphones can be had at a cheaper price than the LCD-2, therefore, at the current cost of the LCD-2 they should be able to create a larger soundstage, but I'm guessing that wasn't the intention of a lush/warm/intimate sounding headphone, that shines with vocals. 


Edited by Greed - 4/4/13 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

Incorrect, check out the Fostex TH-900, one of the largest soundstages regardless of the categories open/closed. 

 

 

I know they're open headphones.  ^^^This is what you said^^^  open/closed.  I just pointed out that IMO that was not true.  You said the other guy was incorrect,  I'm saying by your statement that you are incorrect IMO..  I just pointed out a few headphones (open) that will beat the 2K headphone out in the sound stage department IMO..

 

"That wasn't the intention of Audeze to make a headphone with a huge soundstage, because the sound signature is supposed to be intimate."

 

The above statement sounds like a statement not an opinion.  It's good to state what you mean so others like myself won't think your stating facts when it's just your opinion.  

 

Just saying..


Edited by preproman - 4/4/13 at 11:31am
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I know they're open headphones.  ^^^This is what you said^^^  open/closed.  I just pointed out that IMO that was not true.  You said the other guy was incorrect,  I'm saying by your statement that you are incorrect IMO..  I just pointed out a few headphones (open) that will beat the 2K headphone out in the sound stage department IMO..

 

I agree. I've heard the K702 Annies, and they did have very good soundstage, but in my defense I did say "one of the..." Honestly, the largest soundstage I've heard from a headphone is the HD800, but for the TH-900 IMO are no slouch. They best many of the open headphones I've heard, and can't name many open or closed headphones that have a larger soundstage IMO.

 

Disclaimer: Obviously this is IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO.

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I agree. I've heard the K702 Annies, and they did have very good soundstage, but in my defense I did say "one of the..." Honestly, the largest soundstage I've heard from a headphone is the HD800, but for the TH-900 IMO are no slouch. They best many of the open headphones I've heard, and can't name many open or closed headphones that have a larger soundstage IMO.

 

Disclaimer: Obviously this is IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO.

 

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Originally Posted by Greed View Post

 

I agree. I've heard the K702 Annies, and they did have very good soundstage, but in my defense I did say "one of the..." Honestly, the largest soundstage I've heard from a headphone is the HD800, but for the TH-900 IMO are no slouch. They best many of the open headphones I've heard, and can't name many open or closed headphones that have a larger soundstage IMO.

 

Disclaimer: Obviously this is IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO, IMO.

We are on IMO-fi after all.

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I really want Mad Dogs - but there's no way I'm ordering as long as I live where I do because both UPS and USPS consistently delay packages or fail to deliver them.  It's kind of a bummer.  I'll still use Amazon because they'll fix the problem as fast as possible, but other online vendors don't/won't...and even if they do, I'd be truly saddened to see Dan lose $300 replacing an order that UPS or USPS (or FedEx - they ALL suck where I live) lost or delayed.

 

Hopefully I'm getting out of this gawd-awful city in the gawd-awful Deep South soon.

 

Such a shame to hear that, as Savannah is one of my favorite vacation stops. If I'm ever anywhere nearby I will always stop in for a day and go to my favorite candy shop and restaurant down on river street. Gorgeous architecture down there also.

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Hopefully I'm getting out of this gawd-awful city in the gawd-awful Deep South soon.

Which specific one would that be? I share your sentiments.

 

EDIT: Read the above post and your profile. I'm in Mobile.


Edited by ssrock64 - 4/4/13 at 12:49pm
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I'll share my two cents on the soundstage issue, and by two cents I really do mean a concise summary.

 

Positioning: among the best of any headphone at price ranges greatly exceeding it (though not to an extreme degree: let's put a limit here of about $1K), open or closed.

Soundstage: Not all that wide, really. For a closed headphone it's pretty good and up there among the elite, but it's still nothing to write home about compared to basically any open can.

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I really want Mad Dogs - but there's no way I'm ordering as long as I live where I do because both UPS and USPS consistently delay packages or fail to deliver them.  It's kind of a bummer.  I'll still use Amazon because they'll fix the problem as fast as possible, but other online vendors don't/won't...and even if they do, I'd be truly saddened to see Dan lose $300 replacing an order that UPS or USPS (or FedEx - they ALL suck where I live) lost or delayed.

Hopefully I'm getting out of this gawd-awful city in the gawd-awful Deep South soon.
Ask Dan to insure the package then??
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I think I'm just going to have to wait until I move back to VA.

 
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Which specific one would that be? I share your sentiments.

 

EDIT: Read the above post and your profile. I'm in Mobile.

 

 

Was about to say the same...not a fan of the South personally.  The food is good, though.  What part of Va disastermouse?

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