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post #4576 of 6388
It doesn't have to be significantly clampy. It just needs, a little more. That would make them really sound like the LCD2 to me, with an obvious difference in refinement.

Tomorrow, I will have my vegan LCD2, a leather LCD2, and the MD on hand. Pretty sure with slightly more clamp, the MD will bear a pretty good resemblance to the leather LCD2.

But yes, the Mad Dogs are amazing for the price, and will be my first go to if I need a closed headphone in the future. I'd just have to bend the arms in a bit.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/27/13 at 1:59pm
post #4577 of 6388
Thanks for your impressions MLE. Will you write a review for the headphone gaming guide? I'm sure people are interested in reading about the Mad Dogs soundstage & imaging smily_headphones1.gif
post #4578 of 6388
Hmmm. Possibly, though I don't want to, because I feel that the pads and my head aren't working together in perfect harmony. The bass is a tad reserved and it's a hint sibilant, which I wasn't expecting at all. I honestly feel I'm not getting the REAL Mad Dogs experience unless I get more clamp (like when I slightly press them towards my ears), so my review for gaming might be negatively affected and not how others perceive it.

I will obviously play with it, but I have my reservations...

Like with my brief first impressions, I'd give the MD a 9 in sound quality when I slightly press them to my ears, and a 7/7.5 when I just put them on normally.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/27/13 at 2:12pm
post #4579 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Got Matt's Mad Dogs (with Alpha Pads) as a loaner.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

First impressions: Holy crap, they are stupid comfy. Seriously, that comfort is like 9/10. The pads feel amazing. The comfort strap is VERY welcome.

Getting a good seal for me isn't easy with my ears and these pads. I would prefer stronger clamp, as just barely pressing the cups to my ears gives me a good seal and sound improves quite a bit. As it stands, it feels a little loose, and voices sound slightly sibilant, and bass isn't strong. So without holding the cups, I feel I lost a little SQ. It's like two different headphones depending on clamp.

I could definitely tell these are quite stellar, assuming you can get a really tight seal and good enough clamp.

The sound signature definitely sounds like a less refined, closed LCD2. Assuming you get a GREAT seal, this is a pretty solid, cheaper alternative. Still, you can hear the refinement/improvement when jumping from the MD to the LCD2. No question. A cleaner, smoother sound, with quite a bit more air and dimensionality. Voices are more natural than the MD too. Mid forwardness is similar, so I must say, LOVE the tonal balance on the Mad Dogs.

Not a fan of the alpha pads due to the lack of 'give' they have. I would have loved for them to mold on the face, so the seal would improve more, ah well. I wonder how the dog pads are in comparison? I really do want a fair bit more clamp. I have to ask Matt if he bent them for less clamp.

Don't get me wrong. Assuming I get a tighter clamp, these are easily the best closed headphones I have ever heard outside of the D7000. They are a STEAL at $300. No doubt about it. I wouldn't QUESTION owning these if I needed a closed headphone, if it gave me the sound that they give me when I just barely hold them to my ears.

And yes, I would actually choose these over the HE-400, again, if the clamp was stronger, and I could manage to get it to sound like when I press the cups to my ears just a little. Why? Because it does sound like a baby/closed LCD2. Not quite there, but for $300, you can't expect it to be.

Also, gotta mention, these should fit ANY head. There is a lot of extension here. Very appreciated.

Consider me a believer in the MDs, despite a few caveats, and it not quite reaching LCD2 status.

 

Just a quick bit of feedback - I bent the headband in on mine after Dan showed me how he does it - much better clamp, and essentially adjustable to your individual noggin.  Don't bend Matt's though...  Dan now bends all of them before he sends them out.  Big difference.  I got to compare mine (unbent) with a couple of Dan's pairs (bent adjusted) at the SF Bay meet - much better, more comfy, better seal, better bass, sound stage, isolation, detail.  Also, the Alpha Pads seem to soften up a little with time, but not that much, which is good, at least for me.  They are an order of magnitude softer than the J$'s I had for my D7000's.  The J$'s were STIFF!

 

Agree with the rest of your assessments, pretty much completely (note that my LCD2 experience is in a meet setting, but I spent some time with a few pairs there).  I liked the LCD2's better, but not 3x or 4x the price better.  For the money, I'll take the MD's over the LCD2's.  In the long run, I like the MD's a bit better than my departed D7000's.  The only things I feel the D7000's had over the MD's were bass impact (boosted), a bit of refinement and if you like sparkle, sparkle in the treble.  I actually prefer the MD's treble a bit, as I like the treble just ever so rolled off - much like the HD650, Shure SE530, 1964 Ears quads.

 

EDIT to note that I changed source and amp from a high end Headroom UDA with the DPS to much more modest iBasso PB2/DB2 rig as well when the D7000's left, which could definitely account for the refinement.  I recall being pretty amazed by a couple of high end amps (and amazingly, AMB's little mini3) at the meet.  I don't think the MD's give up refinement to the D7000's when run through a high end source and amp.  Don't get me wrong though - I loved the D7000, and to me, the MD's are more like them than different.  At 1/2 to 1/3 the price.


Edited by aamefford - 3/27/13 at 2:37pm
post #4580 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Got Matt's Mad Dogs (with Alpha Pads) as a loaner.

First impressions: Holy crap, they are stupid comfy. Seriously, that comfort is like 9/10. The pads feel amazing. The comfort strap is VERY welcome.

Getting a good seal for me isn't easy with my ears and these pads. I would prefer stronger clamp, as just barely pressing the cups to my ears gives me a good seal and sound improves quite a bit. As it stands, it feels a little loose, and voices sound slightly sibilant, and bass isn't strong. So without holding the cups, I feel I lost a little SQ. It's like two different headphones depending on clamp.
........ (Click to show)

 

I could definitely tell these are quite stellar, assuming you can get a really tight seal and good enough clamp.

The sound signature definitely sounds like a less refined, closed LCD2. Assuming you get a GREAT seal, this is a pretty solid, cheaper alternative. Still, you can hear the refinement/improvement when jumping from the MD to the LCD2. No question. A cleaner, smoother sound, with quite a bit more air and dimensionality. Voices are more natural than the MD too. Mid forwardness is similar, so I must say, LOVE the tonal balance on the Mad Dogs.

Not a fan of the alpha pads due to the lack of 'give' they have. I would have loved for them to mold on the face, so the seal would improve more, ah well. I wonder how the dog pads are in comparison? I really do want a fair bit more clamp. I have to ask Matt if he bent them for less clamp.

Don't get me wrong. Assuming I get a tighter clamp, these are easily the best closed headphones I have ever heard outside of the D7000. They are a STEAL at $300. No doubt about it. I wouldn't QUESTION owning these if I needed a closed headphone, if it gave me the sound that they give me when I just barely hold them to my ears.

And yes, I would actually choose these over the HE-400, again, if the clamp was stronger, and I could manage to get it to sound like when I press the cups to my ears just a little. Why? Because it does sound like a baby/closed LCD2. Not quite there, but for $300, you can't expect it to be.

Also, gotta mention, these should fit ANY head. There is a lot of extension here. Very appreciated.

Consider me a believer in the MDs, despite a few caveats, and it not quite reaching LCD2 status.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

Just a quick bit of feedback - I bent the headband in on mine after Dan showed me how he does it - much better clamp, and essentially adjustable to your individual noggin.  Don't bend Matt's though...  Dan now bends all of them before he sends them out.  Big difference.  I got to compare mine (unbent) with a couple of Dan's pairs (bent adjusted) at the SF Bay meet - much better, more comfy, better seal, better bass, sound stage, isolation, detail.  Also, the Alpha Pads seem to soften up a little with time, but not that much, which is good, at least for me.  They are an order of magnitude softer than the J$'s I had for my D7000's.  The J$'s were STIFF!

 

........ (Click to show)

 

Agree with the rest of your assessments, pretty much completely (note that my LCD2 experience is in a meet setting, but I spent some time with a few pairs there).  I liked the LCD2's better, but not 3x or 4x the price better.  For the money, I'll take the MD's over the LCD2's.  In the long run, I like the MD's a bit better than my departed D7000's.  The only things I feel the D7000's had over the MD's were bass impact (boosted), a bit of refinement and if you like sparkle, sparkle in the treble.  I actually prefer the MD's treble a bit, as I like the treble just ever so rolled off - much like the HD650, Shure SE530, 1964 Ears quads.

 

EDIT to note that I changed source and amp from a high end Headroom UDA with the DPS to much more modest iBasso PB2/DB2 rig as well when the D7000's left, which could definitely account for the refinement.  I recall being pretty amazed by a couple of high end amps (and amazingly, AMB's little mini3) at the meet.  I don't think the MD's give up refinement to the D7000's when run through a high end source and amp.  Don't get me wrong though - I loved the D7000, and to me, the MD's are more like them than different.  At 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

 

 

 

I'd have to agree here that I think you could get a decent clamp by bending the headband but shouldn't since it increases the wear on the headband and could be difficult to get back to Matt's adjustment.  I'm glad you like them.

post #4581 of 6388

Ordered Sunday night, and my MD+Alphas got here today. I was expecting a tracking number and didn't even know they had shipped -- expected them next week, hahah. These alphas pads are marvelous. Will be listening a lot with an ODAC+C5 over the next few days.

post #4582 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

It doesn't have to be significantly clampy. It just needs, a little more. That would make them really sound like the LCD2 to me, with an obvious difference in refinement.

Tomorrow, I will have my vegan LCD2, a leather LCD2, and the MD on hand. Pretty sure with slightly more clamp, the MD will bear a pretty good resemblance to the leather LCD2.

But yes, the Mad Dogs are amazing for the price, and will be my first go to if I need a closed headphone in the future. I'd just have to bend the arms in a bit.

 

The clamp is very easy and safe to adjust, the internal spring metal is very durable.  In the past I left the phones alone, but starting last month we increased the standard clamp force a little to ensure a better seal.

 

I can do a Youtube, but all you have to do is grasp both sides of the radius in the headband right above each earcup and bend in until you feel the spring "set."  Repeat for the other side.

post #4583 of 6388
Can you post a vid? I'll ask for Matt's permission before trying it myself, of course.
post #4584 of 6388
I will volunteer to be the dummy. If I am grabbing both sides above the earcup, it's not clear to me how or why I would need to do something similar to another side. I guess it's not clear what I would be repeating.
post #4585 of 6388

A video is on YouTube here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHtaO5zRAAE

 

We made the switch to increase clamping force very soon after starting to ship new phones with Alpha Pads.  Matt had upgraded to Alpha Pads so unless he adjusted them they were at the original factory bend.

 

Thanks Mad Lust for your kind words.  I hope you enjoy them even more with an optimized fit.  :-)

post #4586 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

Got Matt's Mad Dogs (with Alpha Pads) as a loaner.

Consider me a believer in the MDs, despite a few caveats, and it not quite reaching LCD2 status.

How is the resolution compared to the LCD-2? How about detail extraction?

post #4587 of 6388
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How is the resolution compared to the LCD-2? How about detail extraction?
I would like to know as well
post #4588 of 6388

Anyone have a comparison between Stax Pads and Alpha Pads?
 

post #4589 of 6388
I won't have much time to compare them until Sunday, and my brief impression was just that, brief. I could only note that the LCD2 was more dimensional, cleaner sounding, and smoother. Lots of that has to do with the open vs closed difference, which makes it hard to compare directly. I hate to compare a closed headphone with an open one regardless. Open wins every time for me.

I prefer to wait until the leather LCD2 arrives today, which I believe sounds mode comparable to the MD in warmth and general tone than the vegan, which is a slightly more neutral and airy.
Edited by Mad Lust Envy - 3/28/13 at 12:10am
post #4590 of 6388

I received the Mad Dog 2 days ago with Alpha Pads. A great headphone with about 80% of the sound of LCD2. It has all of it about tonality. It only lacks the airness and dimensionality of LCD2. But it's a closed design and really isolate well. For me it's the best closed headphone in this price range.

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