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If I was to sell my HE-400 and purchase a pair of Mad Dogs, would I find myself disappointed?

 

Things I especially like about the HE-400 is the awesomely deep and textured bass, unreal instrument separation, holographic sound stage, and overall detailed sound. Would I miss any of these attributes if I moved to the mad dogs? I love my HE-400 to death, but it being open means I can't listen to them as much as I would like.

 

Lastly can anybody with an M-stage can comment on how they drive the MD? I know they are quite power hungry, but im not too sure how much power the M-stage spits out.

 

I don't have any issue telling you to buy the MD. The he400 is a great hp, but the MD does not have the fatal flaws that the he400 does. The MD has a very good soundstage for a closed hp, but can't quite match the he400 on that front. But the MD just hits all the check boxes after that....balance, comfort and the mids are something special. 

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I don't have any issue telling you to buy the MD. The he400 is a great hp, but the MD does not have the fatal flaws that the he400 does. The MD has a very good soundstage for a closed hp, but can't quite match the he400 on that front. But the MD just hits all the check boxes after that....balance, comfort and the mids are something special. 

 

How would you rate the MD in comparison to the HE400 at instrument separation and placement, and detail retrieval? Soundstage isn't actually important to me, ie width and depth, but rather how well I can pick out and distinguish instruments is far more important.

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How would you rate the MD in comparison to the HE400 at instrument separation and placement, and detail retrieval? Soundstage isn't actually important to me, ie width and depth, but rather how well I can pick out and distinguish instruments is far more important.

 

If I might chime in...

 

The MDs are more balanced than the 400s. Though very smooth and nice on the ear, I actually hear more details with them than with the 400s. Maybe a "closed-back" advantage?

It's really apparent on the intro of the live version of Calling Elvis (Dire Straits @Royal Albert Hall, 1996). I hear all the details in the background at the very beginning of the track when all my other cans fail.

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If I might chime in...

 

The MDs are more balanced than the 400s. Though very smooth and nice on the ear, I actually hear more details with them than with the 400s. Maybe a "closed-back" advantage?

It's really apparent on the intro of the live version of Calling Elvis (Dire Straits @Royal Albert Hall, 1996). I hear all the details in the background at the very beginning of the track when all my other cans fail.

 

Interesting, thanks. I really would like to try out these headphones without having to sell my HE400s first, if only there was a way to audition a pair.

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Originally Posted by mrspeakers View Post

 

I am pleased to say I've ordered a new external box that replaces the flat rate shipping box and it will reduce the postage considerably.  The boxes arrived last night, and effective immediately the system is updated to support the new box.  Prices vary a bit by destination, but roughly International shipping can be as low as $18 for First Class mail, $39 for Priority (6-10 days), or $45 for Express (3-5 days).  For those who can take the time, International first class may be a good option. The USPS doesn't quote delivery times, and I haven't tried this service, so I can only assume it's 9 days plus...  

 

For Priority Mail, US shipping is now less expensive as well.

 

Forgive me for quoting such an old post, but currently the cheapest option from the Mrspeakers website is Priority Mail International costing $45.45. Has the $18 First Class mail option been retired?

post #3696 of 6388
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

Any more impression on the Meridian Explorer w/ Mad dogs?

 

This please. I'm very curious about it, too.

post #3697 of 6388
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Originally Posted by floeezy View Post

Can anybody compare these to the Audio Technica W1000X? The W1000X is around $150 more than the Mad Dog, so they aren't exactly in the same price range; however, a comparison would be interesting.
 

It's weird that you mention this; I was just looking at the W1000X yesterday (you'll begin to understand how weird that is given the fact that I haven't looked at anything Audio-Technica since buying my second ATH-M50 years ago). They're really great-looking and have pretty good reviews, but I've always been under the impression that the A-T W-line simply can't hold up to its competition in terms of value.

post #3698 of 6388
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

How would you rate the MD in comparison to the HE400 at instrument separation and placement, and detail retrieval? Soundstage isn't actually important to me, ie width and depth, but rather how well I can pick out and distinguish instruments is far more important.

Instrument seperation and placement is the weakest point of MD compare to HE-400, but you get sweet sounding mids in return. 

I find both worth owning. If you want to buy a closed othors or a good mid orthors without sacrificing good mids, Mad Dog is worth owning. But it doesnt have the enegetic and air of HE-400 when you want to dance! (who dance with headphone anyway??)

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Instrument seperation and placement is the weakest point of MD compare to HE-400, but you get sweet sounding mids in return. 

I find both worth owning. If you want to buy a closed othors or a good mid orthors without sacrificing good mids, Mad Dog is worth owning. But it doesnt have the enegetic and air of HE-400 when you want to dance! (who dance with headphone anyway??)

 

 I see, bummer that it's not as good at that, but Im really curious to hear what these sound like.

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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

 I see, bummer that it's not as good at that, but Im really curious to hear what these sound like.

15-day return policy...

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It's weird that you mention this; I was just looking at the W1000X yesterday (you'll begin to understand how weird that is given the fact that I haven't looked at anything Audio-Technica since buying my second ATH-M50 years ago). They're really great-looking and have pretty good reviews, but I've always been under the impression that the A-T W-line simply can't hold up to its competition in terms of value.

 

I always wanted the W1000x and that price is indeed tempting... but... I just bought two headphones from Spider (Moonlight and Power Force) for testing so... Anyway, AT cans usually have very good forward mids ideal for acoustic and vocal tracks, from what I've read about these, they should do good also with pop music as they do have apparent bass but highs are a bit more emphatized... I definitely would like to have these... But in the meantime, will stick with my current phones...

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Usually, distortion on the high gain channel is indicative of being underpowered. If you're using the stock 13.5v/200mA power supply that's usually recommended for it, or batteries, you're gonna get distortion. I had the same thing happen, but then I upgraded to a 20v/500mA power supply and no longer had a problem.

Another possible source of distortion/clipping would be having the volume of your computer/player too high, but that would be equally audible on both gain settings...

There are opamps (like the one I have) that distort less than the stock one at higher gain levels, but that's a much smaller factor than the two possibilities above.

I am using a 16VAC 400mA power supply with my O2 and do not appear to be having any issues driving the Mad Dogs.  I also have a 2 Vrms input signal from my DAC feeding the O2.  I think the power supply could be a major factor in why some people are getting drastically different results with the O2.  Now that I am using Mad Dogs instead of ATH-M50s at work, I may step up to a 20VAC 500mA power supply.

 

Edit: Here is a link to a 20VAC 500mA power supply for the O2 from the same manufacturer as my current 16VAC 400mA power supply.

 

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Triad-Magnetics/WAU20-500/?qs=LASUwJSZkDkn6JIHWiQclg%3d%3d

 

The shipping costs almost as much as the power supply.


Edited by sonitus mirus - 2/26/13 at 7:41am
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I dont think that  beaver316  will need it smily_headphones1.gif

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15-day return policy...

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I used to design amps and we used to say an amp is only as good as the power supply.

 

The First Class international had to be shut off because while it would take payment but USPS.com won't process customs forms for First Class so I had to literally go to the post office to ship, and hand complete all the customs paperwork.  It took way too much time...

post #3705 of 6388
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Originally Posted by beaver316 View Post

 

 I see, bummer that it's not as good at that, but Im really curious to hear what these sound like.

 

I wouldn't be worried there.  I don't know whether or not haquocdung has switched out the Dog Pads for the Alpha Pads yet, but I feel the Alpha Pads made a big change with regards to imaging.  I don't own the HE-400, but I do have the HE-6, and while the HE-6 is better than the Mad Dog at pin-point imaging, it doesn't make the Mad Dog sound deficient.  I certainly wouldn't classify separation and placement as a weak point on the MD's.  There are better cans out there, but that doesn't make the MD's bad.

 

Also, to your earlier question, I don't have first-hand experience with the M-Stage, but it's well over Dan's suggested power threshold.  It should be powerful enough to drive the MD's with plenty of authority.

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