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Originally Posted by sonitus mirus View Post

I have a the Sennheiser HD595 and the bass is significantly lacking on these to my ears.  The bass on my Denon D5000 is great, but I can nearly achieve a similar level through modest EQ'ing with the Mad Dogs with Alpha pads.  The bass should be more than adequate, but if you can EQ, there is no question the Mad Dogs would be able to fit the bill with regards to bass quantity.  Also, the closed design of the Mad Dogs is a significant advantage in many ways to a more open pair of headphones, depending on the environment you will be listening to most often.

I use them at home, so isolation isn't an issue.  I was a little worried about getting a closed over an open headphone too.  I was afraid of losing out on openess and an airy sound.

 

Also, which amp do you use with your mad dogs?

post #3587 of 6388

I'm using a Schitt Asgard now at home.

 

Foobar/MOG/Spotify > USB or Optical out (both options are available) > NuForce Icon HDP (powered by LPS-1) pulling duty as a DAC only for now > Asgard

post #3588 of 6388
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Originally Posted by kskwerl View Post

How much more powerful is the E12 than the E07k?
No idea, ask Bowei006, he's the one that let me borrow the E07k, and he's got both. Or at least he will have both once I return the E07k to him... rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

It's not all that bad, but it does make the Mad Dog overly thick and syrupy... if you are into that.


I'd agree that O2 is very neutral. E12? Not so much. I have tried E12 with a lot of headphones... and I'm sure you can ask any other E12 owner to see if E12 is a neutral amp. In essence, E12 is probably more neutral than other Fiio amps, but it's very far from transparent... or even clean. There is a very slight emphasis in the lower midrange, and the overall sound is a bit on the mellow side.

I'm not against some slight added warmth in order to smooth out the music, but... it was really overly warm and dark to me.

And yes, I have tried both amps with other headphones. See here for some impressions:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/649174/review-fiio-e12-comparison-to-c-c-bh-jds-labs-o2-jds-labs-c421

I didn't mention the Mad Dog, because I didn't really like the presentation out of either of those amps. I tried E12 with 2 different Mad Dogs (one from Dan's table and one from a different room) to make sure it wasn't just me.

Maybe I had a bad seal with the new pads? I don't know, really... but sincerely, I would still recommend Mad Dog to other people looking for a good closed headphone under $300. I really liked it a lot out of the Meridian Explorer. The sound opened up, and it was only lacking a tiny bit of the articulated bass of the LCD-2. Everything else was equal. Mad Dog + Meridian Explorer is still less than the price of a used LCD-2, so I think it's some serious value.


The C&C BH did a pretty good job. I preferred Output 1 to keep the thick, syrupy mid of the Mad Dog. Switching SF and LF to On helped cleaning the sound for me, and brought the sound signature to something more natural, but the lush/smoothness was retained because I think that's how Mad Dog was originally intended to be.

It's not perfect, of course. I think I still prefer the Meridian Explorer... (sorry to sound like a broken record, but it does sound pretty good out of the DAC), but for a portable setup, I'd say C&C BH is the better fit for Mad Dog than other amps.

And you can see very clearly I don't rate C&C BH very highly against E12 or O2 for any other headphone. I just think Mad Dog is a special case.
Hmm, like I said, I was just going by what Bowei006 said, I haven't actually heard the E12 in person. I've heard the O2 though and I must say I really liked that. To each their own I guess. By the way, I like your music selections you chose to review with biggrin.gif
post #3589 of 6388
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Originally Posted by sonitus mirus View Post

I'm using a Schitt Asgard now at home.

 

Foobar/MOG/Spotify > USB or Optical out (both options are available) > NuForce Icon HDP (powered by LPS-1) pulling duty as a DAC only for now > Asgard

Thanks.  I'm not very experienced at EQing, but if only a little eq is needed to get nearly d5000 level bass out of these then I think thats plenty enough.  And I get great mids out of these two.

 

lol, just like that I'm leaning more towards the Mad Dogs now.  One last question, how do you guys feel about the mad dogs treble?  Does it have at least some sparkle too it?

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I kinda think the 6Moons reviews are pretty pandering, and devoid of much useful. That said, I have used them to support (justify) buying something I wanted at least once or twice ; >)
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Originally Posted by mikewr View Post

Which improves more with better equipment?  Any chance you've heard the Mad Dogs on the magni?  I know you have your fancy Lyr, but I just have my little Magni biggrin.gif.  I think since the Mad Dogs are harder to drive, maybe the differnece in bass is a little more noticible on the Magni than on the lyr?

 

The MD scales pretty well. The new Alpha pads are actually a little more efficient...about 2db according to Dan iirc. I just listened to the MD last weekend on the magni/modi and it was a very good pairing. There was a touch more bass on the lry though. 

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The D5000 is very fun, and they excel with some music.

 

This is one of my fun lists with the D5000's, and these sound very good with the Mad Dogs just by dropping the 1K-3K frequencies by about 2 dB and leaving everything else flat.

 

Tech Step

post #3593 of 6388
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

Nooooo. 6moons isn't BS flowery jargon. It's clear, concise and understandable. By all means, if you don't get it, well, uh, 
you ain't no audiophool-phile

I truly understand that the MD will get big press and have boosted sales. I am just looking from the outside,
it's not really necessary. As displayed by the couple hundred pages of critique and praise within this very thread.

Those who allow themselves to be persuaded by 6moons/Cnet, etc type of reviews, well, er, good on 'em! Or something. wink.gif
Fwew! I was worried there for a bit!
post #3594 of 6388

cool, thanks for thehelp you guys.

post #3595 of 6388
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Originally Posted by mikewr View Post

Thanks!  Which amp do you use with the mad dogs?

 

Currently using Schiit Magni at work.

Lehman BCL at home.

 

They sound great on both.

post #3596 of 6388

Has anyone compared the Mad Dogs to the DT770 PRO LE? I might need to go to the NY meet if I can hear them there.

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Originally Posted by teofilrocks View Post

Has anyone compared the Mad Dogs to the DT770 PRO LE? I might need to go to the NY meet if I can hear them there.

I have the DT770 PRO LE and I just got the MD with Alpha pads yesterday,  I haven't really done comparisons in the past, but here's my initial comparison:

 

DT770 PRO LE - mids are much more recessed and highs are much brighter compared to MD,  more V shaped FR, easier to drive w/o amp. bass can be boomy and overwhelming with some music though.  Details and clarity (in midrange) often lose the battle to bass and treble, but for certain songs (genres) it's really fun and enjoyable, so, I'm keeping it. Very comfortable btw.

 

MD w/alpha pads - not flat, but compared to DT770 LE sounds way more linear, needs much more power than DT770LE.  Much cleaner and detailed w/o all the sometimes fatiguing high end compared to DT770LE.  They are not "bass light" in my opinion.  If you feed them bass (via eq or amp bass boost) they will deliver, but even without boost or eq,  they seem to give just what's needed in most songs I've listened to so far (I don't use eq or bass boost).  If you have mid-aphobia, you may not like them, but they also may make you realize how much music and natural sound (detail)  is located in the mid region.  More comfortable than DT770LE to me.

 

I'm keeping both hps, but the MD's will be on my head 95% or more of the time.  I apologize if my descriptions are not really technically detailed.  I hope  this info was helpful.  Good Luck!

post #3598 of 6388
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Originally Posted by aamefford View Post

I kinda think the 6Moons reviews are pretty pandering, and devoid of much useful. That said, I have used them to support (justify) buying something I wanted at least once or twice ; >)

Unfortunately a lot of the more established review sites have to pander to their interests. In general they always say flowery things and keep criticism to a minimum. You really need to dig into a forum and get more critical reviews of a piece of equipment. With that said, Cnet is a pretty good amount of exposure for the mad dogs, and I want to hear a official response from the man himself! 

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Originally Posted by beedee View Post

I have the DT770 PRO LE and I just got the MD with Alpha pads yesterday,  I haven't really done comparisons in the past, but here's my initial comparison:

 

DT770 PRO LE - mids are much more recessed and highs are much brighter compared to MD,  more V shaped FR, easier to drive w/o amp. bass can be boomy and overwhelming with some music though.  Details and clarity (in midrange) often lose the battle to bass and treble, but for certain songs (genres) it's really fun and enjoyable, so, I'm keeping it. Very comfortable btw.

 

MD w/alpha pads - not flat, but compared to DT770 LE sounds way more linear, needs much more power than DT770LE.  Much cleaner and detailed w/o all the sometimes fatiguing high end compared to DT770LE.  They are not "bass light" in my opinion.  If you feed them bass (via eq or amp bass boost) they will deliver, but even without boost or eq,  they seem to give just what's needed in most songs I've listened to so far (I don't use eq or bass boost).  If you have mid-aphobia, you may not like them, but they also may make you realize how much music and natural sound (detail)  is located in the mid region.  More comfortable than DT770LE to me.

 

I'm keeping both hps, but the MD's will be on my head 95% or more of the time.  I apologize if my descriptions are not really technically detailed.  I hope  this info was helpful.  Good Luck!

 

Great comments. Impressive for a first comparison. You don't need to get into gruesome details, but I think you gave enough to get a good impression. It's been a long time since I've heard the DT770, and I've never heard the limited edition, but I've heard a lot. Any comments on the soundstage? 

 

Also, I think your comments about the midrange are just dead on. The Hifiman and Mad Dog headphones really bring out details in the midrange that are hard to describe. 

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^^ I agree. The comparison is good. I owned the dt770 quite a long time ago but that's how I remember it. 

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