^^ lol...true that. Because these are an ortho and a significant amount of "modding material" has been used to achieve their sound signature, they are harder to drive than other headphones. This does not mean that another "better" amp will just make them louder. It means that the right amp will help to realize their potential. This typically means a more refined sound with better dynamics. Not more bass, but more realistic bass with a more natural visceral impact. Bass drum sounds more like a bass drum.