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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

 

The DIY version means you can change the OP amps by yourself. so you can DIY the sound by yourself, also we may provide customize laser printing for the DIY version, and it will be limited edition.  so this model should be call E12D. for the price, it is too early to decide it will be $101 or $199 because

 

the design has not finished. but for most poeple who buy the comercial version. the price will be reasonable.

 

Noted that FiiO's portable amps line up will includes 3 basic universal model, E6-E11-E12, with a special model which only support iPhone, before is E1, now we have a new model E02i, so E12 will be the eldest brother.


What about making a iphone/ipod dac?  frown.gif

post #62 of 116
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What about making a iphone/ipod dac?  frown.gif

IT costs a lot of money to get Apple's decryption keys or the lisence itself or whatever Apple requires for you to be able to to use the PROPRIETARY dock to bypass the custom DAC used in the iPhone. 

 

How much is unknown but current devices are $500+. It's a lot cheaper for desktop though. Somehow the desktop bypassers availble are plentiful and around the $100 range....which does give me or introduce to me some....idea's that it may not cost that much.

 

There is only the VAMP, HPP1, CLAS for the portable category as of this moment, and all 3 are trying to be at the top of it's game. We have the super good looking and featureful and swiss army VAMP(iPhone 4/4S only I believe), the CLAS which is the audiophile purist with only just a DAC and lets you use the other expensive external amp you want and the HP-P1 by FOSTEX which has also got to prove itself in the realm again and overstepping the CLAS by adding an amp to theirs as $500 to many already drained them.

 

But considering the desktops are only $100....... I think markets that FiiO can step in are a PMP and this one(portable iPod and or Android DAC and amp). The PMP is extremely hard as you can't have a T51 that has build and reliability and buy problems. It has to be a legit device full of our dreams.... I have talked to or answered many users in the market for one. They have $250 and wonder what to get. So many options, but no perfect one. It is easy but at the same time hard money. You can add all those features, but then theres designing and engineering it and intergrating everything to work, then support and etc etc. The X3 if I remmber by FiiO was a canceled PMP project. If it restarted I would buy one. 

post #63 of 116
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

IT costs a lot of money to get Apple's decryption keys or the lisence itself or whatever Apple requires for you to be able to to use the PROPRIETARY dock to bypass the custom DAC used in the iPhone. 

 

How much is unknown but current devices are $500+. It's a lot cheaper for desktop though. Somehow the desktop bypassers availble are plentiful and around the $100 range....which does give me or introduce to me some....idea's that it may not cost that much.

 

There is only the VAMP, HPP1, CLAS for the portable category as of this moment, and all 3 are trying to be at the top of it's game. We have the super good looking and featureful and swiss army VAMP(iPhone 4/4S only I believe), the CLAS which is the audiophile purist with only just a DAC and lets you use the other expensive external amp you want and the HP-P1 by FOSTEX which has also got to prove itself in the realm again and overstepping the CLAS by adding an amp to theirs as $500 to many already drained them.

 

But considering the desktops are only $100....... I think markets that FiiO can step in are a PMP and this one(portable iPod and or Android DAC and amp). The PMP is extremely hard as you can't have a T51 that has build and reliability and buy problems. It has to be a legit device full of our dreams.... I have talked to or answered many users in the market for one. They have $250 and wonder what to get. So many options, but no perfect one. It is easy but at the same time hard money. You can add all those features, but then theres designing and engineering it and intergrating everything to work, then support and etc etc. The X3 if I remmber by FiiO was a canceled PMP project. If it restarted I would buy one. 

 

We need to apply MFi licence from Apple, but it is nothing about money because it is not a big deal compare about the BOM cost. the problem is that Apple don't like to give the permission to Chinese Brand/Company/Factory, I can understand that

 

because some chinese bad guys cheat Apple about the quantity they produce. 

 

In fact, we start applied the MFi licence in 3 years ago, but nothing change, and with Android phone, it may be a good options as a portable digital music source,  the market will bigger and we don't need to apply licence from anyone.

 

 

So, it is nothing about money , it is about the attitude of Western company. I can't complain that because I know it is fact , but I hope FiiO can change a little, at least we will like to follow the rule and make some innovative products in affordable

 

price and very high quality.  

post #64 of 116
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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

 

We need to apply MFi licence from Apple, but it is nothing about money because it is not a big deal compare about the BOM cost. the problem is that Apple don't like to give the permission to Chinese Brand/Company/Factory, I can understand that

 

because some chinese bad guys cheat Apple about the quantity they produce. 

 

In fact, we start applied the MFi licence in 3 years ago, but nothing change, and with Android phone, it may be a good options as a portable digital music source,  the market will bigger and we don't need to apply licence from anyone.

 

 

So, it is nothing about money , it is about the attitude of Western company. I can't complain that because I know it is fact , but I hope FiiO can change a little, at least we will like to follow the rule and make some innovative products in affordable

 

price and very high quality.  

I actually thought and had a feeling that being Chinese put a dent in it but didn't know if it was true or I should add it in, but yes. 

 

It has been debated but is the MFi a lisence to just be able to build it or does it have decryption codes or things that could be leaked? If Android ends up getting stable OTG output support then I might just get one next.

 

But a good dedicated PMP is still needed as Android devices don't come close to what people want in a PMP on here, but I can also see that it may cost too much and not be worth it to produce such a niche device. But I know nothing about the niche market and exactly how big it is. You guys are probably the most "popular" audiophile niche company availble so you guys know better about this.

post #65 of 116
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

But a good dedicated PMP is still needed as Android devices don't come close to what people want in a PMP on here, but I can also see that it may cost too much and not be worth it to produce such a niche device. But I know nothing about the niche market and exactly how big it is. You guys are probably the most "popular" audiophile niche company availble so you guys know better about this.
The nice thing about Android is that you do not need to have a dedicated PMP; if you have the ability to use an external (portable) DAC, then you can use the device both as a phone and as a DAP. Same is true for the iPhone.
post #66 of 116
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Thank you for the news FiiO! I've been practically living on Head-Fi right now, and I just go and reply to threads that appear on my list. The E17 thread shows up frequently.

 

Now, I've been getting asked this CONSTANTLY by members with E17's that are exhibiting problems or are worrying about warranty. I see there is an updated warranty on your site.

http://fiio.com.cn/about/Asissit.aspx?MenuID=020902

 

I'm not sure when it was updated or what the previous one before it was but my idea of your warranty and aid before the whole counterfeit fiasco was this:

Buy local or from an authorized dealer in your country. If any problems, go first to the local level. They are faster and are in your country. If they can not get it fixed, FiiO will deal with the problem personally by asking them to please deal with the problem. Lastly if the device in question can not go on the local or regional level, the device will be sent to FiiO HQ in China (at owners own expense) and FiiO will fix it and send it back free. However as this is in China, it will take too long and so FiiO likes to prefer to keep things regionally.

 

This is what you told me half a year ago.: Now with that updated warranty page, which I'm not sure when you updated it, I think you guys are saying this:

Buy from Authorized dealers only, FiiO will not provide support if you do not buy from an authorized dealer. If you bought from deal extremem or some company that is not official and the device breaks, FiiO is not responsible for it. Even if the device is real, as the device was bought by another person, per the limited warranty terms, the warranty is not transferable to any other person.

 

 

 

 

If you do buy from an authorized dealer and problems arise, the above first thing I posted on contacting local and or regional agents and authorized dealer you purchased from would be best.

 


Would this be correct? I have had a few questions asked about it and am confused myself on your new warranty stance.

 

The warranty policy is a basic term, but usually we will provide better service than what we list. FiiO will be the brand you can trust if you have any problem about our products, but we do hope all you can support us, like buy FiiO amps from our authorized agents who listed in our website.

post #67 of 116
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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

 

The warranty policy is a basic term, but usually we will provide better service than what we list. FiiO will be the brand you can trust if you have any problem about our products, but we do hope all you can support us, like buy FiiO amps from our authorized agents who listed in our website.

I will only buy my E12 from one of your authorized dealers, that I can guarantee.

I hope other Head-Fier's will also do the same.

 

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post #68 of 116
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Originally Posted by TrollDragon View Post

I will only buy my E12 from one of your authorized dealers, that I can guarantee.

I hope other Head-Fier's will also do the same.

 

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Thanks for your support, it will good for everyone. 

post #69 of 116
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Originally Posted by feiao View Post

 

Thanks for your support, it will good for everyone. 

 

when will the e12 released?

post #70 of 116
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Originally Posted by jacknight View Post

when will the e12 released?

 

 

Yes, curious minds want to know.

post #71 of 116
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Originally Posted by HeatFan12 View Post

 

 

Yes, curious minds want to know.

It seems from James discussion in this thread that they have barely started yet sadly :(

post #72 of 116
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They already have good idea of what kind of circuit to go for, but the most important bit, the power supply, has yet to be determined. Though most discussion people have in the forum is always on the opamp, the actual critical section of the amp actually starts from having a very solid power section. The more robust the power section, the better the amp will be. The problem with E12, is that FiiO knows what kind of battery type will give the best performance, but they will also add a lot of weight, take up space and require complex implementation. So they are still looking for suitable alternative with lesser compromise. If only we all were going to be happy on carrying a brick size amp, the E12 would have in production already.
post #73 of 116
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

They already have good idea of what kind of circuit to go for, but the most important bit, the power supply, has yet to be determined. Though most discussion people have in the forum is always on the opamp, the actual critical section of the amp actually starts from having a very solid power section. The more robust the power section, the better the amp will be. The problem with E12, is that FiiO knows what kind of battery type will give the best performance, but they will also add a lot of weight, take up space and require complex implementation. So they are still looking for suitable alternative with lesser compromise. If only we all were going to be happy on carrying a brick size amp, the E12 would have in production already.

The sleek nature of the E12 in those pictures looks very nice! I would not like a brick amp. Carrying the E17 gave me new thoughts. It was too thick.

post #74 of 116
As long as E12 is easy to charge and comes complete ready to run (meaning no purchasing of extra battery's or wall charger) I'll be good to go. I hate buying battery's and if they were to use X2 9V battery's I would turn away quickly. 9V battery's are soooo 1980's also they require terrible charging times so I'm glad that's not really being considered.
post #75 of 116
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

They already have good idea of what kind of circuit to go for, but the most important bit, the power supply, has yet to be determined. Though most discussion people have in the forum is always on the opamp, the actual critical section of the amp actually starts from having a very solid power section. The more robust the power section, the better the amp will be. The problem with E12, is that FiiO knows what kind of battery type will give the best performance, but they will also add a lot of weight, take up space and require complex implementation. So they are still looking for suitable alternative with lesser compromise. If only we all were going to be happy on carrying a brick size amp, the E12 would have in production already.

 

 

And if it is a brick size, there are already so many amps in the market, we need bring someting better to our fans, a sexy, high performance amps which can really drive 99% headphone inlcudes DT880. 

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