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Well that's just the thing - nobody knows how much of an improvement (if any) we will see in practice. Because you're right when you say that the Miracle/Merlin/plenty of other high end customs already sound fantastic.

 

The idea is the same as it is with active crossovers in speaker systems. Basically you've got the spectrum being separated into the appropriate range for each driver, maximizing clarity and minimizing any crossover induced distortion. 

 

How will it play out in real life? Will it sound clearly better than a Miracle? Will the UM box, with it's all in one approach, be able to outperform a dedicated high end transport/DAC/amp setup? Only time will tell. 

 

Great post project86!  There are loudspeaker manufacturers that use active vs. passive crossovers and they aren't considered the best speakers.  I have heard some stunningly realistic speakers that use passive crossovers, but due to size constraints, CIEM crossovers have limitations so I am very interested in hearing what an active crossover can do.

 

My thought about how I would test it is use the coax out from the DX100 (or the Musiland Monitor O1 us -> external DAC) and then I can A/B easily both the Pure 6 active vs. passive and the Pure 6 vs. other CIEMs.

post #47 of 486
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What would potentially change or improve compared to the miracles ? Lets just say the new 6 BA CIEM is tuned like the miracle ? Instrumental seperation is already topnotch in my opinion.

I will speak for JH-3A which isnt exactly same, but still quite similliar.

 

With JH-3A my JH16 sounds better than I ever heard them on any high-end rigs (SPL Phonitor + Vincent S5, Leben CS300 + Lektor Air, Zama HPA1 + Vincent S5, Audio GD Phoenix  Reference One, Casea Lyra,...). Maybe there will be some really great rig that will outperform JH-3A, but not for that 700$ you pay for JH-3a on top of JH16.

 

So this device will not make Customs better than Miracle, but it will be like top customs on high-end rig.

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I will speak for JH-3A which isnt exactly same, but still quite similliar.

 

With JH-3A my JH16 sounds better than I ever heard them on any high-end rigs (SPL Phonitor + Vincent S5, Leben CS300 + Lektor Air, Zama HPA1 + Vincent S5, Audio GD Phoenix  Reference One, Casea Lyra,...). Maybe there will be some really great rig that will outperform JH-3A, but not for that 700$ you pay for JH-3a on top of JH16.

 

So this device will not make Customs better than Miracle, but it will be like top customs on high-end rig.

 

How did you come to this conclusion based on what you wrote?  Not only is this spec'd better using active and not passive crossovers, it hasn't even been released yet but you know how it sounds?  Sounds more like a defense of the 3A than a reasoned advocacy for it. 

post #49 of 486

I'm not defending JH-3A, he asked how will this device helps customs. So I just explained what similiar device did with JH16 and that Unique Melody device will hopefully have same effect on their customs.

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I'm not defending JH-3A, he asked how will this device helps customs. So I just explained what similiar device did with JH16 and that Unique Melody device will hopefully have same effect on their customs.


The jh3a uses passive crossovers, so it's not a similar device to a true active crossover system.

post #51 of 486

only slightly off topic anyone have too much spare time to convert their multi driver iems to active?
 

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thanks joe for the information, was gonna order my JH3A within these few days, guess i'll lay it down for a while and see how this goes :) 

post #53 of 486
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Great post project86!  There are loudspeaker manufacturers that use active vs. passive crossovers and they aren't considered the best speakers.  I have heard some stunningly realistic speakers that use passive crossovers, but due to size constraints, CIEM crossovers have limitations so I am very interested in hearing what an active crossover can do.

 

 

 

That's true. Somehow we've ended up with a system where "audiophile" speakers are expected to be passive, and "professional" speakers for studio work are active. Thus, more speakers with 5 and 6 figure price tags tend to be passive.

 

But you do still see plenty of really high end, really well regarded speakers that happen to be active: Meridian DSP8000 ($50k), Avantgarde Solo ($13k), ATC SCM50 ($27k), Adam Tensor Beta ($31k), Goldmund Epilogue 1 ($60k), Westlake SM 1 ($175k), etc etc. 

 

I'm not one of those people who insist that active is always better and passive must sound like crap. Both can sound amazing when done right. I guess I'd say that all things being equal, active has more potential. And that's about what we are hoping to find out in this case - will the Platform Pure 6 be an improvement on a good DAC, amp, and a "regular" UM Miracle? 

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How did you come to this conclusion based on what you wrote?  Not only is this spec'd better using active and not passive crossovers, it hasn't even been released yet but you know how it sounds?  Sounds more like a defense of the 3A than a reasoned advocacy for it. 

 

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I'm not defending JH-3A, he asked how will this device helps customs. So I just explained what similiar device did with JH16 and that Unique Melody device will hopefully have same effect on their customs.

 

Bina, did you mean "So this device will not make Customs better than Miracle, but it will be like top customs on high-end rig?"  I too don't understand how you came to the conclusion that if the JH-3A is better than any other stand alone device you have heard, the Pure 6 won't be.  I can see that if the passive crossover is in the JH-3A box it can be much more complex and use better components, improving phase performance.

 

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That's true. Somehow we've ended up with a system where "audiophile" speakers are expected to be passive, and "professional" speakers for studio work are active. Thus, more speakers with 5 and 6 figure price tags tend to be passive.

 

But you do still see plenty of really high end, really well regarded speakers that happen to be active: Meridian DSP8000 ($50k), Avantgarde Solo ($13k), ATC SCM50 ($27k), Adam Tensor Beta ($31k), Goldmund Epilogue 1 ($60k), Westlake SM 1 ($175k), etc etc. 

 

I'm not one of those people who insist that active is always better and passive must sound like crap. Both can sound amazing when done right. I guess I'd say that all things being equal, active has more potential. And that's about what we are hoping to find out in this case - will the Platform Pure 6 be an improvement on a good DAC, amp, and a "regular" UM Miracle? 

 

Yes, true.  The speakers I am referring to are $200K (Focal Grand Utopia) and need an external amp at additional cost.  I haven't heard the Westlake SM 1 for comparison, so I can't say if that is as good, but I can say I am a Focal fanboy now!  

 

I hope the Pure 6 is a big step up from the Miracle (even though I don't have a Miracle for comparison) and other CIEMs as I am all for pushing the envelope!  I know back in the day the SM3 was the best I had, I knew there was better, but I didn't/couldn't truly imagine how much better the top tier custom IEMs would be (comparing the SM3 with some of them makes me think the SM3 is just not good, lol).

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Awaiting impressions from Mr average_joe and project86.

 

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Gentlemen the eyes of Head-Fi are upon you.

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I don’t understand why so many here on head-fi wants to imply that JHA failed with their 3A amp just because the crossovers is not active? Steep and precise crossover points is not the only important thing in an active system! The phase correction just as important, and that is what the 3A does.  Have you heard the 3A amp?! I have and I can tell you all that it is an amazing amp, and I don’t care for technical specifications I trust my ears. And Jerry trusted his ears and found out that the passive crossovers sounded just as good as the active. There is more to win with active crossovers on speakers since they have to handle more power then a IEM crossover. I am not sure that active crossovers will make so big difference on IEM. But as I said I will not speculate on technical specifications, I will listen…

 

Unfortunately the only thing I have to compare it with that is in the same “league” is a electrostatic system so it is hard for me to make a fair comparison!

 

BUT… I have ordered the Spiral ears 5 way and the Portaphile 627 to compare it with. The source will be CLAS and Charles Altmanns Tera player.

 

I have great respect for Average Joe that builds his judgment on what he hears and not on technical specifications… 

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Have you heard the 3A amp?! I have and I can tell you all that it is an amazing amp, and I don’t care for technical specifications I trust my ears. And Jerry trusted his ears and found out that the passive crossovers sounded just as good as the active.

 

This is not only inaccurate but revisionist history.  If he trusted his ears and they were perfect for the task why did he send out units more than once that needed to be sent back so they could be 'tweaked' and fixed for various anomalies and deficiencies?  Actually he said the passive crossovers sounded BETTER, which happened to coincide with finding out UE wouldn't let him make the active system since he didn't hold the patent.  Odd coincidence.  I remember very well what happened in both threads that got shut down and the whole event is forever scared in some of our memories so much that selective memory and reinterpretation of events is not going to fly here.  

 

He failed to deliver what was promised and failed to deliver to customers that were not only waiting in the wings but had paid all in and waited to the point they needed to get new ear impressions.  I'm sure you're happy with it but others don't want to deal with it or the company so are happy to have alternatives.  Honestly the whole experience of hearing nothing but hype and support by Jerry Harvey fanboys no matter how fast the ship was sinking is what leaves myself and others suspicious.  Not to mention the lack of comprehensive comparisons that fail to elaborate past the 3A being the best thing since sliced bread.  I wish AJ would get a 3A so we could actually get a meaningful, unbiased impression.

 

I look forward to your Portaphile/SE5 comparison if/when you do one.


Edited by Anaxilus - 6/9/12 at 1:46pm
post #58 of 486
Anaxilus, you're a funny man, and I enjoyed your comments. smily_headphones1.gif

When Jerry revealed that he had been working on a redesign and the circumstances surrounding it, I took my money and ran. It was only the largest of way too many prior disappointments that I had already endured.

I'm very pleased to see another entrant into this particular arena, and will be very curious to see how things go with UM.

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Awaiting impressions from Mr average_joe and project86.

 

lozGr_GIF_Collection_of_someone_eating_popcorn-s360x240-181194-580.gif

 

Gentlemen the eyes of Head-Fi are upon you.

 

Wait, why isn't he wearing HD800s with $10,000 worth of amps sitting next to him?

 

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Originally Posted by Lindskog View Post

I don’t understand why so many here on head-fi wants to imply that JHA failed with their 3A amp just because the crossovers is not active? Steep and precise crossover points is not the only important thing in an active system! The phase correction just as important, and that is what the 3A does.  Have you heard the 3A amp?! I have and I can tell you all that it is an amazing amp, and I don’t care for technical specifications I trust my ears. And Jerry trusted his ears and found out that the passive crossovers sounded just as good as the active. There is more to win with active crossovers on speakers since they have to handle more power then a IEM crossover. I am not sure that active crossovers will make so big difference on IEM. But as I said I will not speculate on technical specifications, I will listen…

 

Unfortunately the only thing I have to compare it with that is in the same “league” is a electrostatic system so it is hard for me to make a fair comparison!

 

BUT… I have ordered the Spiral ears 5 way and the Portaphile 627 to compare it with. The source will be CLAS and Charles Altmanns Tera player.

 

I have great respect for Average Joe that builds his judgment on what he hears and not on technical specifications… 

 

I am sure the JH-3A sounds better than the JH16 and I would love to hear it.  I do think complex passive crossovers can be very good with adequate space and high quality components (at least my ears tell me so).  And I know I am excited to hear the Pure 6 to see where it stands as I am sure it will be very good, and active crossovers are the next logical step for companies that can pull it off (and not have patent issues).

 

I am looking forward to your comparisons between the JH-3A and 5-way.  If the JH-3A is like the JH16, there will be significant sound signature differences between that and the 5-way.  Please do post your impressions or at least link to them in the 5-way thread. 

 

And thank you.

 

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This is not only inaccurate but revisionist history.  If he trusted his ears and they were perfect for the task why did he send out units more than once that needed to be sent back so they could be 'tweaked' and fixed for various anomalies and deficiencies?  Actually he said the passive crossovers sounded BETTER, which happened to coincide with finding out UE wouldn't let him make the active system since he didn't hold the patent.  Odd coincidence.  I remember very well what happened in both threads that got shut down and the whole event is forever scared in some of our memories so much that selective memory and reinterpretation of events is not going to fly here.  

 

He failed to deliver what was promised and failed to deliver to customers that were not only waiting in the wings but had paid all in and waited to the point they needed to get new ear impressions.  I'm sure you're happy with it but others don't want to deal with it or the company so are happy to have alternatives.  Honestly the whole experience of hearing nothing but hype and support by Jerry Harvey fanboys no matter how fast the ship was sinking is what leaves myself and others suspicious.  Not to mention the lack of comprehensive comparisons that fail to elaborate past the 3A being the best thing since sliced bread.  I wish AJ would get a 3A so we could actually get a meaningful, unbiased impression.

 

I look forward to your Portaphile/SE5 comparison if/when you do one.

 

Yes, the whole thing was a PR nightmare and many people were not treated right.  I have been through something somewhat similar, but not to that extent with the Pico Slim and will stay away from future Headamp products, so I understand.  But, I would still like to hear the JH-3A.  You have one you can loan me ;)

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It will be interesting to see if UE will try and block the UM being sold in countries where they could theoretically enforce their patent rights. 

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