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post #736 of 2460

I'd be interested in seeing a pix of the battery setup for the dedicated MC Head amp/preamp...I nearly typed "MC Hammer!" rolleyes.gif

post #737 of 2460
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I'd be interested in seeing a pix of the battery setup for the dedicated MC Head amp/preamp...I nearly typed "MC Hammer!" rolleyes.gif

Careful with you wishes -  they might eek.gif come TRUE !

post #738 of 2460

Here's the update on the VPI / Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood struggle:

 

I learned a few things today-- The JMW 9 tonearm has a fine adjustment for the VTF-- there's a weighted set screw down the barrel of the rear of the tonearm which can be adjusted in or out to give fine adjustments to your VTF.  Who knew? 

 

Not that this helped my situation any-- it didn't.  The weight of the set screw wasn't enough to make the cartridge attain its proper VTF.  

 

I did have one huge success-- I fashioned a perfect wedge on my bandsaw out of hard maple.  The wedge gives absolutely perfect compensation for the VTA. Quite a good feeling to install it and see my cartridge dead level to the platter.

 

That success didn't last long.  The weight of the wedge wasn't enough to increase the cartridge to 2.2 grams of VTF.  I got about 1.5 grams with the set screw out of the counterweight end and the counterweight all the way forward.  

 

So I have 2 options at this point-- Use the wedge AND the metal cartridge weight together, stacked under the shell (naturally I don't have cartridge screws long enough to make this happen)-- but this would correct the VTF and bring the VTA into spec.  But I'm also concerned that adding all of these bits and pieces under the shell is going to begin to affect sound quality in a negative way.  

 

The second option is to send the cartridge back and exchange for either the Dynavector 20X2M or the SoundSmith VPI Zephyr MI.  I'm leaning toward this solution because it's simple and it will work.  Anyone have preferences between the two models?  They're pretty close in price.

post #739 of 2460
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Originally Posted by reeltime View Post

Here's the update on the VPI / Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood struggle:

 

I learned a few things today-- The JMW 9 tonearm has a fine adjustment for the VTF-- there's a weighted set screw down the barrel of the rear of the tonearm which can be adjusted in or out to give fine adjustments to your VTF.  Who knew? 

 

Not that this helped my situation any-- it didn't.  The weight of the set screw wasn't enough to make the cartridge attain its proper VTF.  

 

I did have one huge success-- I fashioned a perfect wedge on my bandsaw out of hard maple.  The wedge gives absolutely perfect compensation for the VTA. Quite a good feeling to install it and see my cartridge dead level to the platter.

 

That success didn't last long.  The weight of the wedge wasn't enough to increase the cartridge to 2.2 grams of VTF.  I got about 1.5 grams with the set screw out of the counterweight end and the counterweight all the way forward.  

 

So I have 2 options at this point-- Use the wedge AND the metal cartridge weight together, stacked under the shell (naturally I don't have cartridge screws long enough to make this happen)-- but this would correct the VTF and bring the VTA into spec.  But I'm also concerned that adding all of these bits and pieces under the shell is going to begin to affect sound quality in a negative way.  

 

The second option is to send the cartridge back and exchange for either the Dynavector 20X2M or the SoundSmith VPI Zephyr MI.  I'm leaning toward this solution because it's simple and it will work.  Anyone have preferences between the two models?  They're pretty close in price.

Hmmmm.....

 

As I said, "Muddy Waters" MMs are quite good.

 

If you are aesthetic guy, since you are handy with wood - why not fashion the wedge out of ebony ? Material of choice for instruments almost as old as the hills - would look classy too.

 

If that is in your Man Cave with highly contolled acess just who you do let in - how about adding a blob of Blue Tack ( or similar, the tungsten putty used by fishermen also springs to mind ) - to your headshell, just enough to get your VTF ? It would also have the benefit of damping arm/cart - and you need approx 1 gram only, unlikely to cause any serious "miss whatever". It would at least give you a chance to listen to the cart and see it it is up your alley.

 

Getting the cart screws loooooong enough should not be too great a problem - ebay is your friend. There are non magnetic extra strenght screws available in any lenght. Compare this littlest of hassles to buying a NOS sample of cartridge - JUST to get the plastic super low weight screws you know are included ....

 

There is always the ULTIMATE cartridge weight if you have no other option but to add mass to the cartridge for whatever reason. It is also by far the best sounding. Van Alstine LONGHORN.

http://www.avahifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=258&Itemid=226&74a0ad6b5f7a1df0ef4ab98b8fffbb41=386bab211b01952ab93d59dc16ac9c12

I posted the latest link to the latest original, but there is a description for a DIY Longhorn by Frank Van Alstine himself ( left to the reader as an exercise of finding it on the web ) - and in no way this solution is limited to Grado only. You can use Blue Tack or similar for non permanent/ reversible mod - and if it WOWs you, proceed accordingly. All you have to be careful about is if it interferes with your record clamp/weight ( if any) - if it does, Longhorn usually brings more to the table than clamp/weight.

 

By some clever compromise it is possible to have both - but that usually means a custom weight/clamp. Numerous variations on the theme are possible, use your http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hpbiuro-gI

post #740 of 2460

Glasrubber   the best stylus cleaner ever - that you can still buy : 

 

http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/530166/PB-Fastener-Glass-fibre-cleaning-pin-1152-011

 

Refill pencil :

 

http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/product/530174/PB-Fastener-Replacement-brush-1152-008-x-L-4-mm-x-40-mm

 

US members might try Radio Shack first - they might carry the same/similar under different name. 

 

If it prooves it is extinct in US, you might consider a group buy, to save on shipping/import hassle.No idea if Conrad.de ships across the Pond, but if it does not, I can help. Prices in Slovenia are approx 10-15% more than in Germany, but that should be irrelevant if this prooves to be the only real option. I would not charge a dime for my service, but would require payment in advance.  Just let me know, in case you decide to go for a group buy.

 

Although you would have to own more than the number of carts/styli than myself in order to use up/wear out a single refill, this device is mighty useful for cleaning that odd ( in US particularly..)

rusty metric bolt/nut - couple of strokes and it will be shiny as new. This DOES use the glass fibres very rapidly - so order according to your proposed use and needs. 

post #741 of 2460

Just got an e-mail back from Scott at Elusive Disc.  He's saying the bottom of the cartridge won't align with the record.  VTA on the Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood is set only by aligning the top of the cartrige parallel with the record surface.  One of those things someone might have wanted to include in the instruction manual, ya think?  But it may get lost in the translation, who knows...

 

So with a standard weight I should be good to go.  I'll put it all back together tonight and fire it up.

 

Jeech!

post #742 of 2460
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Originally Posted by reeltime View Post

Just got an e-mail back from Scott at Elusive Disc.  He's saying the bottom of the cartridge won't align with the record.  VTA on the Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood is set only by aligning the top of the cartrige parallel with the record surface.  One of those things someone might have wanted to include in the instruction manual, ya think?  But it may get lost in the translation, who knows...

 

So with a standard weight I should be good to go.  I'll put it all back together tonight and fire it up.

 

Jeech!

Well, in the pilot jargon, I would be the one "flying with his ass". That description is/was customary for the very seasoned/experienced pilots, those who would be capable of relatively safely flying an unknown aircraft. Did not occur to me that you were referring to the bottom of the cart not being parallel to the record at all - I would have probably not recognize it at all, as top of the cart//headshell junction is used as starting point for VTA.

 

Translations can really be a PITA. Fail one CRUCIAL word to translate with the proper real meaning and you are in a place there is no sunshine.

 

Enjoy your firs spin with the new TT!

post #743 of 2460

Great! I'll check out RadioShack, Fry's Electronics and others after lunch for a U.S. equivalent!

post #744 of 2460

A few notes-- With the clarified instructions on VTA, I'm happy to report the Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood is mated and aligned with the VPI Scout-- and it's busy spinning side after side and sounding pretty great.  It falls a little short because my phono stage is not up to par with the rest of the system (Rotel RQ-970BX).  

 

But an interesting note-- Noodling around in my office this morning and I found myself with Brothers in Arms on the platter-- and just for fun I called up my HDTrack version of the album on Fidelia.  The digital chain is USB>>W4S DAC2>>Woo Audio WA5LE>>HD800.  

 

In a direct comparison, the phono was a little more open (airy), slightly brighter, a little less deep (attributing this to the phono stage)... But here's the surprising part-- stepping back a bit-- they were remarkably similar.  Like-- I don't think my wife would be able to tell the difference-- we're talking thisclose.  

 

Of course my computer crashed the first time I called up the track-- so there's ONE big difference.  :-P

post #745 of 2460

The biggest factor here is going to be what cut of Brothers in Arms you have on vinyl. :D

 

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Originally Posted by reeltime View Post

A few notes-- With the clarified instructions on VTA, I'm happy to report the Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood is mated and aligned with the VPI Scout-- and it's busy spinning side after side and sounding pretty great.  It falls a little short because my phono stage is not up to par with the rest of the system (Rotel RQ-970BX).  

 

But an interesting note-- Noodling around in my office this morning and I found myself with Brothers in Arms on the platter-- and just for fun I called up my HDTrack version of the album on Fidelia.  The digital chain is USB>>W4S DAC2>>Woo Audio WA5LE>>HD800.  

 

In a direct comparison, the phono was a little more open (airy), slightly brighter, a little less deep (attributing this to the phono stage)... But here's the surprising part-- stepping back a bit-- they were remarkably similar.  Like-- I don't think my wife would be able to tell the difference-- we're talking thisclose.  

 

Of course my computer crashed the first time I called up the track-- so there's ONE big difference.  :-P

post #746 of 2460
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Originally Posted by reeltime View Post

A few notes-- With the clarified instructions on VTA, I'm happy to report the Clearaudio Virtuoso Wood is mated and aligned with the VPI Scout-- and it's busy spinning side after side and sounding pretty great.  It falls a little short because my phono stage is not up to par with the rest of the system (Rotel RQ-970BX).  

 

But an interesting note-- Noodling around in my office this morning and I found myself with Brothers in Arms on the platter-- and just for fun I called up my HDTrack version of the album on Fidelia.  The digital chain is USB>>W4S DAC2>>Woo Audio WA5LE>>HD800.  

 

In a direct comparison, the phono was a little more open (airy), slightly brighter, a little less deep (attributing this to the phono stage)... But here's the surprising part-- stepping back a bit-- they were remarkably similar.  Like-- I don't think my wife would be able to tell the difference-- we're talking thisclose.  

 

Of course my computer crashed the first time I called up the track-- so there's ONE big difference.  :-P

Ha-ha, I*ve been using Brothers in Arms for the past few days for waking up of one of the Sleeping Beauties ( pics to follow in Post Pic thread ). TT > AGI 511A preamp > Stax SRM1MK2 > Labda Pro. 

 

I "like" the computer with music for the precisely same reason - instead of going with the flow of the moment, you have to be computer guru first/listener second - I doubt I will ever get really comfortable with it.

 

Glad you menaged to set up the Scout/ Virtuoso Wood. Congrats !

post #747 of 2460
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The biggest factor here is going to be what cut of Brothers in Arms you have on vinyl. :D

 

+1.

post #748 of 2460

To really evaluate the sound I'd go all SH.tv investigation style on it. 

 

Check your catalog numbers and figure out which masters you have. Brothers in Arms has had a lot of do-overs over the years.

 

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+1.

post #749 of 2460

Well I bought this record when it came out-- like-- new!  So it's been around a while... (almost 30 years-- crap i'm old)

 

I don't know stamper numbers, but here's what the stamper reads:

 

1-258264-A-SH12 

 

then there's a stamp: MASTERDISK

 

then:

 

RL  O.B.-21167-SH12 SLM (delta symbol) 9536

 

Anyone know what that means?

post #750 of 2460
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

To really evaluate the sound I'd go all SH.tv investigation style on it. 

 

Check your catalog numbers and figure out which masters you have. Brothers in Arms has had a lot of do-overs over the years.

 

I know. I will do no such thing - I like some other Dire Strais albums better. Maybe for them - but I know that the RIGHT pressing has exhorbitant price.

 

My copy of Brothers in Arms is on PGP RTB label - Produkcija Gramofonskih Ploca  Radio Televizija Beograd - RTB for short. From what was then Yugoslavia ( now Serbia ). Vinyl of RTB was ...ahem...quite noisy, and they generally were using pressing masters that were otherwise thought of as being used up, so therefore there is a copy effect here and there.But they WERE real masters - not a second/n-th generation analog tape and re-cut by the end prospective company. It is possible to get better sound on RTB ( with the inevitable noise/copy effects ) than say on German releases of the same album - which may well be much more impeccable in technical sense, but with "tamed" sound. And that was all that was generally available in Europe.

 

It was one hell of a lot price difference back then - you had to import vinyl directly if you wanted an original pressing, running you from two to ten times the price of say RTB pressing. And getting a single LP intact without demage in transport is problem today still, let alone beck in the day.

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