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post #706 of 2619
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Originally Posted by Bogmonster View Post

@ analogsurvivor, thank's for the link.....unfortunately they don't ship to Ireland angry_face.gif I've shopped around and they're pretty much the same price. I decided to go with one. Piece of mind (and good records) are worth it. I may be back with questions. Looks straightforward though. Thanks for all your help and advice.

I've seen in UK/Ireland there is pretty much the same price - too bad that they do not ship outside Germany. You can try ebay.de and see if some seller does ship internationally.

 

It was my pleasure. Why not share lessons learned the hard way if it means only reasonable expenditure for incomparably greater benefit in the long run.

 

An inexpensive but well adjusted and synergetic analog setup will always outperform TOTL/$$$ analog setup  that has not been properly adjusted.

post #707 of 2619

Hi Folks,

 

The picture of the scale sparked a question, I've been wondering about - The Shure m97xe, for example, has the pivoting brush that rides along on the record, supposedly stabilizing among other things ....

 

Anyhow, I'm curious how many people out there utilize this sort of cart-mounted brush ... and if so, would you like to comment on the experience - such as, adjusting the weight to compensate, etc. ... 

 

Thanks very much. 

 

Lately I have not been using the brush on mine .... once in a while, I do ..... but it does make me curious when I think about the fact it may provide benefits I'm not aware of.

post #708 of 2619
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Originally Posted by solserenade View Post

Hi Folks,

 

The picture of the scale sparked a question, I've been wondering about - The Shure m97xe, for example, has the pivoting brush that rides along on the record, supposedly stabilizing among other things ....

 

Anyhow, I'm curious how many people out there utilize this sort of cart-mounted brush ... and if so, would you like to comment on the experience - such as, adjusting the weight to compensate, etc. ... 

 

Thanks very much. 

 

Lately I have not been using the brush on mine .... once in a while, I do ..... but it does make me curious when I think about the fact it may provide benefits I'm not aware of.

I have posted regarding Shure and similar "brushes" - please find it in this or Post Picture...turntable thread. Mainly with reference to damping fundamental cartridge/tonearm combination resonance

 

Regarding tracking force differences with/without brush - for Shure it is 0.5 gram more with brush. Accompanied by antiskating setting as well - you can only establish how much by using test record. CAUTION : Jico's SAS styli for Shure also have brush where appropriate, but difference in tracking weight is different from 0.5 g - 0.25g IIRC, but please do not take data from  my memory as correct/verified fact.

 

Such brushes have other benefits, one is certainly collecting the dust just before playback and another elecrical static discharge of the surface of the record - which can in extreme cases appreciable alter VTF setting and cause mistracking.

 

Were it not for that pesky "brush playing" that does come trough, I would use it often/always. 

So, now only if and when everything else to play a warped record has failed.

post #709 of 2619

Finally! After chasing Music Hall down the street for a month, my belt for the mmf-7.1 finally arrived this afternoon! Will go to the repair shop later this evening to retrieve it. 

 

Since I'm gonna be up 'till sunrise getting acquainted, I'd better check stocktongue_smile.gif on green tea & shortbread cookies. 

post #710 of 2619

That sounds like a good night.

 

On a related note...I just got the email from my dealer that my WTL Amadeus came in today. Too bad my damn speakers and amp aren't here yet. 

 

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Finally! After chasing Music Hall down the street for a month, my belt for the mmf-7.1 finally arrived this afternoon! Will go to the repair shop later this evening to retrieve it. 

 

Since I'm gonna be up 'till sunrise getting acquainted, I'd better check stocktongue_smile.gif on green tea & shortbread cookies. 

post #711 of 2619
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

Finally! After chasing Music Hall down the street for a month, my belt for the mmf-7.1 finally arrived this afternoon! Will go to the repair shop later this evening to retrieve it. 

 

Since I'm gonna be up 'till sunrise getting acquainted, I'd better check stocktongue_smile.gif on green tea & shortbread cookies. 

Gee, does this post bring memories ! I remember my first serious turntable, the Connoisseur BD2 with SAU2 arm and Shure M75ED Type 2 cartridge as if it was yesterday...but it was actually around 1977. And quite a few that followed.

 

Many turntables later, this excitement is all but gone frown.gif. It takes something REALLY extraordinary in analog playback arena to light that sparkle of excitement in my eyes these daysconfused_face_2.gif.  Turned out I MISSED SOMETHINg BIGTIME - 30 years ago deadhorse.gif.

It is a source not so of excitement but admiration of getting the job done differently, better and cheaper at the same time tongue_smile.gif.

 

No cookie teashake, so normal beerchug.gif will have to do - but the excitement is onL3000.gif. Enjoy yours !

post #712 of 2619
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

That sounds like a good night.

 

On a related note...I just got the email from my dealer that my WTL Amadeus came in today. Too bad my damn speakers and amp aren't here yet. 

 

All WTL products are VERY musical - you made a great choice.  Did not hear Amadeus yet, but hope to be able to do it soon. There are  couple of cartridges that find more happines in WTL arms than anyplace else.

post #713 of 2619

I plan to stick with Dynavectors and they pair well. Honestly the arm is what sold me on the Amadeus. Cueing with it was a great experience. Soooo smooth due to the silicon bath and sand filled arm.

 

Picked it over the RP8 and Stabi/Stogi.

 

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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

All WTL products are VERY musical - you made a great choice.  Did not hear Amadeus yet, but hope to be able to do it soon. There are  couple of cartridges that find more happines in WTL arms than anyplace else.

post #714 of 2619
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

Finally! After chasing Music Hall down the street for a month, my belt for the mmf-7.1 finally arrived this afternoon! Will go to the repair shop later this evening to retrieve it. 

 

Since I'm gonna be up 'till sunrise getting acquainted, I'd better check stocktongue_smile.gif on green tea & shortbread cookies. 

Gee, does this post bring memories ! I remember my first serious turntable, the Connoisseur BD2 with SAU2 arm and Shure M75ED Type 2 cartridge as if it was yesterday...but it was actually around 1977. And quite a few that followed.

 

Many turntables later, this excitement is all but gone frown.gif. It takes something REALLY extraordinary in analog playback arena to light that sparkle of excitement in my eyes these daysconfused_face_2.gif.  Turned out I MISSED SOMETHINg BIGTIME - 30 years ago deadhorse.gif.

It is a source not so of excitement but admiration of getting the job done differently, better and cheaper at the same time tongue_smile.gif.

 

No cookie teashake, so normal beerchug.gif will have to do - but the excitement is onL3000.gif. Enjoy yours !

 

While working behind the scenes on Plan B, since Music Hall kept flaking, I spoke with a couple of MH Retailers and found my experience was not unique - that MH pretty much goes about its business like it sells the greatest slice of toast on earth. And if you wanted it, you'll go sit down somewhere, do as you're told and wait for it!

ph34r.gif

 

Honestly, I spent 10 years as a Chamber of Commerce Member helping to support new and existing businesses, and the family running MH has the wrong attitude. I don't care how successful they may be. People do suffer from burn-out and I think current ownership/management has some issues....we're all human.

 

A couple of things that really excite me about my return to vinyl is: some of the recordings I'd like to hear are not on CD but still come on LP; the ceremonial steps taken for enjoyment can be fun, pleasing and relaxing in the same manner as I prepare loose tea vs tea bags.

 

I needn't have the best, to be at my best! Sometimes, what we bring to an experience matters. 

post #715 of 2619
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Gee, does this post bring memories ! I remember my first serious turntable, the Connoisseur BD2 with SAU2 arm and Shure M75ED Type 2 cartridge as if it was yesterday...but it was actually around 1977. And quite a few that followed.

 

 

Thats funny - my first serious turntable was a Connoisseur BD-1! Not sure the model of the tone arm, but it came with TT, so I think it was also a Connoisseur. I bought it used for $50!!! I slapped a Grado FTE+ on it and used it for about 5 years until the motor died.  Nice sounding TT, if rather unreliable. 

post #716 of 2619
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

 

While working behind the scenes on Plan B, since Music Hall kept flaking, I spoke with a couple of MH Retailers and found my experience was not unique - that MH pretty much goes about its business like it sells the greatest slice of toast on earth. And if you wanted it, you'll go sit down somewhere, do as you're told and wait for it!

ph34r.gif

 

Honestly, I spent 10 years as a Chamber of Commerce Member helping to support new and existing businesses, and the family running MH has the wrong attitude. I don't care how successful they may be. People do suffer from burn-out and I think current ownership/management has some issues....we're all human.

 

A couple of things that really excite me about my return to vinyl is: some of the recordings I'd like to hear are not on CD but still come on LP; the ceremonial steps taken for enjoyment can be fun, pleasing and relaxing in the same manner as I prepare loose tea vs tea bags.

 

I needn't have the best, to be at my best! Sometimes, what we bring to an experience matters. 

You said it perfectly. I am on the quest of squeezing that last n-th degree of performance and of necessity technical aspect of it takes over. However, it is the journey that is more rewarding than  finally reaching the place where record players behave like they should, without audible deviations from the master recording.

post #717 of 2619
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

I plan to stick with Dynavectors and they pair well. Honestly the arm is what sold me on the Amadeus. Cueing with it was a great experience. Soooo smooth due to the silicon bath and sand filled arm.

 

Picked it over the RP8 and Stabi/Stogi.

 

I have WTL arm ( an IMPROVED clone, particularly around headshell where the original left too much to be desired ) in operation since about 1987. It has manual lift cueing - and if set up right, one can quickly learn how to cue from about 1 cm height slightly to the left of the intended spot on the LP and get it right - using its extremely viscous silicone oil to slowly cushion that 1 cm fall that would be detrimental to everything in a conventional arm. I believe your latest incarnation has a proper lift - better still, as it is lifting the arm anywhere but at the run out groove that is iffy with fingerlift ( possible to scracth a record ). For that reason, I learned to lift the arm not by fingerlift, but at the back end of the tube that extends over the counterweight - just press it down and it will lift vertically without ever scratching a record.

 

Revised/upgraded many times, last revision about 3 months ago - if there is an arm that allows Micro Acoustics cartridges to really excel, it must be the WTL. Work in progress, containing quite a few novel approaches to adressing various problems, under wraps -  so no photos. 

 

There is ONE Dynavector that really stands out - the last of the Karats, DV17D3.

 

Never saw RP8 in flesh, but Stabi/Stogi comes from my country and is very well spread over here - I know Mr. Franc Kuzma personally and can remember the day he was parading his home town with the very first casting for his first turntable platter.

 

WTL arm, regardless of version, is one possibility to adress that fundamental arm mass/cartridge compliance issue; not the best possible option, but I would pick it over any Rega or Kuzma arm that do absolutely nothing at all ( except Stogi S ) to control this vital parameter. You chose well and if slight lack of  dynamics, slam ant tightness in bass are not bothersome to you, it may well mean your search for record player is over for good. It is an immensely musical sounding arm - and WTL turntables (used to?) bristle with novel ideas leading to the same result.

post #718 of 2619

Hi there!

Im not sure what to do, so Id be happy if you could help me :)

Thing is this: Should I go ´vinyl´ or not? The point is, that when I go vinyl, I ´have to´. As a student it will cost me incredibly lots of time because in my small room I have to move things (and I cant move them to another place for just a week to find out if I like vinyl enough). So, I have an Onkyo TX-SR501 + DV-SP501 DVD player, connected by a digital audio cable.

I also have some Jamo 704 speakers (big floorstanding 3-way) and I listen a lot to classical music and Bob Dylan and other folk artists. Most of the music is either played by my DVD player or via my PC and Behringer UCA222 soundcard, FLACs.

Ive always understood vinyl's better than CDs, but SACD's are also better. Im thinking of a turntable setup as a poor man's SACD setup.

1st: Im a poor student, is it worth it to buy vinyls of the CDs I have, or is it a waste of money? Think of the Klavierkonzerte by Mozart, the nine symphonies of Beethoven, a collection of Requiem recordings of Mozart... etc. I all have them in FLAC on my PC and Sansa Clip + and on CDs (DDD mostly).

2nd: I can have a turntable (Technics) from my parents, and I can get a small Technics amp from the 80s from my brother. The amp is not to be connected to my speakers, but I think I could use the tape loop perfectly to plug in the turntable in the Technics amp, and the tape out to my Onkyo receiver. Is that OK?

3rd: Besides costs, it'll cost me too a lot of room. Is that worth it too? Or wont I hear that much of a big difference of improved soundstage (what's Im going for) in a small student's room?

4th: A PlayStation One should have a vinyl sound and is pretty cheap too; perhaps a better alternative? (Im planning on buying one too though, quite curious how it sounds)

 

Thanks for reading! :)

post #719 of 2619
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am new to vinyl. Can I run the output of the phono stage to my headphone amp or do I need a preamp in between. What is the typical voltage output from a phono stage? (example, in a dac it can have a 2v or a 4v output) I will be buying the ECTA.


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I think I found my answer in the picture thread .It only needs a preamp if the gain isnt sufficient and the average voltage is .707v - 2v range. Correct?
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Phono gain adjustments are there because phono cartridges have different sensitivities - and because it (used to be )/is standardized how loud should a source be prior input to line preamp. In olden days, that meant .707 V at 0 dB, but then came CD with its 2 V nominal out ant things are in between these two valus "in grey area happily forever since ". If you set the phono gain too high relative to the cartridge in use, you would outstrip the pream capabilities - phono overload is not so problematic as it used to be in the first days of transistors, but expecting any reasonably priced phono preamp to offer 40 dB of overload margin ( 20 really required, and if you misadjust gain for MC ie60 dB for a MM cart requiring 40 dB of gain, that then requires 40 dB of overload margin ) is too much and is definitely calling for trouble. 40/43 and 60/63 settings are for covering the different sensitivities within the MM and MC group of carts respectively.



If you then still lack gain - line stage, or in modern days just "preamp" is something you will have to insert between the output of phono stage and input of whatever that does not achieve full level with the output of phono preamp alone.

Edited by KingStyles - 2/10/13 at 7:11pm
post #720 of 2619
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Originally Posted by KingStyles View Post

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am new to vinyl. Can I run the output of the phono stage to my headphone amp or do I need a preamp in between. What is the typical voltage output from a phono stage? (example, in a dac it can have a 2v or a 4v output) I will be buying the ECTA.


Edit -
I think I found my answer in the picture thread .It only needs a preamp if the gain isnt sufficient and the average voltage is .707v - 2v range. Correct?


You can connect the output of a phono stage directly to a headphone amp almost in every case.  Maybe in rare cases the combination will not have enough gain, but those will be rare. 

 

Just so it's clear, you can NEVER plug a turntable itself directly into a headphone amp, unless it's one of those very few turntables with a built in phono stage (which is not usually a good thing anyway).

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