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post #676 of 2608

Thanks! Yes I do care.  As for the cartridge, he said its in good condition.  I wouldnt even know where to begin if I were to change it out but I dont even plan on doing that until later.  He said its weighted and all ready to go.  My 2226b should be here at the end of next week. exciting times!

post #677 of 2608
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

Looks good! If you care, you can use Meguiar's Rubber cleaner/protectant to freshen up the platter mat.

I'll be sure to look into that. I do have a pretty pleb question: Am I better off with the stock mat or should I go for a one of these

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Music-Hall-Mat?sc=2&category=420

post #678 of 2608
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Originally Posted by BLACKENEDPLAGUE View Post

I'll be sure to look into that. I do have a pretty pleb question: Am I better off with the stock mat or should I go for a one of these

 

http://www.needledoctor.com/Music-Hall-Mat?sc=2&category=420

Mats are VERY turntable/platter dependant - what works on one platter may be very dissapointing on another - with the same mat. With some, you may well find stock will sound the best.

 

First you have to establish if it is COMPATIBLE - turntable manufacturers seem to have competed who will come up with the platter/mat combo that absolutely precludes the use of anything but the original mat - ribs, rims, and generally any deviation from flat surface of the platter where mat goes. Hence godzillion of platter mats of the same basic designs, each tailor made for the turntable/platter - just see all the listings from this ebay seller to get the idea:

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XTM2-CORK-TURNTABLE-MAT-REGA-LINN-401-301-SYSTEMDEK-ETC-293mm-/121053538807?pt=Turntable_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c2f5a69f7

 

Variation on the theme from your link :

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cork-Turntable-Mat-Platter-Spot-mat-Audiophile-/221165267545?pt=Vintage_Electronics_R2&hash=item337e7a2a59

 

One that does sound really good and can be used in two different ways is Janus DIY mat : 

 

http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/januse.html     It might be only practical solution if your platter requires some super fancy surface where nothing stock will fit - problem is how to PRECISELY cut it into a circle(s).

post #679 of 2608
Thread Starter 

Many/most vintage turntables came with a rubber mat that is needed to damp the aluminum platter and keep it from ringing.  A cork mat isn't going to work well. 

 

Might be great on an entry level modern table with an MDF for acrylic platter, but I have never tried it.

post #680 of 2608
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Not too bad.  My receiver hasnt come yet so I havent fired it up but its original everything, including original box and packaging.  Even the box was heavy, I thought there was more in there but it was all packaging stuff. 

 

 

This is lovely - much similarity to my Audio Reflex AR -11, which also had such a very vintage looking headshell. After you get your receiver and test that everything works, get a HFN test record, adjust the thing right and enjoy - such tables, although not the last word in anything, have an undescribable flair and are built with the solidity one looks for today in vain.

post #681 of 2608
Thank you. Yeah I was choosing between vintage and the new minimalist design budget tables and to me not was no contest. Real wood, heavy, out of the ordinary. Wife wasn't too happy that it doesn't match the rest of the wood color in my computer room but whatever. Lol
post #682 of 2608
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

Many/most vintage turntables came with a rubber mat that is needed to damp the aluminum platter and keep it from ringing.  A cork mat isn't going to work well. 

 

Might be great on an entry level modern table with an MDF for acrylic platter, but I have never tried it.

yeah I was worried about that

post #683 of 2608
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

Many/most vintage turntables came with a rubber mat that is needed to damp the aluminum platter and keep it from ringing.  A cork mat isn't going to work well. 

 

Might be great on an entry level modern table with an MDF for acrylic platter, but I have never tried it.

True. That is why I posted Janus DIY mat - it is capable of taming metal platter ringing and still presenting cork surface to the vynil. Looks deceptively easy to do, total lack of any commercially available version is testimony enough that it is not exactly so, 

 

Just in case anyone of you is using mat made from Sorbothane - if placed directly to the metal platter, it "glues" to the surface and looses the ability to damp the platter like the normal rubber mat would, making the combination worse. Remedy is simple - just cut the mat of appropriate dimensions from sheet of paper and place it in between the metal platter and Sorbothane mat.WOW !

 

( If we ever meet in person, you owe me a beer for that one! )

 

Otherwise, record/platter interface ( mat/weights/clamps/vacuum ) ) is THE most important thing in any vinyl record playing device. Remember, objective is not to play the record, but information engraved in the very portion of the groove where stylus is at any given moment - and NOTHING else.

post #684 of 2608
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True. That is why I posted Janus DIY mat - it is capable of taming metal platter ringing and still presenting cork surface to the vynil. Looks deceptively easy to do, total lack of any commercially available version is testimony enough that it is not exactly so, 

 

Just in case anyone of you is using mat made from Sorbothane - if placed directly to the metal platter, it "glues" to the surface and looses the ability to damp the platter like the normal rubber mat would, making the combination worse. Remedy is simple - just cut the mat of appropriate dimensions from sheet of paper and place it in between the metal platter and Sorbothane mat.WOW !

 

( If we ever meet in person, you owe me a beer for that one! )

 

Otherwise, record/platter interface ( mat/weights/clamps/vacuum ) ) is THE most important thing in any vinyl record playing device. Remember, objective is not to play the record, but information engraved in the very portion of the groove where stylus is at any given moment - and NOTHING else.

I heard about corking the underside of the steel platter in an audio karma forum. wonder how that would benefit

post #685 of 2608
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I heard about corking the underside of the steel platter in an audio karma forum. wonder how that would benefit

Damping the ringing of the metal platter .

post #686 of 2608

Hey guys,

 

After reading many MANY posts from various forums and seeing a number of clips on YouTube, I have become very paraoid and I have a question regarding VTF. As it says in the first page of this thread, VTF must be set (obviously!) using a force guage. I have a Rega RP1 Performance turntable. Which I love and am getting great enjoyment out of. However after reading articles on VTF, I'm worried I may not have my turntable set up correctly and will damage my records. The manual (1 page actually) with the turntable is very basic but straightforward at the same time. And I set up the counter weight and the tracking force (using the slider on the arm) as specified in the manual. However I noticed that the method mentioned seems to put some pressure on the stylus. I have read that the stylus should only go about half way up into the cartridge when playing a record. I've also read that the correcttracking force is about 1.75 for the Bias 2 cartridge. Having moved the counter weight back so the arm is more balanced (Having it perfectly balanced seemes pointless as when I cue the record the arm just floats there) and adjusting the slider to around 1.75, the arm will very slowly move onto the record and having the stylus only sink about halfway into the cartridge, I am wondering am I damaging my records? Do I really need a force guage as they are fairly expensive (the cheap ones look terrible, the Shure SFG2 looks decent but is pricey for a one time purchase)? I know the Rega RP1 are ready to go right out of the box.

 

Can anyone tell me if I am out of my mind and reading too much into this? The records don't skip and the arm has never slipped off during play. And it sounds perfect. Any info from someone with this turntable would be appreciated. More questions welcome if I am confusing people.

post #687 of 2608
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Originally Posted by Bogmonster View Post

Hey guys,

 

After reading many MANY posts from various forums and seeing a number of clips on YouTube, I have become very paraoid and I have a question regarding VTF. As it says in the first page of this thread, VTF must be set (obviously!) using a force guage. I have a Rega RP1 Performance turntable. Which I love and am getting great enjoyment out of. However after reading articles on VTF, I'm worried I may not have my turntable set up correctly and will damage my records. The manual (1 page actually) with the turntable is very basic but straightforward at the same time. And I set up the counter weight and the tracking force (using the slider on the arm) as specified in the manual. However I noticed that the method mentioned seems to put some pressure on the stylus. I have read that the stylus should only go about half way up into the cartridge when playing a record. I've also read that the correcttracking force is about 1.75 for the Bias 2 cartridge. Having moved the counter weight back so the arm is more balanced (Having it perfectly balanced seemes pointless as when I cue the record the arm just floats there) and adjusting the slider to around 1.75, the arm will very slowly move onto the record and having the stylus only sink about halfway into the cartridge, I am wondering am I damaging my records? Do I really need a force guage as they are fairly expensive (the cheap ones look terrible, the Shure SFG2 looks decent but is pricey for a one time purchase)? I know the Rega RP1 are ready to go right out of the box.

 

Can anyone tell me if I am out of my mind and reading too much into this? The records don't skip and the arm has never slipped off during play. And it sounds perfect. Any info from someone with this turntable would be appreciated. More questions welcome if I am confusing people.

You are possibly over reacting a bit, but better safe than sorry is the right policy. No record player is more valuble than your record collection. Record can be irreparably demaged without ever jumping grooves or skipping - that it does not do such things is in no way enough to preserve records. .

 

Set the thing as per instructions - this should bring the VTF and antiskating in a ballpark. Then get yourself http://www.needledoctor.com/Hi-Fi-News-Test-Record?sc=2&category=438

With this record, you can fine adjust both VTF and bias precisely for your machine. I do use stylus scales, incomparably better and more precise than SFG 2 - but only use it at the start (manufacturer's lowest limit for the VTF ) and measure the actual value once the best possible tracking for the combination in question has been achieved. It is long ago I stopped adjusting VTF

to predetermined say 1.5 g - as in practice, you may well find that what will still distort with 1.5 gram mVTF, might totally calm down at 1.55 g - no point adjusting to some predetermined VTF, as each stylus/cartridge example is slightly different . I only use scales to determine the end value and safeguard from too high a setting for VTF.

 

Stylus scales are absolute necessity only with tonearms that do not have any markings/scale for VTF setting. Even if your tonearm shows some reasonable ( say 10 % ) error in VTF as opposed to precise scales, this is not too much and purchase use of the good test record will give you better result and is better value for money. Rega arms are much better than 10% error in VTF - you can rely on the setting for all practical purposes.

 

Once you reach the necessity to accurately measure 0.01 g increments you will be in so high price segment that the cost of scales/gauge will not be worth mentioning at all.

 

Of course VTF means Vertical Tracking Force and it is the force with which the arm/cartridge preses the stylus to the record surface - with the correct VTF, stylus will get in the middle position, allowing it to perform at its best. Some "give in" a bit more, some a bit les, some have large clearences from the cartridge body touching record surface, some are bare minimum away from making a contact - Regas are conceived so to present as little hassle as possible, it really takes very wrong adjustment to really mess up with Rega..

post #688 of 2608

Thanks analogsurvivor. That LP looks like the solution. It's also relatively cheap. I never knew such a thing existed. I figured I might have been over reacting alright but I'm always greatful for input. I'm only getting into the whole vinyl area now. I will definitely buy this.

 

Any other tips/info that I should also be aware of? (even if it's stupid common sense thing)

 

Cheers!

post #689 of 2608
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Originally Posted by Bogmonster View Post

Thanks analogsurvivor. That LP looks like the solution. It's also relatively cheap. I never knew such a thing existed. I figured I might have been over reacting alright but I'm always greatful for input. I'm only getting into the whole vinyl area now. I will definitely buy this.

 

Any other tips/info that I should also be aware of? (even if it's stupid common sense thing)

 

Cheers!

Read the whole of this thread - after you get your TT kinda sorted out, comes vynil cleaning - minimum I would suggest is the KAB http://www.kabusa.com/ev1.htm. Everything already covered, take your time for the reading, this thread is meant to start you on solid foundations - once you master this, you will know how far/high you might wish to go.

post #690 of 2608

Yeah, I've been reading through this thread a good bit. There's alot of information here that's a bit over my head right now. But I'm alyays open to new ideas. The test record looks like a good solid start. I'm extremely careful with my records and I keep them as clean as possible. I usually just use a Pro-Ject microfibre brush to clean them when necessary. I'm not too fond of the cleaning solutions (probably another over reaction). I've also been told by a few people I know that there is so much stuff that can be done with a TT and vinyl in general that it can be very easy to go overkill. The amount of amps, turn tables, speakers etc. seems endless. I'm absolutely delighted with my system now and I don't see the need to add on anything.........yet.

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