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Originally Posted by mrpink44 View Post

Skylab - maybe you've addressed this in a thread, but since you seem very knowledgeable, I was wondering if you'd care to share your record cleaning procedures?? It never hurts to hear how others do it and maybe some of us will pick up some tips.

Thanks in advance if you have time/interest to reply back.

My pleasure. I'm not quite as "intense" about it as some people. I clean every record, used and new, using a VPI Typhoon wet-vacuum record cleaner (although for years I used a VPI 16.5 which takes longer but works just as well and is much cheaper). I use Mobile Fidelity Super Record Wash for the cleaning fluid. After cleaning, I apply LAST Record preservative.

I do that before the record is ever played, but only once. Then right before every play, I "zap" with a Zerostat gun, and use a Discwasher brush, DRY, to pick up any small amount of new dust.

This generally yields almost completely noiseless playback from any practical perspective unless the record was used and scratched.
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So I just purchased my first turntable in over a decade and am hoping I didn't pick too poorly.  I opted to (instead of going modern) try out a vintage Philips AF-887 I found on Craigslist.  It's in very good condition and costed less than I would have spent on a U-turn Orbit, which was a leading contender of the modern TT variety.  It came with a Shure M95ED cartridge with not much playtime on it, (according to previous owner) but I'm thinking I'll buy a new cart for it anyway.  Suggestions?   

Apparently this TT is a bit of an oddball, according to the folks at AudioKarma -  It has a belt drive, but has a quartz lock on speed control, which I guess is something of a rarity.  I'm not really sure what all a quartz lock entails but I suppose it's a good thing?  I recall my Technics 1200s had one.  

It also has some other features I found interesting, such as a built-in stylus force gauge.  You can see it in this picture of another one I saw on AK. I'd imagine that must be convenient.
 



So anyway, overall how'd I do?  It definitely won't hurt my feelings if I just stepped in the poo.  For the money I can always buy 2 or 3 more vintage turntables on Craigslist and just keep my favorite.  Any recommendations or advice for a new vintage TT owner?  

Does this mean you'll be wanting your records back, Dave? wink.gif

I think it looks nice. As for a cart...Tried and true 2M Red. MM carts will get you better performance than MCs at this level in my experience. Maxvla is selling his 2M Red so it's practically a local sale.
post #543 of 2630

+1 for the 2M series. I use a 2M Blue on my Rega, and the 2M Red is also tough to beat at its price point.

post #544 of 2630
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I have a 2M Bronze that I also think quite highly of.
post #545 of 2630

Hi  guys

My dad and I bought a B&O Beogram 1200 for around $70 AUD and I was just wondering what you guys thought of those here. I'm new to all this LP and vinyl gear. My dad has a huge vinyl collection and crates of vinyl and he's been waiting to play some music for a while know biggrin.gif

post #546 of 2630

It's a good table, but you're limited to the Soundsmith carts which tend to be rather expensive for their level of performance. I'd recommend at least the MMC4 equivalent.

 

My dad has an RX2 with an original B&O MMC4, but it has issues with the automatic cuing mechanism. It sounds very good when it does decide to work though.

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It's a good table, but you're limited to the Soundsmith carts which tend to be rather expensive for their level of performance. I'd recommend at least the MMC4 equivalent.

 

My dad has an RX2 with an original B&O MMC4, but it has issues with the automatic cuing mechanism. It sounds very good when it does decide to work though.

The Auto cue on our seems to be working well and a quick google search reveals that the carts are more expensive than the turntable itself by far eek.gif

post #548 of 2630

That's to be expected. But with the low price you paid for the table, it would still be a good value.

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B & O is something of an oddball - in everything. But if  aesthetics/design and their catering with technology for the  people who do not want to be bothered by technology is brushed aside, fact remains that B & O was the first phono cartridge manufacturer to implement automatic measurements on the production line - for EVERY sample. That means unit to unit variations are kept to an absolute minimum and likelihood you will be gettting a dud is reduced to an absolute minimum. Which makes them desirable to be used even in non B & O enviroment, via the use of an 1/2 " adapter which by itself costs more money than some are willing to spend for entire cartridge. NOS prices for B & O reflect this - even if the price is seemingly high, it sure beats trying to get a decent sample in some other brands; a next to perfect ( always ) B & O  for say 5 "clams" sure beats 3-4 duds and one conditionally acceptable cart/stylus by some other manufacturer each costing 2 "clams".

 

That is my comment on the original B & O ; no experience with Soundsmith's.

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I can't believe what a STUPID decision it was on their part to not only discontinue their cartridge line, but to also completely scrap the plans and tooling, which they could have easily sold to another manufacturer (Ortofon, Benz Micro, etc). I understand that it may not have been profitable for them to continue producing carts, but they likely could have easily sold the design. The Soundsmith carts are supposedly very good, however (I have no experience with one).

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I can't believe what a STUPID decision it was on their part to not only discontinue their cartridge line, but to also completely scrap the plans and tooling, which they could have easily sold to another manufacturer (Ortofon, Benz Micro, etc). I understand that it may not have been profitable for them to continue producing carts, but they likely could have easily sold the design. The Soundsmith carts are supposedly very good, however (I have no experience with one).

As a pure consumer, I would entirely agree with you. They should have absolutely kept the plans and tooling "for a rainy day". Since I have at least tasted the industry behind the scenes, I can tell you that you have chosen two least likely candidates to produce the B & O MMC design.  Would you spit on your own plate - by adopting the design of the competition, indirectly admitting the design by competition is better than yours ? An entirely new and relatively unknown manufacturer was needed in this case and Soundsmith found its niche here. A very reasonable solution - and hope they can continue producing at quality levels at least approaching the original.

 

In the end, it is not design/operational principle or implementation that leads to the best product - it is the COMBINATION of the two, And tiniest of details can pull the balance either way ...

post #552 of 2630
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My pleasure. I'm not quite as "intense" about it as some people. I clean every record, used and new, using a VPI Typhoon wet-vacuum record cleaner (although for years I used a VPI 16.5 which takes longer but works just as well and is much cheaper). I use Mobile Fidelity Super Record Wash for the cleaning fluid. After cleaning, I apply LAST Record preservative.

I do that before the record is ever played, but only once. Then right before every play, I "zap" with a Zerostat gun, and use a Discwasher brush, DRY, to pick up any small amount of new dust.

This generally yields almost completely noiseless playback from any practical perspective unless the record was used and scratched.

Thanks Skylab!!! One of these days I will get a wet-vacuum cleaner...right now I'm doing everything by hand. I've also been thinking of giving the LAST Record preservative a try - expensive, but others seem to think it's worth it.

 

Thanks again....happy listening!

post #553 of 2630

Hey all,

 

I apologize if I missed it earlier in the thread (read up on the Glasrubber), but has anyone here used the Magic Eraser technique to clean their stylus?  I keep my records clean but am concerned about vinyl specks that won't get brushed off with a basic carbon fiber stylus brush and I'm not terribly keen on using solvents to aid the cleaning action.

 

Thoughts or comments?

post #554 of 2630
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Hey all,

I apologize if I missed it earlier in the thread (read up on the Glasrubber), but has anyone here used the Magic Eraser technique to clean their stylus?  I keep my records clean but am concerned about vinyl specks that won't get brushed off with a basic carbon fiber stylus brush and I'm not terribly keen on using solvents to aid the cleaning action.

Thoughts or comments?

I've used various liquid stylus cleaners for 35 years, never had a problem.
Try using LAST stylus cleaner.
post #555 of 2630

Which is the better deal?  $40 for a Dual CS530, or a Denon Dp-31L for $110 with an Ortofon Omega?  I know the Denon is probably a higher end model, but for $40 I feel like the Dual is pretty good.  The guy selling the Dual is about 40 minutes away while the guy selling the Denon is about an hour away :(

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