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post #526 of 2630

Okay guys, I just got done building this preamp for my turntable setup after doing some research and hearing it's supposed to sound really good for the money.

http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm

Only cost me about $55 including parts I had to re-order, but without a case, which I plan to make soon. I did some A/B'ing between this and my previous preamp, a Pyle Pro POS. These were recorded using my netbook, so don't expect amazingness.

https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B9KhPSL6UNZ1Q25qcXIyMnZVbkU/edit

My question now has to do with the "hissing" in the treble. I currently have a Sure M92e, which I calibrated a long time ago. Should I look at re-aligning the cart or look for an upgrade? I would be looking for something under $100, with a neutral to slightly warm and sweet sound signature if I upgraded.

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap and cheerful way to keep my records clean? right now I'm using a microfiber cloth and compressed air...

post #527 of 2630

VPI HW 16.5 Record Cleaning Machine

 

In case a few 'fiers are on the fence about getting one, SoundStageDirect now has another one in  - "B" Stock for 489.99.

 

http://www.soundstagedirect.com/vpi-16.5-record-cleaning-machine-bstock.shtml?

post #528 of 2630
Thread Starter 
The 16.5 is a great RCM, but I'm not sure it meets most people's standard for "cheap and cheerful". I've not used it, but the "Spin Clean" seems to be the popular product that meets that requirement.

http://www.spincleanrecordwasher.com/buy-now.html#!/~/product/category=3325479&id=14190723

Again, I can't really say how effective it is, since I haven't tried it, and a wet-vacuum cleaneris almost certainly going to be better. But the Spin Clean is $80...
post #529 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

The 16.5 is a great RCM, but I'm not sure it meets most people's standard for "cheap and cheerful". I've not used it, but the "Spin Clean" seems to be the popular product that meets that requirement.

http://www.spincleanrecordwasher.com/buy-now.html#!/~/product/category=3325479&id=14190723

Again, I can't really say how effective it is, since I haven't tried it, and a wet-vacuum cleaneris almost certainly going to be better. But the Spin Clean is $80...

This local store of mine is selling the set for RM600 ($200)

lol.

post #530 of 2630

Regarding cleaning, "cheap & cheerful" means Spin Clean in US and Knosti Disco Antistat in Europe. KAB RCM on household vacuum and turning the record by hand is better, but approx twice the cost.

 

Shure M92E is not good enough - for approx $ 100 there is Shure M97xe and for not appreciable more there is Ortofon 2M Red. Both are quite an improvement over M92E. One possible way would also ne NOS styli from Shure that fit M92 body  ( 94, 96 etc )- but these are hard to get.

 

You also can use N97xe stylus in M92E cart - that would be the least expensive and easiest option, if you do not mind having a P mount adapter. Really good and rigid P mount adapters were extremely scarce back in the day and are far rarer still today.

post #531 of 2630
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Regarding cleaning, "cheap & cheerful" means Spin Clean in US and Knosti Disco Antistat in Europe. KAB RCM on household vacuum and turning the record by hand is better, but approx twice the cost.

 

Shure M92E is not good enough - for approx $ 100 there is Shure M97xe and for not appreciable more there is Ortofon 2M Red. Both are quite an improvement over M92E. One possible way would also ne NOS styli from Shure that fit M92 body  ( 94, 96 etc )- but these are hard to get.

 

You also can use N97xe stylus in M92E cart - that would be the least expensive and easiest option, if you do not mind having a P mount adapter. Really good and rigid P mount adapters were extremely scarce back in the day and are far rarer still today.

Oh, that's definitely an interesting piece of news about being able to use different styli with the M92e. After doing some research, it looks like I can get a pretty good 104e stylus for $35 shipped to the US from here: http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1004

Did shure have a linear model numbering system, so that the greater the number, the 'better" the stylus?

post #532 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

The 16.5 is a great RCM, but I'm not sure it meets most people's standard for "cheap and cheerful". I've not used it, but the "Spin Clean" seems to be the popular product that meets that requirement.

http://www.spincleanrecordwasher.com/buy-now.html#!/~/product/category=3325479&id=14190723

Again, I can't really say how effective it is, since I haven't tried it, and a wet-vacuum cleaneris almost certainly going to be better. But the Spin Clean is $80...

 

I use the Spin Clean Special Edition (Clear) @ $149 and it meets "cheap & cheerful" for me at this time. Nuthin' wrong with giving the vinyl a second tongue_smile.gifcycle! Also, use Aquafina in the basin; rinse after the fact w/Aquafina.

post #533 of 2630
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Originally Posted by mechgamer123 View Post

Oh, that's definitely an interesting piece of news about being able to use different styli with the M92e. After doing some research, it looks like I can get a pretty good 104e stylus for $35 shipped to the US from here: http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1004

Did shure have a linear model numbering system, so that the greater the number, the 'better" the stylus?

In a way, yes, but not completely sure. I am familiar with top Jico offerings, and they are superb. But not to improve upon N92e stylus would be hard indeed, So I guess you found the least inexpensive way to improve your phono, as original NOS Shure commands high prices.

 

This stylus business in M92e works right up to the top - you can use V15VxMR stylus in it, either original or Jico's SAS.. There are two Jico SAS styli for V15VxMR, one with an aluminium cantilever http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1523

 and another more expensive with higher performance boron cantilever http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1524 or here http://www.turntableneedles.com/JICO-SAS-type-77x3-DSAS-for-Shure-VN5xMR_p_3878.html. Jico does something in between, a hyperelliptical http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1005.

 

I guess that Jico manufactures the same stylus under different names, so that their M92e and M104e might well bw the same thing, colour of plastic holder aside. Did actually not confirm this in practice.

 
 

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post #534 of 2630

"Positive collateral demage" when trying to answer mechgamer123 question by searching for Shure M92e cart fitted with N97xe stylus was the discovery of a very new:

 

http://www.p-mount.net/

post #535 of 2630
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

The 16.5 is a great RCM, but I'm not sure it meets most people's standard for "cheap and cheerful". I've not used it, but the "Spin Clean" seems to be the popular product that meets that requirement.

http://www.spincleanrecordwasher.com/buy-now.html#!/~/product/category=3325479&id=14190723

Again, I can't really say how effective it is, since I haven't tried it, and a wet-vacuum cleaneris almost certainly going to be better. But the Spin Clean is $80...

 

Skylab - maybe you've addressed this in a thread, but since you seem very knowledgeable, I was wondering if you'd care to share your record cleaning procedures?? It never hurts to hear how others do it and maybe some of us will pick up some tips.

 

Thanks in advance if you have time/interest to reply back.

post #536 of 2630

Help!!!

I just found a bearing a bit smaller than a pea in the box my RP3 came in.

Trying to figure out where it belongs???

post #537 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Paul Graham View Post

Help!!!

I just found a bearing a bit smaller than a pea in the box my RP3 came in.

Trying to figure out where it belongs???

Not familiar with Regas, but most probably from the main TT bearing.  It is about the same size as record spindle - hope not ?  

 

But please wait till Rega specialists chime in.

post #538 of 2630

No probs, Sussed it, Its come from the spindle shaft whilst in transit.

post #539 of 2630
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

In a way, yes, but not completely sure. I am familiar with top Jico offerings, and they are superb. But not to improve upon N92e stylus would be hard indeed, So I guess you found the least inexpensive way to improve your phono, as original NOS Shure commands high prices.

This stylus business in M92e works right up to the top - you can use V15VxMR stylus in it, either original or Jico's SAS.. There are two Jico SAS styli for V15VxMR, one with an aluminium cantilever http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1523

 and another more expensive with higher performance boron cantilever http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?products_id=1524 or here 
http://www.turntableneedles.com/JICO-SAS-type-77x3-DSAS-for-Shure-VN5xMR_p_3878.html. Jico does something in between, a hyperelliptical 
http://stylus.export-japan.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1005.


I guess that Jico manufactures the same stylus under different names, so that their M92e and M104e might well bw the same thing, colour of plastic holder aside. Did actually not confirm this in practice.
Thank you very much for your help! I think for now, I'm going to probably upgrade to the 104e, since I'm on a tight budget, but in the future I'll look into the VN5xMR

Quote:
Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

"Positive collateral demage" when trying to answer mechgamer123 question by searching for Shure M92e cart fitted with N97xe stylus was the discovery of a very new:

http://www.p-mount.net/
This is an awesome link, thank you again!
post #540 of 2630

So I just purchased my first turntable in over a decade and am hoping I didn't pick too poorly.  I opted to (instead of going modern) try out a vintage Philips AF-887 I found on Craigslist.  It's in very good condition and costed less than I would have spent on a U-turn Orbit, which was a leading contender of the modern TT variety.  It came with a Shure M95ED cartridge with not much playtime on it, (according to previous owner) but I'm thinking I'll buy a new cart for it anyway.  Suggestions?   

 

Apparently this TT is a bit of an oddball, according to the folks at AudioKarma -  It has a belt drive, but has a quartz lock on speed control, which I guess is something of a rarity.  I'm not really sure what all a quartz lock entails but I suppose it's a good thing?  I recall my Technics 1200s had one.  

 

It also has some other features I found interesting, such as a built-in stylus force gauge.  You can see it in this picture of another one I saw on AK. I'd imagine that must be convenient.

 

 

So anyway, overall how'd I do?  It definitely won't hurt my feelings if I just stepped in the poo.  For the money I can always buy 2 or 3 more vintage turntables on Craigslist and just keep my favorite.  Any recommendations or advice for a new vintage TT owner?  


Edited by dmcs414 - 1/22/13 at 11:05am
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