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Whay about a Creative Sound Blaster SB1240 X-Fi HD USB Audio System with Phono Preamp
or a DYNAVOX USB-PHONO-VORVERSTÄRKER UPR-2.0
or a Rega Fono Mini USB Phono
or a PROJECT PHONO BOX II USB
or a Bellari VP530 USB Phono Preamplifier
or a THORENS MM 008 ADC MM/MC Phono Preamp w/USB out for digital recording MM008ADC
Edited by ]eep - 7/21/15 at 7:13pm
post #3242 of 3249
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Originally Posted by ]eep View Post

Whay about a Creative Sound Blaster SB1240 X-Fi HD USB Audio System with Phono Preamp
or a DYNAVOX USB-PHONO-VORVERSTÄRKER UPR-2.0
or a Rega Fono Mini USB Phono
or a PROJECT PHONO BOX II USB
or a Bellari VP530 USB Phono Preamplifier
or a THORENS MM 008 ADC MM/MC Phono Preamp w/USB out for digital recording MM008ADC

Honestly I'd get the Thorens phono preamp because of the brand name alone, and the Rega Fono Mini and Pro-ject Phono Box are just cheap phono with USB added capability. They're ok, but if you do have extra cash I'd rather you get a better phono preamp.

post #3243 of 3249
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Originally Posted by foolsgold1986 View Post
 

I have a pretty easy question.  I bought the auido technica at-lp120-usb.  It is being delivered on Tuesday 7/21/2015.   I need to buy a longer usb cable.  I am pretty sure the cable I need is

 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MSU1HG?colid=2X166QX7JZ31I&coliid=I8LBR6W9N3FES&psc=1&ref_=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl

 

I need someone that has it to verify that it is the correct cable.  What I am trying to do is have it reach my computer from my dresser and the cable that it comes with is probably not long enough.  Thanks in advance.

 

foolsgold1986:  You are correct, what you need is a USB A-B (male/male) cable, as indicated in your link.

 

As your turntable has a built-in phono preamp and an internal A/D converter, you will get a digital signal from the TT to your computer.  I assume the TT comes with some software and drivers to interface to your computer for listening and/or recording.  Good luck with your new purchase; I hope you enjoy this crazy hobby of ours!

 

Best,

Hi-Five

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Originally Posted by foolsgold1986 View Post
 

I am in the process of looking for a sound card that would have that input.  I went to micro center and they were no help.  I went over and looked at the sound cards and they only had microphones.  From how I understand microphones they amplify sound so that would be difficult.  If you know of a sound card to suggest please do.  Thanks for the post.

 

Just curious, why would one want to output the line level to a soundcard rather than utilize the already built-in USB?  Better A/D conversion at the soundcard?

I can understand if you had a sweet external preamp that you might want to digitize that signal, but it seems like going line-level to a soundcard would just potentially introduce more noise in the chain.

 

As usual, I may have missed something completely obvious...just wondering about the logic.

 

Thanks,

Hi-Five

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why would one want to output the line level to a soundcard rather than utilize the already built-in USB? Better A/D conversion at the soundcard?
That is exactly the right question. It is not the matter of just 1 step from cartridge to CPU. Roughly speaking it is 2 devices in one; a phonoequalizer/preamplifier and a digitizer (ADC+I2S to USB or w/e). There are several way you can combine this and even change order compared to the traditional order (do the RIAA-equalization digitally, which is not a bad idea). But every cartridge needs matching (MM/MC impedance/capacity). How do you want to do the delicate pre-amplification, which ADC (type+brand+matching), what connection to use (length+type).

If you just look at all the discussions about DAC's which is just 2 or 3 steps in this chain, you know there is no simple answer. And compromises need to be made. With compromises come knowledge and vision.
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...do the RIAA-equalization digitally, which is not a bad idea.

 

Now that's interesting, I never thought of that!

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Sure, but as long as speakers remain analog, what's the point? I think listening to vinyl is best done the old-fashioned way with minimal interference of (usually too much) electronics. Tubes fit very well in that picture. In my system amplifications goes through 2 transformers, 2 opamps (yeah, I know what that is but I'm not dogmatic, rather pragmatic), 4 (or 5?) coupling-caps and 4 triodes (or halves of double-triodes) from low output MC to full amplification. All of the highest quality. Very difficult to improve on that (shorter + better components). More components always introduce more loss of signal (information, not amplitude, and when components are of equal quality). An ADC + DAC circuit are way more complex. So that will probably not outweigh the advantage of doing RIAA digitally.

If digitizing your rare vinyl is the goal, that's a whole different ballgame. Then HDTT (sacd-label) is a good reference.
Edited by ]eep - 7/22/15 at 5:11pm
post #3248 of 3249
^^^ I take it you've never had an Ayre phono stage in your system.

Edit: I noticed you have Genesis speakers. I can introduce you to Gary Koh, if you like.
Edited by Shaffer - 7/22/15 at 7:16pm
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No I have not. They may be very good. But they wouldn't be my first choice (by intuition that is). For me they are too expensive and I have never seen them IRL. Maybe because the last high-end shop I visited didn't even bother to 'help' me or even talk to me even with a ton of money in my wallet. Because of my youthful look, slender appearance, or lack of expensive looking apparel, who knows. I have kind of had it with elitist 'high-end' shops. Maybe because the magic has waned since I've seen that there isn't a real wizard behind the curtain. What opened my eyes 10 tears ago was when my Audio Note amp broke down and it took the whole of 6 months to get it fixed. I started looking online and found a cheap Chinese alternative just for the time being. At first it was promising but utterly lacking (sub)base. At that moment I learned just what 1 pair of capacitors can do to the entire system! A world of difference. I'm not exaggerating.

So then I started looking for answers. And found them. So I modified it. Lo and behold; it turned out to be the equal of the expensive Audio Note (Oto SE), even better it in certain important aspects. That little Yarland cost me €100 less than the repair of the Audio Note ( I even had to phone the shop how the repair was going and had to tell them were to get the replacement tranny). This really got me started on Chinese audio. I led a forum on Chinese audio in my country for years, on how and where to buy and how to modify. I now know a lot of ins and out of hifi. What really brought me down to earth was the story of a certain Mr M Levinson who lost the title to his own name and went to China to make a deal to sell Chinese engineered and manufactured electronics under his own newly blooming red flower name. But at ten times the price! Of course it was met with appraisal in the writing press. All the while (and still) the exact same Chinese products and brands are still met with derision. Maybe rightly so (I know those products were certainly flawed and how) but why were the rebranded items praised in magazines and sold in renowned retail stores? I'm stepping off my horse. I've ridden it long enough now.
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Suffice to say I've upgraded immensely the last 10 years, beyond what I ever imagined possible (my system beats a 100k$ McIntosh/Focal system I heard that I liked very much), at very sensible prices, being lucky buying 2ndH (the Genesis IV and Koetsu Urushi) but also getting parts close to the source and doing the upgrades myself. In my opinion nothing beats a system made up of balanced, very good components tweaked on parts level.

To get back on topic: ATM I'm listening to a Chinese Jolida phono-preamplifier I bought in 2007 that was going for $450 at that time (I bought it @ Chinese price). TNT audio even 'borrowed' my pictures at the time. It is also sold modified with (questionable) upgrades at prices reaching >> $1000. Mine is quite an original. I didn't just upgrade some components. I modified the design, taking out unnecessary parts, rerouting dumb 'reference design' parts and replaced crucial parts for the best I could fit in the signal path. So I dare say (I'm quite sure) my phono-amp is unique. But also very, very good. I know where I came from, I know how much better I made it, and I know that improving will be very costly.

I appreciate the offer on meeting the designer of the Genesis line. But I'm on the other side of the pond and on a budget. I always enjoy meeting designers because I'm on the same level talking to them, but I'm not interested in manufacturing speakers (I do need a workshop, as in place to work in, though).
Edited by ]eep - 7/27/15 at 8:10am
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