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post #301 of 2619
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Depends on what is one using machine for. For home, cleaning a few records a day - almost anything will do. With little more or little less hassle.

If you are faced with say 100 LPs daily, both sides at once machines do make sense. As does the quietness of the vacuum part of the machine - it is not loud from the perspective of onlooking visitor/friend/customer, but for the operator it does get pretty noisy. Please bear in mind not all records can be vacuum cleaned in a single "pass" - there will be always some spots on record that for some reason do not "wet" properly and require repeated or prolonged contact with cleaning solution - MUCH prolonging the time needed with normal records. You have to continously watch the surface of the record on the RCM in order to spot any such problems - requiring you to be quite close to the RCM.

I realize it's still a process I just like the idea if not having to fiddle with brushes.
post #302 of 2619

I want a box (rcm)! I simply lack the funds...rolleyes.gif. Just bought a Pre-Owned TT, so it'll have to wait until spring. New pix to come Sun/Mon.


Edited by Silent One - 12/28/12 at 7:01pm
post #303 of 2619
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I realize it's still a process I just like the idea if not having to fiddle with brushes.

I just upgraded from the 16.5 to the 27. I had planned to buy a 17, but VPI wasn't making them, and I got a smoking deal on the 27. It's a much faster, easier process than the 16.5. And I like to believe that the records are even quieter, but I couldn't swear to that.

Wet-vacuum cleaning records is definitely one of the most impactful changes I've ever made in improving my vinyl playback.
post #304 of 2619

I figured you'd vote in favor considering your recent 27 purchase. 

 

Aren't they still producing the 17? The 17 is my favorite looks wise of the 3, and I don't see much of a reason for a 27 at this point. 

 

I think it's gonna come down to the 17 vs the Nit Grit Mini Pro. 

 

Also, the 27 should have stronger suction than the 16.5 and 17 so they may very well be quieter. 

 

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I just upgraded from the 16.5 to the 27. I had planned to buy a 17, but VPI wasn't making them, and I got a smoking deal on the 27. It's a much faster, easier process than the 16.5. And I like to believe that the records are even quieter, but I couldn't swear to that.
Wet-vacuum cleaning records is definitely one of the most impactful changes I've ever made in improving my vinyl playback.
post #305 of 2619

Audio Advisor has a special edition of the 17, aluminum-bodied and $100 cheaper than the regular version.

 


Edited by grokit - 12/28/12 at 10:41pm
post #306 of 2619
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Jasmine Dragon Pearl tea (green).

GREAT taste ! I should get myself some steam to prepare these more delicate teas right, I guess. > wishlist.

post #307 of 2619

After waking up, my DIY mind started racing - that ultrasound cleaner is definitely THE way to go ... for those who can read German:

 

http://www.audiodesksysteme.de/downloads/vinyl_cleaner_info.pdf

 

- yet another *toy* I will have to add, one way or another. If I could afford it, I would pull the trigger in an eye blink. It does away with the possibility of any demage done to the precious vynil - it never happened to me with Clear Audio Matrix RCM with >>> 1000 LPs cleaned, but I did pay utmost attention at all times. Working in a more casual way, it would have happened at least 3-4 times. Since it obviously improves upon vacuum cleaning machines in sonic department as well, it is absolutely no brainer for those who can afford it.

post #308 of 2619

I translated the 5 page article on the Vinyl Record Cleaner rcm and only saw specs at the end of the article, not price. Do you have a price?

post #309 of 2619

$3895, plus (presumably) shipping from Germany.

 

Operating costs:

 

"You are limited to the Audio Desk’s fluid, which is an alcohol free, biodegradable concentrate said to have excellent anti-static properties (verified). You add a small bottle of it ($14.75 per, or $75 for a six pack) to a gallon of distilled (or much better yet reverse osmosis purified water like Aquafina or from your own reverse osmosis system) and that’s good for at least fifty records until you have to start topping up the fluid (a flashing LED tells you when that’s necessary). So you mix up a second batch and add as necessary. The $99.95 microfiber cleaning barrels need replacing every 500-1000 LPs depending upon how dirty they were to begin with, and you should drain and change the fluid and rinse out the filter every 100 to 200 records. I’m out of space now so I can’t answer the other obvious questions from skeptics other than to say that really dirty, crusty used records should be pre-cleaned."

post #310 of 2619
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I translated the 5 page article on the Vinyl Record Cleaner rcm and only saw specs at the end of the article, not price. Do you have a price?

No. Please read the original link/post of MF's Stereophille review, there are prices for the entire unit and  "consumables" that should/would better be used in anyone's DIY take on the machine, if anything approaching the results of the original are to be achieved. For DIY - be resourceful, imaginative, sacrifice your fav TV show in order to be there for auctions when most needed, ..., etc. But please note, this definitely is not begginer's weekend project !

 

Pretzel logic - just add some ultra sound to the Knosti or .... ( always keep forgetting the name of the  American counterpart ). I'm off to search for some inexpensive ultrasound transducer(s) - when you are dying to try this out, you can always canibalize your ultra sound cleaning bath - but remember there is electricity involved and if you are not 100 % sure what you are doing, you will definitely more enjoy listening to your dirty records on Earth than to ultra pure sounds in H-V-N. Safety first.

post #311 of 2619
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Audio Advisor has a special edition of the 17, aluminum-bodied and $100 cheaper than the regular version.



Wow that looks cool - if they have those in stock, that would be the way to go!
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

I figured you'd vote in favor considering your recent 27 purchase. 

Aren't they still producing the 17? The 17 is my favorite looks wise of the 3, and I don't see much of a reason for a 27 at this point. 

I think it's gonna come down to the 17 vs the Nit Grit Mini Pro. 

Also, the 27 should have stronger suction than the 16.5 and 17 so they may very well be quieter. 

The 17 is still being made, it's just that VPI was shut down for weeks by hurricane Sandy and they got behind on production, especially as the Traveler TT has been very popular. I got the 27 for $300 more than the 17, which seemed like a good deal to me, but that's the only reason I did it, otherwise I would have waited for the 17.
post #312 of 2619
Hey guys, just got back from the flea market. Too bad there weren't much turntable sellers because it was a saturday and most of them work on saturdays. They only go to the flea market on sundays as part time jobs.

One thing though, I went to the person who wanted to sell of his Marlux turntable as my previous posts. He was a very nice person who only is selling it because he now has a son around 2 years old and wrecks almost everything he got his hands on.
But wait, there's more.

The turntable was immaculate, and perfect. I was blown away by his careful care on the turntable and almost feel bad paying, to me, a cheap price on it.
He know so much about vinyl and turntables and he gave me a few pointers in taking care and playing the records.

I bought some records at the flea market, some of them in not really good shapes while one is in very good condition. My first record ever is Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley!! And he pointed out that the condition is very good, albeit some minor scratches just touching the surface.

The turntable has no flaw at all, and he was decent enough to change the defective stylus he detected yesterday. He was playing a Paul McCartney record when it snapped and scratched through the record badly. The tonearm and antiskate was set up by another friend of him whom he refers to as a senior record listener. And yes even from my shaky hands I managed to move and play the cue down to the middle of the record without it skating inward or out.

Now all I need is a good phono stage to feed my tube amp and I'll be all set.

Thank you so much for everyone who had given such lengthy advice and opinions. Now I am proud to say, I own a turntable.
post #313 of 2619

I honestly prefer the black 17 over the aluminum. Either way it's definitely up there. As is the Mini Pro from Nit Grit. Current pricing from my dealer pretty much puts them at the same price.

post #314 of 2619
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post


The 17 is still being made, it's just that VPI was shut down for weeks by hurricane Sandy and they got behind on production, especially as the Traveler TT has been very popular. I got the 27 for $300 more than the 17, which seemed like a good deal to me, but that's the only reason I did it, otherwise I would have waited for the 17.

 

Will you be selling the 16.5, priced to move...to Cali? ksc75smile.gif

post #315 of 2619

Texas is obviously closer. ;)

 

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Will you be selling the 16.5, priced to move...to Cali? ksc75smile.gif

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