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post #2521 of 2668

I watch Joe a lot, he seems genuine and doesn't like to mince words (he once swore against belt-drive and has since reversed that claim) but what do you think of this?

 

 

I would fear for the labels honestly

post #2522 of 2668
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Originally Posted by ostewart View Post

People have tested the iPhono vs £5k phono stages and it was well received.
Also played at Munich high end festival with £20k turntable and £50k speakers... So it is an excellent piece of kit at an exceptional price.
Look in to it as a phono stage. I always say iFi bring out excellent products at excellent prices.

In the same system that featured nano iDSD - at 189 $/Euro :p.

 

I have more than enough great phono stages. Therefore phono preamps at pretty low interest to me at the moment - and in the future. But the way iFi is tackling things, I believe it is an excellent product - at equally excellent price.


Edited by analogsurviver - 6/26/14 at 3:14pm
post #2523 of 2668
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Originally Posted by BLACKENEDPLAGUE View Post
 

I watch Joe a lot, he seems genuine and doesn't like to mince words (he once swore against belt-drive and has since reversed that claim) but what do you think of this?

 

 

I would fear for the labels honestly

THE bette noire of LP records is the label - in MORE ways than most can imagine. It is for the 99,9999% non standardized and as many variations exist as there were/are record plants.

 

The labels differ, one hell of a lot. That is why label area protectors, under various names, are/have been available. One label might be tottaly unaffected by water, another might peel off, yet another might get blurry, yet another totally unreadable after such a bath as in this video. If this Joe mainly works with a single label, it may well work - but *if* you have records from around the globe...


Edited by analogsurviver - 6/26/14 at 3:30pm
post #2524 of 2668

Joe is a once-radio engineer/host from the 80's? Most of his videos involve deprecated electronics. I haven't tried that sink technique as it felt kind of iffy. I haven't found a reasonable technique beyond it unfortunately

post #2525 of 2668
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Originally Posted by BLACKENEDPLAGUE View Post
 

Joe is a once-radio engineer/host from the 80's? Most of his videos involve deprecated electronics. I haven't tried that sink technique as it felt kind of iffy. I haven't found a reasonable technique beyond it unfortunately

Audio advisor Record Doctor V and Kabusa KAB EV-1 are more reasonable, better and not exhorbitantly more expensive options. A rare record, a single one, may well cost more than either of the above RCMs.

 

One possibility for keeping the record labels dry while liquid cleaning:

 

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vinyl-Stack-Record-Cleaner-Label-Protector-45s-33s-78s-/160673353773

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeU_3cO8agg

 

Another, more DIY approach (by the same Joe?)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzAZjYtvbx8 

 

Yet another http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61867

 

Etc, etc ...

post #2526 of 2668
mad.gif stupid editor. 30 min of writing gone.

I used to clean in the kitchensink like that. But I never got my labels wet. I can tell from the picture without looking at the video that that is the redneck way to do it (Hey ya'all, look at me! Famous last words). You don't run the water that fast. Just a little steady stream so that it just doesn't trickle anymore. No dripping but a calm steady flow without bubbles (to fast) or drops (to slow). And always let the stream touch the album downstream from the label. And turn it very slowly so that the stream catches all drops.

I used to use a worn to shreds toothbrush with a little dishwashing soap. The better kind with built in wetting agent so that the water runs off the dishes without leaving any drops. I still use this method to clean my glasses meticulously.

Another method I use for very worn or dirty lp's is the woodglue method. Even professional archivists use it. It will get rid of all grit and half-attached vinyldebris down in the groove. The only thing it doesn't do is greasy fingerprints. So you might want to degrease it first. Also to get rid of fungus etc. Then apply a thin but solid and even layer of white woodglue. That is polyvinylacetate (not the modern yellow polyurethane foaming glue!). Let it dry (takes hours) until it is fully transparent and sort of shiny. Go around the rim and loosen it with a fingernail and then pull it off. Slowly! Slow is sure, sure is fast. Do not let it tear or you will leave behind small islands of glue that are hard to get off and will give nice thumping sounds while played. Not to mention some fancy stylus acrobatics. It won't be the effect you were going for though. biggrin.gif

This is a very slow process but it delivers. Try it on the worst, most defiled, worn and mistreated record you can find and you will be amazed. The cost are about 50c when you can buy the glue cheap. I got some 250ml bottles at €2 at a budget store that will do about 4 lp's.

About the photo's: yes those are two differrent albums. I am not trying to mislead you but I had to look for old photo's on my HD that will explain best. The black vinyl is hard to catch on a photograph, especially when using artificial lighting. The spotlight will highlight all scratches and brushmarks when its actually quite clean.


The first one was a french pressing of 'the good the bad and the ugly' and it was just all that! Good underneath, badly treated and sure as h#ll ugly to look at.


This is a little much glue, but preferable to too little. It will not tear as easily when peeling.


Spread out evenly with an old CC/memberspass and sunbathing for quick drying. Keep it spinning if you do because uneven heat can seriously damage the vinyl. I noticed even when applying a small patch afterwards. The white patch didn't heat up like the dried black rest causing a nasty bump.


Loosen the rim all around with your fingernail we/. You can also see what it looks like when the film has dried enough.


Ahhh. Look what was underneath! All 'n all a very good record. This EW&F album was not as scratched and it is now one of my favorite records soundwise (and has been musically from way back then).
Edited by ]eep - 6/26/14 at 6:07pm
post #2527 of 2668

I love the wood glue cleaning technique so much. No need to dry after washing with water and a little itsy bitsy soap. Just one gripe for me is the static it produces. My house is dusty, I admit, it's so dusty i need to wipe my desk every few days. And I used to use a felt mat. Whenever I peel, I can see the dusts in the felt mat being attracted into the record.

post #2528 of 2668

Maybe a dust(!) cover and then a hand towell draped over the dust(!) cover would work.

post #2529 of 2668
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post
 

Maybe a dust(!) cover and then a hand towell draped over the dust(!) cover would work.

We all wish for our sports bulldozers with low mileage...:D !

post #2530 of 2668

Hi guys I have come across a old Dynatron music centre listed in my local classifieds on reading the description I noticed it has a Lenco GL75 Transcription fitted which has got my attention comes with the speakers shown and am wondering how it might compare/contrast with the Rega Planar 3.  Its reasonably priced and from the original owner who brought it in 1971. It would be neat to broaden my knowledge and gain some new experience with an old school turntable and a possible project.

 

Any views on the Lenco would be welcome especially what to look for positive/negatively wise if I go to view it first hand.

 

Cheers

 

Jamie

 

post #2531 of 2668
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

Hi guys I have come across a old Dynatron music centre listed in my local classifieds on reading the description I noticed it has a Lenco GL75 Transcription fitted which has got my attention comes with the speakers shown and am wondering how it might compare/contrast with the Rega Planar 3.  Its reasonably priced and from the original owner who brought it in 1971. It would be neat to broaden my knowledge and gain some new experience with an old school turntable and a possible project.

 

Any views on the Lenco would be welcome especially what to look for positive/negatively wise if I go to view it first hand.

 

Cheers

 

Jamie

 

I am afraid in this case I have to repeat the classic welcome to the new member of Head-Fi :

 

Welcome & sorry for your wallet ...

 

Click to the folowing link at your own peril - you have been warned: http://www.lencoheaven.net/

post #2532 of 2668
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Originally Posted by penmarker View Post

I love the wood glue cleaning technique so much. No need to dry after washing with water and a little itsy bitsy soap. Just one gripe for me is the static it produces. My house is dusty, I admit, it's so dusty i need to wipe my desk every few days. And I used to use a felt mat. Whenever I peel, I can see the dusts in the felt mat being attracted into the record.
Like I said: use Permostat and your worries are over.
I used to have a Linn with the same %$# felt mat. Every time you change a record you must peel it off and put it back on the platter. Like every disadvantage has it's upside; there's never much dust in the felt mat because it's cleaned by the staticly charges lp everytime. wink.gif Oh, and not to mention the static discharge every time you touch the lp when it's freezing outside. No need to breathe on the LP to see which one is treated with Permostat. The treated ones just left the mat where it was and no dust and no surprises (Zapp!).
post #2533 of 2668
@analogsurviver do you know which one is the better cartridge between the technics p202c and p24?
post #2534 of 2668
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post

@analogsurviver do you know which one is the better cartridge between the technics p202c and p24?

p202c - as a cartridge (laminated pole pieces, p24 has standard pole pieces). However, more important is the stylus. Original styli are VERY good, both EPS- 24CS with an elliptical stylus on alu cantilever and specially EPS-22ED ( Also EPS-202ED, same thing ) with elliptical stylus on boron cantilever. Currently available EPS-24 styli, EVEN if in original Technics package, are no match for the old ones ( frequency response, channel separation, compliance, trackability - the whole deal ); the original ones can be good enough to warrant retipping, approximately from 150 and up. EPS-22ED can suffer from deterioration of the TPDD damper, which manifests itself as the inability to apply the correct tracking force of 1.25 g - max usually possible is below 1 g, where trackability is no longer great. Any increase of VTF merely causes bottoming of the cartridge - so, if you can, try before buying - or make sure you can return the stylus in such a case. Factory sealed original box is no guarantee that suspension is still good (enough). I have never observed such problems with styli for p24.

post #2535 of 2668
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

p202c - as a cartridge (laminated pole pieces, p24 has standard pole pieces). However, more important is the stylus. Original styli are VERY good, both EPS- 24CS with an elliptical stylus on alu cantilever and specially EPS-22ED ( Also EPS-202ED, same thing ) with elliptical stylus on boron cantilever. Currently available EPS-24 styli, EVEN if in original Technics package, are no match for the old ones ( frequency response, channel separation, compliance, trackability - the whole deal ); the original ones can be good enough to warrant retipping, approximately from 150 and up. EPS-22ED can suffer from deterioration of the TPDD damper, which manifests itself as the inability to apply the correct tracking force of 1.25 g - max usually possible is below 1 g, where trackability is no longer great. Any increase of VTF merely causes bottoming of the cartridge - so, if you can, try before buying - or make sure you can return the stylus in such a case. Factory sealed original box is no guarantee that suspension is still good (enough). I have never observed such problems with styli for p24.

Thanks. It's just a temporary solution, i'm cleaning out my closets and found another turntable with a p24, while my 2nd SL-7 has a P202C. The styli are most likely aftermarket, but i want to eventually get another Grado on the SL-7 anyway.

Here's the setup as of now. Try not to cringe too hard. You may hurt yourself wink.gif

Philips 22rh452 speakers
Technics su-z100 (phono) amp
Technics SL-7 turntable

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