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post #2506 of 3520

Stax SRM1MK2 I also use does have to be opened to the 3 o'clock - if not to the very max - with most combinations of phono cartridges and phono preamps. If that is not enough, you can try inserting a line stage preamp between the phono stage and SRM1(MK2). SRM1MK2 does like to be powered by a very low output impedance devices, otherwise its dynamic potential is not fully realized - despite being on paper a non problematic high impedance load. Phono preamps generally do not provide

low output impedance.

 

ART DJPREII offers max 45 dB gain and that goes up to about what you described. I would not bother regarding the position of the volume control being that high - unless experiencing too low sound pressure level with below average modulated records and/or overall unsatisfactory sound.

 

While Nagaoka 555 is a decent cart, it is *perhaps* not up to the resolution Stax is capable of. As I decipher you are on a rather tight budget, I would wait until sufficient finances are available for a better cart ( > arm?>table?>...) - volume control position would be the last concern . Besides that, phono preamps that offer gain adjustment  in small steps (3 dB or there about) AND freedom from overload  AND above normal high output tend to be costly, as they require higher voltage(s) to operate from . The moment one steps outside/above the realm of (approx) + - 15 V DC supplies and op amps prices start to skyrocket. Tube phono preamps, although by default working with high enough voltage,  generally offer high output impedance, something that does not yield good results with SRM1 (MK2).

 

Try as much as you can BEFORE buying - you may well discover that improving upon present level does burn a substantial hole in the pocket. 

post #2507 of 3520

Hey guys,

So my brother just got me JVC FX850 for my birthday so I am thinking what to get him for his birthday in July. I am thinking something related to his turntable system but I don't have much knowledge about turntables, so I hope I can get some suggestions from you guys! He is currently using a Pro-Ject turntable ( I am guessing the Essential or Carbon) with a Cambridge Audio Pre-Amp (Not sure 551P or 651P, most likely 551P) connecting to a Onkyo receiver ( I don't know the model but I guess its pretty decent). The speakers are 2 old KEF floorstanding speakers. My budget is only $200-350 so I am not sure what can I upgrade for him. What do you guys think I can buy him with this budget on this system? The only thing I can think of is probably the pre-amp within this budget, or cartridges or any other accessories? 

Thanks for your time!!

post #2508 of 3520

If your brother does posess a substantial vynil library - how about a record cleaning machine? 

 

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Record-Doctor-V-Record-Cleaning-Machine-US-115v/productinfo/RDV/#.U6vdY_l_t0Y

 

https://www.kabusa.com/ev1.htm

 

Of course there are better featured models of vacuum record cleaners available - particularly they offer record rotation by a motor - but they cost substantially more. The quality of cleaning itself remains pretty equally matched.

post #2509 of 3520
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

If your brother does posess a substantial vynil library - how about a record cleaning machine? 

 

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Record-Doctor-V-Record-Cleaning-Machine-US-115v/productinfo/RDV/#.U6vdY_l_t0Y

 

https://www.kabusa.com/ev1.htm

 

Of course there are better featured models of vacuum record cleaners available - particularly they offer record rotation by a motor - but they cost substantially more. The quality of cleaning itself remains pretty equally matched.

They look pretty nice and thanks for the suggestion. I wouldn't say he has a substantial vinyl collection, I am guessing around 50 only at the moment but the number is definitely going to increase overtime. Are these record cleaning machine a must have for maintaining the quality of the record? I mean how often do you clean your records? Sorry I have no idea:(

post #2510 of 3520
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Originally Posted by jay628 View Post
 

They look pretty nice and thanks for the suggestion. I wouldn't say he has a substantial vinyl collection, I am guessing around 50 only at the moment but the number is definitely going to increase overtime. Are these record cleaning machine a must have for maintaining the quality of the record? I mean how often do you clean your records? Sorry I have no idea:(

The record cleaning has been covered in this and "Post a photograph of your turntable" threads, so you might wish to go trough it.

 

Yes, record cleaning machine is a must have - not only for maintaining the quality of the NEW NEVER PLAYED record, but for cleaning used/second hand/garage sales/thrift store records as well - which may come out of the cleaning machine "sounding (almost ) as new" . It is THE single most required "anything" in phono playback - besides the most obvious basics. 

 

Clean record is going to sound better on present cart>table>preamp>etc (provided that the stylus of said cart is not worn/damaged) than dirty record on better new cartridge. There are numerous examples of "before" and "after" on YouTube - to get you an idea of effectiveness of record cleaning machines.

 

Recently, ultrasonic record cleaning machines that do exceed the level of cleaning possible with vacuum record cleaners have appeared - but they are costly, around 4 K. Bang for the buck, you can not do better than either of the RCMs I posted; YT vidz should get you an idea if a RCM with normal platter turned by motor is a sensible idea or not:

 

 

 

 

 

Here some comments on the use of the ultrasonic Audio Desk RCM ( 4K) in practice - wish I could afford one...

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=116202.0


Edited by analogsurviver - 6/26/14 at 3:13am
post #2511 of 3520
Besides a record cleaning machine I always recommend Permostat anti static treatment. A record cleaning machine makes it pretty safe to buy 2ndH records, even when they are not clean (just watch out for scratches and old records that are played grey). In my experience the record becomes almost even more static from cleaning. It will keep attracting dust. This is rather easy to remove with a carbonfibre brush. But it still sticks, ending up concentrated on one spot where you take the CF-brush off the record giving an annoying repeating swoosh sound.
But when you clean a record and immediately spray it with just a little Permostat (2 or 3 squeezes will suffice) it will be antistatic permanently. You don't need to flood the groove with more like it says in the manual or in any toothpaste add or Axe commercial. Slip it in a clean sleeve and its worryfree from then on.

The record doctor might seem like a good idea but I think after using it for a few times you will get frustrated by lack of user friendliness and working speed. After a few sides it becomes a chore. In the end you won't be using it at all. I saw the Music Hall at the same site for $750. That is a lot of money. But a lot more usable. A lot of money indeeed if you realise it is the exact same article as the Hanss/ Amari that can be bought for $300 (+P&P, but you need strong nerves because there is more risk than buying from a B&M store and shipping can take months).
This Kuzma Vinvac looks very similar. I've bought be4 from this seller; he has very nice analog gear for very decent prices.
Edited by ]eep - 6/26/14 at 10:13am
post #2512 of 3520

My little two-step record cleaning process involves cleaning new/used records with the Spin Clean Clear record washer. Once dried, then throw it onto the Okki Nokki record cleaning machine. 

post #2513 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post
 

My little two-step record cleaning process involves cleaning new/used records with the Spin Clean Clear record washer. Once dried, then throw it onto the Okki Nokki record cleaning machine. 

This business of cleaning the record first with the lower quality cleaning first, followed by another better option is as old as the hills - 

carbon fibre brush > roller cleaning > Spin Clean/ Knosti > Vacuum > Ultrasonic ;

the idea is always the same, to prevent the better cleaning system to get contaminated/used prematurely. In your example, you try to get as clean record to reach the nozzle of Okki Nokki, which can get clogged/contaminated, necessitating not so inexpensive replacement. 

 

I would try to avoid drying the record thoroughly after Spin Clean - the residue it leaves after drying is easier to remove if after the record is no longer dripping, one proceeds directly to vacuum cleaning, In case vacuum cleaning nozzle/brush is removable, cleaning it in  ultrasonic bath in the usual cleaning solution ( isopropyl alcohol + water + some surfactant ) may well restore the nozzle/brush to former glory.

post #2514 of 3520
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 
 

This business of cleaning the record first with the lower quality cleaning first, followed by another better option is as old as the hills - 

carbon fibre brush > roller cleaning > Spin Clean/ Knosti > Vacuum > Ultrasonic ;

the idea is always the same, to prevent the better cleaning system to get contaminated/used prematurely. In your example, you try to get as clean record to reach the nozzle of Okki Nokki, which can get clogged/contaminated, necessitating not so inexpensive replacement. 

 

I would try to avoid drying the record thoroughly after Spin Clean - the residue it leaves after drying is easier to remove if after the record is no longer dripping, one proceeds directly to vacuum cleaning, In case vacuum cleaning nozzle/brush is removable, cleaning it in  ultrasonic bath in the usual cleaning solution ( isopropyl alcohol + water + some surfactant ) may well restore the nozzle/brush to former glory.

You're on to me! :D What I'll do is wipe excess moisture away leaving the record damp not completely dried and proceed to transfer. Suddenly, today's chat now has me in the mood to fire up the TT soon! Maybe Friday or Sunday night...

post #2515 of 3520
Just got my iFi iPhono, nice little pre amp with excellent noise floor and also loads of options in terms of EQ for different records.
post #2516 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post
 

You're on to me! :D What I'll do is wipe excess moisture away leaving the record damp not completely dried and proceed to transfer. Suddenly, today's chat now has me in the mood to fire up the TT soon! Maybe Friday or Sunday night...

After hearing what ultrasonic cleaning brings to the table, there is only one course of action left for me - to DIY my own, can not afford 4K$. And might decide to pre-clean first with the roller, than Knosti ( EU variant of Spin Clean ) , finally going to ultrasonic. Here things become a bit problematic; to vacuum WITHOUT physical contact, blow off excess liquid, and/or just leave to naturally dry ?? Commercially available ultrasonic cleaners differ most in this last step...

post #2517 of 3520
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

After hearing what ultrasonic cleaning brings to the table, there is only one course of action left for me - to DIY my own, can not afford 4K$. And might decide to pre-clean first with the roller, than Knosti ( EU variant of Spin Clean ) , finally going to ultrasonic. Here things become a bit problematic; to vacuum WITHOUT physical contact, blow off excess liquid, and/or just leave to naturally dry ?? Commercially available ultrasonic cleaners differ most in this last step...

I'd like to bring home a new ultrasonic model. Right after I bring home a new job. :tongue_smile: 

post #2518 of 3520
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Originally Posted by ostewart View Post

Just got my iFi iPhono, nice little pre amp with excellent noise floor and also loads of options in terms of EQ for different records.

I am about to start "moonlighting" with another iFi product - the hardly believable micro iDSD. Did not particularly well check up their phono, but if it is made with 10% of determination of the micro iDSD, must still be an awesome product ...

 

Currently enjoying a DSD128 needledrop trough their nano iDSD while typing this :D.

post #2519 of 3520
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post
 

I'd like to bring home a new ultrasonic model. Right after I bring home a new job. :tongue_smile: 

I wish you to suceed !

post #2520 of 3520
People have tested the iPhono vs £5k phono stages and it was well received.
Also played at Munich high end festival with £20k turntable and £50k speakers... So it is an excellent piece of kit at an exceptional price.
Look in to it as a phono stage. I always say iFi bring out excellent products at excellent prices.
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