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post #2431 of 3520
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

In such cases, almost always visit to vinylengine  will provide user and service manuals - but for the PL 514, it is unfortunately only user manual available:

 

http://www.vinylengine.com/library/pioneer/pl-514.shtml

 

From that very same link : 

 

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Submitted by mattyg

Very pleasantly surprised by the PL-514. One of the quietest, rumble free non-suspended belt drive tables I have come across and a very good budget table. Thanks to Vinyl Engine for the manual, it was a big help in setting the overhang adjustment. Pioneer should have included adjustment procedures in the manual, however.

BTW - The tonearm clearance issue IS NOT adjusted by removing the rubber plug next to the arm and adjusting the screw inside. That is the automatic return trip adjustment screw, and set it to trigger the return as close to the label as the arm can get.

The tonearm clearance adjustment is the little setscrew on the side of the lifting platform under the tonearm. Loosen the setscrew and adjust the arm's auto-return height, then tighten it back up. It requires a very small flat blade screwdriver.

 

However, do try to find out whether there is a service manual for a similar Pioneer TT - as the arms and auto return mechanisms tend to be pretty generic. While at it, depending on what you expect from a turntable, you can leave it as it is if it has "conviniently" disabled its auto return function. This in most cases when it is mechanically actuated does NOT come for free - it creates additional friction in lateral direction, limitting the ultimate trackability of that arm - and therefore lowering the sound quality attainable. Auto returns that do not come with this penalty are $$$ and far in-beetween, usually on TOTL TTs.

 

Whenever possible, I do disable it in decks with arms benefitting from such action - and if end of side auto lift is unconditional requirement, use Q-up instead.

I could give you a hug for that, going to need to try that later.  Thanks!
It didn't line up with the hole at first, even after trying different adjustments it either stops too early on the record or returns and drops too early.

Second edit: May have fixed it.


Edited by GasMaskMan - 4/6/14 at 4:42pm
post #2432 of 3520

Here's the thing I have been really enjoying my return to vinyl and its got me thinking about where to go next, I am using a Rega Planner 3 with original S arm, A&P cart fitted with a SAS stylus 1 and a Clearaudio nano phono.

 

What would be considered a solid move up from here and more importantly what sort of budget will I need to find without going overboard ie the best bang for my buck options?

 

I would also seriously consider a diy project as I have a small workshop with a good selection of tools and machinery to hand it would also allow the cost to be spread over what ever the build time might be. Building a high quality bespoke base/plinth solid or veneered is well within my capabilities then fitting with a quality arm. This is most probably my preferred option. I really don't know wear to look or start so some pointers, thoughts and suggestions from those who have gone down a similar route would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Jamie


Edited by JamieMcC - 4/8/14 at 12:26pm
post #2433 of 3520

I don't think you'll find any significant (realistic) improvement.

post #2434 of 3520

My wallet is liking your opinion thanks.

post #2435 of 3520
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

Here's the thing I have been really enjoying my return to vinyl and its got me thinking about where to go next, I am using a Rega Planner 3 with original S arm, A&P cart fitted with a SAS stylus 1 and a Clearaudio nano phono.

 

What would be considered a solid move up from here and more importantly what sort of budget will I need to find without going overboard ie the best bang for my buck options?

 

I would also seriously consider a diy project as I have a small workshop with a good selection of tools and machinery to hand it would also allow the cost to be spread over what ever the build time might be. Building a high quality bespoke base/plinth solid or veneered is well within my capabilities then fitting with a quality arm. This is most probably my preferred option. I really don't know wear to look or start so some pointers, thoughts and suggestions from those who have gone down a similar route would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Jamie

This is a situation best avoided at all costs.

 

Why ? If your purpose is only best bang for the buck - ask yourself *IF* you think your first attempt would yield a bettter result than say a Rega XY - a proven design, regardless of all the markups etc likely to be cost effective at the very least. It was arrived at by research and development - and that TAKES TIME AND MONEY - one hell of a lot of both prior the design is sucessful. And ((acess to ) the machining tools of high enough precision is mandatory. $$$$$$$ .

 

If it is "I want to listen to my own made TT" or "I want to make the best TT in the world" - both are different game, both are valid. But you can forget cost effectiveness, at least initially.  Plinth, although far from trivial, is nothing compared to main bearing, platter, drive system , vibration control - need I to continue ?

 

Effectively, it usually leads to becoming another manufacturer. Your - or anyone else's for that matter - first second   (n-1)th attempt is likely to sound worse than a well established product from a good manufacturer for the similar money outlay. n being the number of attempts required till there is at least tie with the existing product for the money. 

 

Those are the options; only you can decide which one is the best for you.

 

To put things in perspective - no turntable ( disc rotating ) can yield as much as the change from the regular to the SAS stylus - and specially not if it needs to be bang for the buck as well.

post #2436 of 3520

Analogsurvivor thanks for a really interesting reply lots to ponder over there.

post #2437 of 3520
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Originally Posted by JamieMcC View Post
 

Here's the thing I have been really enjoying my return to vinyl and its got me thinking about where to go next, I am using a Rega Planner 3 with original S arm, A&P cart fitted with a SAS stylus 1 and a Clearaudio nano phono.

 

What would be considered a solid move up from here and more importantly what sort of budget will I need to find without going overboard ie the best bang for my buck options?

 

I would also seriously consider a diy project as I have a small workshop with a good selection of tools and machinery to hand it would also allow the cost to be spread over what ever the build time might be. Building a high quality bespoke base/plinth solid or veneered is well within my capabilities then fitting with a quality arm. This is most probably my preferred option. I really don't know wear to look or start so some pointers, thoughts and suggestions from those who have gone down a similar route would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Jamie

 

I had a Rega Planar 3 table when I started.

 

Once you start upgrading there's no end to it. This was a while back. I moved up to a VPI 19. I like it because it had a record clamp and very stable. I just kept upgrading it. I also bought a very stable and heavy stand for it. I always check it for level and alignment. Upgraded the tonearm to air-bearing and cartridge to MC. Upgraded the interconnect. Upgraded my phono preamp. No end. It was fun though.

post #2438 of 3520
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I had a Rega Planar 3 table when I started.

 

Once you start upgrading there's no end to it. This was a while back. I moved up to a VPI 19. I like it because it had a record clamp and very stable. I just kept upgrading it. I also bought a very stable and heavy stand for it. I always check it for level and alignment. Upgraded the tonearm to air-bearing and cartridge to MC. Upgraded the interconnect. Upgraded my phono preamp. No end. It was fun though.

Can you specify MC, phono preamp etc sounds like a very serious setup.

post #2439 of 3520
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Originally Posted by RUMAY408 View Post
 

Can you specify MC, phono preamp etc sounds like a very serious setup.

 

A high output Sumiko Virtuoso Boron MC. My preamp was a VTL Ultimate. I was using an ET2 air-bearing tonearm upgraded with a higher pressure manifold. It looked like this.

 


Edited by wuwhere - 4/9/14 at 9:23pm
post #2440 of 3520
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

 

A high output Sumiko Virtuoso Boron MC. My preamp was a VTL Ultimate. I was using an ET2 air-bearing tonearm upgraded with a higher pressure manifold. It looked like this.

 

At long last, my fav pick up arm. Mine is still with the original low pressure manifold, but will "hopefully in forseeable future" give it air it deserves. 

 

It is my default arm to test any phono cartridge; it has adjustable everything. There are arms more suitable for certain cartridges, but as an evaluation tool for cartridges,  ET2 is second to none. The second audio component, after the Transcriptors Stylus Scales, that earned Component I Will Die With status. 

 

Mr. Thigpen , the owner and overall #1 at Eminent Technology, still supports this arm to this very day; when I lost the Allen key ( in Europe odd inch dimension ), all it took was an email and a week later, it came. For free - THAT is what I call product support - THREE DECADES AFTER the initial purchase has been made ...

post #2441 of 3520
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

 

A high output Sumiko Virtuoso Boron MC. My preamp was a VTL Ultimate. I was using an ET2 air-bearing tonearm upgraded with a higher pressure manifold. It looked like this.

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Thanks for sharing the Pic, that's a beautiful TT setup :beerchug:

post #2442 of 3520
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Originally Posted by RUMAY408 View Post
 

Thanks for sharing the Pic, that's a beautiful TT setup :beerchug:

 

That's not my TT but it looked like that. Also that is a VPI 19. I got out of vinyl many moons ago.

 

I still have the Virtuoso Boron cartridge. It can be retipped but not cheap though.


Edited by wuwhere - 4/10/14 at 7:19pm
post #2443 of 3520
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

At long last, my fav pick up arm. Mine is still with the original low pressure manifold, but will "hopefully in forseeable future" give it air it deserves. 

 

It is my default arm to test any phono cartridge; it has adjustable everything. There are arms more suitable for certain cartridges, but as an evaluation tool for cartridges,  ET2 is second to none. The second audio component, after the Transcriptors Stylus Scales, that earned Component I Will Die With status. 

 

Mr. Thigpen , the owner and overall #1 at Eminent Technology, still supports this arm to this very day; when I lost the Allen key ( in Europe odd inch dimension ), all it took was an email and a week later, it came. For free - THAT is what I call product support - THREE DECADES AFTER the initial purchase has been made ...

 

These arms are very expensive now. With a higher pressure manifold I had to use a higher pressure pump from Wisa with a surge tank. I even installed an in-line pressure gauge. I kept the pump and tank in a closet coz it was noisy.

post #2444 of 3520
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

 

That's not my TT but it looked like that. Also that is a VPI 19. I got out of vinyl many moons ago.

 

I still have the Virtuoso Boron cartridge. It can be retipped but not cheap though.

THAT is a VERY good cartridge.  It is perhaps the ultimate expression of the ring magnet MC design - theorethically and ( practically ... - *IF* ... ) - so, well worth ANY cost for retipping. Presently, only Transfiguration is keeping the ring magnet MC torch alive -  all others have returned to the far greener pastures of much more conventional Ortofon design. 

 

That *IF* is somewhat understandable - ring MC design does not generally allow any fine tweaking of the adjustment(s) of the suspension etc of the cartridge - requiring bull's eye at the first attempt. Or not-so-good-performance with an average production unit. Only a few percent of the total production run are truly shipshape - the vast majority will end up below the standards normally achievable with more conventional design(s) that do allow after the fact adjustments.

 

However - if you stumble upon *perfect* example of a ring magnet MC - stick to it (if the suspension is not shot) - and retip as necessary. Save for Tran$figuration, they just do not make them like that anymore !

post #2445 of 3520
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

 

These arms are very expensive now. With a higher pressure manifold I had to use a higher pressure pump from Wisa with a surge tank. I even installed an in-line pressure gauge. I kept the pump and tank in a closet coz it was noisy.

True on all counts. That is why I am $till soldering on with the original low presure version and relatively quiet pump that goes with it. 

 

The Aichille's heel of ET ( or any other air bearing linear tracker ) are cartridge output wires. They are an enormous PITA - both in mechanical as well as in electrical sense. They set the ultimate limit for the performance - so keeping them dressed up JUST right is prerequisite for anything like achieving the potential of this arm.

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