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post #2191 of 2542
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Arcorob, we are not that different - let's say I am "a couple of full moons" older and therefore more experienced. You are in exactly the age range where people are prone to believe they have the whole knowledge covered -  I used to be much the same LOL. 

 

After "a few more full moons "... - main thing: we both love music, we would not be fiddlin' with TTs otherwise !


Very true...have a great evening...

post #2192 of 2542

Lol as for the Heresy I was going on hearsay from a forum, didn't know how they actually sounded. Is it pretty much like a loud fart?

post #2193 of 2542
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Lol as for the Heresy I was going on hearsay from a forum, didn't know how they actually sounded. Is it pretty much like a loud fart?

No..they sound like Gabriel's trumpet ...I just don't like horn tweeters...something Klipsch is known for...

 

Now I would take a pair of these (about $2000 to $2400 a pair)

http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/silver-rx/rx8/


Edited by arcorob - 1/28/14 at 6:42am
post #2194 of 2542
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post
 

The only unamplified live music is classical, solo, chamber, symphonic and opera.  Otherwise, you're mostly listening to a PA.  It's fun to see performers make music but most of the time you're at the mercy of the electronics they're playing through.  

Mostly true - but one of the best "sounds" I heard - EVER - was jazz; Nat Adderly Quartet, as guest in the show called Izza odra ( Backstage ), run for a number of years by Brane Rončel (pronounced close to Ronchel), in the big studio 1 of TV Slovenija. Best PA in the world - NONE. With the quartet no more than 2 metres from my seat.

It was the last time I succumbed to the thrill & excitement after the concert by buying a CD - yUUUCKKK !!!

 

Here one of the few Izza odra to survive on youtube : 

Good stuff.  Sounds a lot like Keith Jarrett.  Sure are a lot of speakers and wires and microphones around.

 

I got to hear Nat with his brother once.  They were classic.  George Duke was on keys.

 

Another youtube fav of mine is Night Music, a show hosted by Dave Sanbord.  Very eclectic and interesting and he had the best guests on his show.  If you don't know it, you should.

 

Today I await my Groovetracer sub-platter and platter for my RP6.

 

http://groovetracer.com/RP6Subplatter.htm

 

http://groovetracer.com/DelrinPlatter.htm

 

I already have the 130 gram counterweight.

 

AppleMark

post #2195 of 2542

I have a pair of back loaded horns. It's a kit from Madisound, the BK-20 enclosure, with the Fostex FE206En 8in. drivers with T90a Supertweets. They sound very, very good but there is one issue. The sub-bass is mostly absent  unless you listen fairly loud and that impact of bass is lacking. A subwoofer is required for any music with real content below 60hz.

 

The imaging, soundstage, midrange and treble are quite convincing though. So, if you'r eon a budget you can get the whole kit without the tweets for around $700. The supertweets brings a small improvement to air, not really worth the cost IMO, but the SQ makes them a keeper for me. Then in the future you can acquire some subs as funds allow.

 

The beauty of high-efficiency horns is that you can use flea power amps that are generally better at extracting micro-detail than big beefy amps, and because of a lack of crossover, its a direct connection. Less is more IMO.

 

Cheers,

Brunk

post #2196 of 2542
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Originally Posted by BLACKENEDPLAGUE View Post
 

Lol as for the Heresy I was going on hearsay from a forum, didn't know how they actually sounded. Is it pretty much like a loud fart?

No - it is like sopranino version of Klipschorn. I like it for chamber music, baroque, etc, anything not desperately requiring proper deep bass. While not definitive in anything, it does have good dynamics and can be pretty enjoyable

with material not relying on bass. It is the nightmare for deep basshead listeners - it can not give anything like proper bass foundation in a large(r)  symphony, for example - not to mention electronica, rap, dubstep, etc.

 

It can sound very lifelike - that is how it survived in production for so long, giving nearly "true" Klipsch sound to the people who lack the proper space and/or wallet to accomodate true horns. I was quite pleasently surprised by a pair of a friend, who bought them new approx 5 years ago. For smaller rooms, for non Marcus Miller type afficionados can be the right decision at about their price point. Very efficient; can be driven with minuscule tube amps , so if you are SET (Single Ended Triode) HSD ( Hollow State Device ) lover, quite a good pairing with Heresy.

 

If you do not have them already, please do report how do they sound to you in your system after you have some time with them - useful to others that may be interested in this kind of sound.

post #2197 of 2542
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Good stuff.  Sounds a lot like Keith Jarrett.  Sure are a lot of speakers and wires and microphones around.

 

I got to hear Nat with his brother once.  They were classic.  George Duke was on keys.

 

Another youtube fav of mine is Night Music, a show hosted by Dave Sanbord.  Very eclectic and interesting and he had the best guests on his show.  If you don't know it, you should.

 

Today I await my Groovetracer sub-platter and platter for my RP6.

 

http://groovetracer.com/RP6Subplatter.htm

 

http://groovetracer.com/DelrinPlatter.htm

 

I already have the 130 gram counterweight.

 

AppleMark

I merely presented a vid I could still find online of Izza odra - that night, Nat Adderly Quartet was performin WITHOUT any mike/speakers - upright bass included, I remember wondering how "some" upright bass players "claimed" it can not be done in large(r) venue. QED - it CAN. 

 

I found later the whole show of Esbjörn Svensson Trio from 2003 season - here the part 1 : 

 

 

Just go for the 2/9 etc to see the whole show.

 

Another memorarable one :

 

 

Yeah, those Groovetracer goodies coming your way is the definite way to go with Rega; they appear a bit pricey, but although I have never seen or heard any Groovetracer product, the precision they are made with does inspire confidence. Too bad Rega can not be bought without bits and pieces replaceable with Groovetracer - THAT combo would be an awesome value for money TT ...

post #2198 of 2542
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

I have a pair of back loaded horns. It's a kit from Madisound, the BK-20 enclosure, with the Fostex FE206En 8in. drivers with T90a Supertweets. They sound very, very good but there is one issue. The sub-bass is mostly absent  unless you listen fairly loud and that impact of bass is lacking. A subwoofer is required for any music with real content below 60hz.

 

The imaging, soundstage, midrange and treble are quite convincing though. So, if you'r eon a budget you can get the whole kit without the tweets for around $700. The supertweets brings a small improvement to air, not really worth the cost IMO, but the SQ makes them a keeper for me. Then in the future you can acquire some subs as funds allow.

 

The beauty of high-efficiency horns is that you can use flea power amps that are generally better at extracting micro-detail than big beefy amps, and because of a lack of crossover, its a direct connection. Less is more IMO.

 

Cheers,

Brunk

Great description of this type of speaker !

post #2199 of 2542
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Great description of this type of speaker !

Thanks Analogsurviver :)

 

I would also like to add that the everything is very cohesive, thanks to absolute phase and the directionality. Images are totally concrete. I feel confident in saying that you have to spend upwards of $6k on a normal pre-made hifi speaker just to get on a general equal footing of this speaker, and much more to definitively call it an upgrade. I can only imagine the bass improvements I would get with a 6-8ft. tall enclosure, further upping the ante. I haven't heard a branded multi-driver speaker that can compete with horns below that price range.

post #2200 of 2542

I wonder how big the kit horn loudspeakers are.  Mostly, good(?) sounding horn speakers are pretty big which kind of negates the space saving of a flea powered amp. I've tried to like them (horns), I've heard Klipsch all my adult life, even visited his home in Hope (my mother was friend of both wives, Belle and Valerie) and I worked for a dealer.  The one horn speaker I did like was around a 100K a pair with the flaming tweeters.

post #2201 of 2542
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

No - it is like sopranino version of Klipschorn. I like it for chamber music, baroque, etc, anything not desperately requiring proper deep bass. While not definitive in anything, it does have good dynamics and can be pretty enjoyable

with material not relying on bass. It is the nightmare for deep basshead listeners - it can not give anything like proper bass foundation in a large(r)  symphony, for example - not to mention electronica, rap, dubstep, etc.

 

It can sound very lifelike - that is how it survived in production for so long, giving nearly "true" Klipsch sound to the people who lack the proper space and/or wallet to accomodate true horns. I was quite pleasently surprised by a pair of a friend, who bought them new approx 5 years ago. For smaller rooms, for non Marcus Miller type afficionados can be the right decision at about their price point. Very efficient; can be driven with minuscule tube amps , so if you are SET (Single Ended Triode) HSD ( Hollow State Device ) lover, quite a good pairing with Heresy.

 

If you do not have them already, please do report how do they sound to you in your system after you have some time with them - useful to others that may be interested in this kind of sound.

So..... this would be perfect

 

  

post #2202 of 2542
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post
 

I wonder how big the kit horn loudspeakers are.  Mostly, good(?) sounding horn speakers are pretty big which kind of negates the space saving of a flea powered amp. I've tried to like them (horns), I've heard Klipsch all my adult life, even visited his home in Hope (my mother was friend of both wives, Belle and Valerie) and I worked for a dealer.  The one horn speaker I did like was around a 100K a pair with the flaming tweeters.

This is the cabinet i use. It's by no means small, but it isn't huge either. You can also see links to  my fostex FE206En horns and t90a tweeters on that page.

 

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/full-range-speaker-kits/fostex-bk-20-cabinet-sold-flat-each/

post #2203 of 2542

I used Heresy IIs for years and loved 'em... then again, how could I not when I paid a mere $20 for the pair? :biggrin:

post #2204 of 2542
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Thanks Analogsurviver :)

 

I would also like to add that the everything is very cohesive, thanks to absolute phase and the directionality. Images are totally concrete. I feel confident in saying that you have to spend upwards of $6k on a normal pre-made hifi speaker just to get on a general equal footing of this speaker, and much more to definitively call it an upgrade. I can only imagine the bass improvements I would get with a 6-8ft. tall enclosure, further upping the ante. I haven't heard a branded multi-driver speaker that can compete with horns below that price range.

Another great elaboration on the theme... - congrats !

post #2205 of 2542
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Originally Posted by bbophead View Post
 

I wonder how big the kit horn loudspeakers are.  Mostly, good(?) sounding horn speakers are pretty big which kind of negates the space saving of a flea powered amp. I've tried to like them (horns), I've heard Klipsch all my adult life, even visited his home in Hope (my mother was friend of both wives, Belle and Valerie) and I worked for a dealer.  The one horn speaker I did like was around a 100K a pair with the flaming tweeters.

Nice to hear about your mother having known both wives of Mr. Klipsch.

 

If you REALLY want to get to know some big horns, it will be necessary to do it in cyrilic alphabet - I remember a full size JAES paper about

ultrasuperduperhollowstatedevice

amplifier of a whopping below one watt of power output; realizing its goodies trough perhaps smaller woods of russian birch with MUCH above100 dB/W/m

in horn loaded enclosures...- which was NOT covered in JAES paper.

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