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post #1696 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Destroysall View Post

Hello CH23! The SL-7, based on reviews seems to be a wonderful table! I would check out the manuals via Vinyl Engine (you will need to sign up for a FREE account to view them) to help you determine which cartridge you can use (in terms of weight). I do recommending reading up which Grado cartridge suits you best on websites like Audiokarma and Vinyl Engine. My personal favorite though has always been the Grado Gold1 Prestige. I've heard it before and the music it reproduced was more than amazing.

In terms of equipment, what is your budget?

i'd like to keep the amp and phono under €1300.
My budget for the whole thing is quite unlimited, as i can save money for things i want to buy wink.gif

Thanks for the link, i'll make sure i don't put too much weight on it smily_headphones1.gif

The thing with getting grado on grado is that it might "amplify" the grado sound to unwanted levels.

I'm in the middle of buying the PS1000, and i will ask the store owner if he has any Grado elements ready to listen to.

-CH23
post #1697 of 2630
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post


i'd like to keep the amp and phono under €1300.
My budget for the whole thing is quite unlimited, as i can save money for things i want to buy wink.gif

Thanks for the link, i'll make sure i don't put too much weight on it smily_headphones1.gif

The thing with getting grado on grado is that it might "amplify" the grado sound to unwanted levels.

I'm in the middle of buying the PS1000, and i will ask the store owner if he has any Grado elements ready to listen to.

-CH23

That could be possible, though I wouldn't think it to be a terrible thing. However I guess it may really just depend on the listener. Personally, I'd recommend you (if your tonearm can handle the weight) to check out Ortofon. I know they are probably one of the more popular manufactures out there, but they have excellent quality, sound, and price!

 

For equipment, you could always opt for an all-in-one solution. The Marantz PM5004 includes a Moving Magnet [Moving Iron should be fine] Phono Stage and a headphone out that should serve you well. The many pros that come with are that it won't leave your wallet hurting, you have the opportunity to use efficient speakers in the future if you decide, and that you can then spend the rest of your budget money on vinyl. : - )


Edited by Destroysall - 9/27/13 at 10:54am
post #1698 of 2630
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Originally Posted by CH23 View Post
 

Hello all!

 

after setting up a great portable rig, i'm now trying to upgrade my home setup.

 

at this moment i have a technics SL-7 turntable, and a few Grado headphones (PS-1000, RS-2, GR-10)

i need to upgrade my pre-amp, and am looking for a headphone amp.

 

i'm also looking for a new cartridge, and i think i will simply go for one of the sub $200 grado ones.

 

i think i'd prefer solid state amps, as it's easier to keep them 'neat'

 

anyone got any suggestions?

 

thank you,

CH23

 

For the SL-7 ( or any other TTs using T4P P-Mount cartridge ) you can go to 

http://www.p-mount.net/

and download and listen to most carts presently available. If you have the original Technics EPC P202C cartridge, I would suggest getting Jico SAS stylus. IN US SL-7 also came fitted with Ortofon TM series ( P mount version of OM ) - getting the Digitrac 300 cartridge or stylus ( it is an Ortofon OM30 in disguise) would also produce nice result.

Grado P Mounts are VERY happy in Technics SL linear tracking series arm. No dreaded Grado dance etc. The better the stylus, the better the sound. 

Hum is present, but should not be objectionable.

 

You can search for the Sleeping Beauty posts on closest relative of SL-7, the SL-DL 1 I posted about half a year ago either on "photograph" or "setup" threads. Good info on isolation etc.

post #1699 of 2630

So yesterday for my birthday my Aunt  - who runs a business on ebay reselling garage sale stuff - surprised me with:

 

Pioneer Pl-220

AudioTechnica SL-D30

 

and some cheapo panasonic TT/FM/AM/Cassette w/ crap speakers. 

 

She also got me a pile of vinyl. Everything from Steely Dan to the stars wars soundtrack. 

 

she paid about $30 for all of it. 

 

This is my intro into the TT world. So I took a look around. The pioneer seems to be the best of the bunch, but the cartridge is INOP. The user manual says it needs  4-8g cartridge - 4 posts in the back, two screws through the top. 

 

Where do I start? It needs a new cartridge and a good cleaning. Also need a prephono of some sort. 

 

What cartridge do I buy? Give me a few price ranges (sub $20, sub $40, and sub $100). What is a good phono pre amp for cheap? Any good DIY kits?

 

Thanks guys. 

post #1700 of 2630
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Originally Posted by mvrk10256 View Post
 

So yesterday for my birthday my Aunt  - who runs a business on ebay reselling garage sale stuff - surprised me with:

 

Pioneer Pl-220

AudioTechnica SL-D30

 

and some cheapo panasonic TT/FM/AM/Cassette w/ crap speakers. 

 

She also got me a pile of vinyl. Everything from Steely Dan to the stars wars soundtrack. 

 

she paid about $30 for all of it. 

 

This is my intro into the TT world. So I took a look around. The pioneer seems to be the best of the bunch, but the cartridge is INOP. The user manual says it needs  4-8g cartridge - 4 posts in the back, two screws through the top. 

 

Where do I start? It needs a new cartridge and a good cleaning. Also need a prephono of some sort. 

 

What cartridge do I buy? Give me a few price ranges (sub $20, sub $40, and sub $100). What is a good phono pre amp for cheap? Any good DIY kits?

 

Thanks guys. 

 

I haven't heard of the PL-220, but my guess would be it is a belt drive turntable.. I would do some research first, find out what cartridge the tonearm can utilize (in terms of weight). Cleaning it up is perhaps a priority. In terms of what cartridge may be best suitable for it, I would think the Audio-Technica AT95e would work fine and actually serve you well. For a phono preamp, try perhaps the vintage market or the budget options listed by the Needle Doctor..

 

Good luck and enjoy some records when you can! :)

post #1701 of 2630

Should this prove of interest to anyone : the intermittent hum that was driving me crazy seems to have disappeared.

My unexpected solution : closing the dust cover while playing vinyl.

Why that should have solved my problem I don't know (the ground wire, it seems, might have been brushing against the cover when it was up), but I can now listen to records in peace.

post #1702 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post
 

Should this prove of interest to anyone : the intermittent hum that was driving me crazy seems to have disappeared.

My unexpected solution : closing the dust cover while playing vinyl.

Why that should have solved my problem I don't know (the ground wire, it seems, might have been brushing against the cover when it was up), but I can now listen to records in peace.

 

:tongue_smile::duggfloat::deadhorse::L3000::beerchug:.

RLOF - happened soooo loooong ago I totally forgot about it.

 

Records are not perfectly round and/or pressed on center. And on some designs of players, there is just not enough space to cover for

less-than-perfect-records. It can happen with lid in closed, fully open, somewhere in between position - and can sound like intermittent "hum".

But can also happen with no lid at all.

 

Best way for checking if anything is brushing upon something else is in quiet room without speakers or headphones - you should hear funny sounds once per revolution if you listen from a close enough distance.

post #1703 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Destroysall View Post
 

 

I haven't heard of the PL-220, but my guess would be it is a belt drive turntable.. I would do some research first, find out what cartridge the tonearm can utilize (in terms of weight). Cleaning it up is perhaps a priority. In terms of what cartridge may be best suitable for it, I would think the Audio-Technica AT95e would work fine and actually serve you well. For a phono preamp, try perhaps the vintage market or the budget options listed by the Needle Doctor..

 

Good luck and enjoy some records when you can! :)

 

It is a belt drive. I have the user manual. It is fully adjustable and says 4g-9g cartridge weight. 

post #1704 of 2630
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

 

:tongue_smile::duggfloat::deadhorse::L3000::beerchug:.

RLOF - happened soooo loooong ago I totally forgot about it.

 

Records are not perfectly round and/or pressed on center. And on some designs of players, there is just not enough space to cover for

less-than-perfect-records. It can happen with lid in closed, fully open, somewhere in between position - and can sound like intermittent "hum".

But can also happen with no lid at all.

 

Best way for checking if anything is brushing upon something else is in quiet room without speakers or headphones - you should hear funny sounds once per revolution if you listen from a close enough distance.

 

No need for quotation marks on "hum", nor for the ugliest string of random "images" I've ever seen.

I may not be an expert on vinyl, and certainly would never claim to be, but I very much doubt random bursts of high-pitched whine can be attributed to imperfect records when a record is not actually being played. As was the case with my machine.

Unless you're refering to something I've missed ?

post #1705 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post
 

 

No need for quotation marks on "hum", nor for the ugliest string of random "images" I've ever seen.

I may not be an expert on vinyl, and certainly would never claim to be, but I very much doubt random bursts of high-pitched whine can be attributed to imperfect records when a record is not actually being played. As was the case with my machine.

Unless you're refering to something I've missed ?

 

I think your guess that the ground was disrupted with the open dust cover is likely right.  Either way glad to hear you're up and running.

                                                                                                                                                                                                     :beyersmile:

post #1706 of 2630
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Originally Posted by mvrk10256 View Post
 

 

It is a belt drive. I have the user manual. It is fully adjustable and says 4g-9g cartridge weight. 

Than the AT95e should work perfectly for you!! : - )

post #1707 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Destroysall View Post
 

Than the AT95e should work perfectly for you!! : - )

 

Good. Thats what I got from amazon. and one of those Pyle phono pre amps for now. I gotta find time to get it setup so I can trash the one i am using right now. Combination of old speakers and amp that were bargain drawr when they were new, and they smell of musty cigarettes....

post #1708 of 2630
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post
 

 

No need for quotation marks on "hum", nor for the ugliest string of random "images" I've ever seen.

I may not be an expert on vinyl, and certainly would never claim to be, but I very much doubt random bursts of high-pitched whine can be attributed to imperfect records when a record is not actually being played. As was the case with my machine.

Unless you're refering to something I've missed ?

 

I did not want to insult you in any way. Just your post triggered that response in view of the long almost forgotten experience. It took me almost a week to figure out what exactly was wrong with that machine.

 

It can be anything. I actually did check the exact standards records are supposed to conform to after a similar incident as yours. Real records are unfortunately often outside limits prescribed by standards - any one of them. 

 

It can be brushing of LP against the plinth/lid cover/antiskating mechanism/etc etc that might be mistaken for intermittent hum. If it happens only with certain records and it is OK with others, this might well explain it. Such things are best heard with turntable spinning withot stylus being in the groove, it is easier with a sthetoscope. There is another very unlikely possibility - record support (mat ) on the table is poor enough for the record to oscillate like "hum" the second stylus is in the groove. I never experienced it at so low frequency, but it did happen during trackability test with a test record; resonance was so loud it could clearly be heard across the room, no speakers/headphone playing ... Some of the above might explain high pitched whine you have experienced, but above is not perfect complement of everything that might go wrong.

 

Old cables can start humming like your description - I always replace them, as they were poor to begin with 30 or so years down the line. And EUR 1.75 per metre of cable plus about the same per each RCA connector is normally vast improvement over the original one, no need to break the bank here. 

post #1709 of 2630
Or maybe you're simply placing your turntable too close to the speakers or they're sharing a table. The vibrations from the speakers could interfere with the stylus.
post #1710 of 2630
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post
 

 

For the SL-7 ( or any other TTs using T4P P-Mount cartridge ) you can go to 

http://www.p-mount.net/

and download and listen to most carts presently available. If you have the original Technics EPC P202C cartridge, I would suggest getting Jico SAS stylus. IN US SL-7 also came fitted with Ortofon TM series ( P mount version of OM ) - getting the Digitrac 300 cartridge or stylus ( it is an Ortofon OM30 in disguise) would also produce nice result.

Grado P Mounts are VERY happy in Technics SL linear tracking series arm. No dreaded Grado dance etc. The better the stylus, the better the sound. 

Hum is present, but should not be objectionable.

 

You can search for the Sleeping Beauty posts on closest relative of SL-7, the SL-DL 1 I posted about half a year ago either on "photograph" or "setup" threads. Good info on isolation etc.

 

thank you,

 

i have decided to go for the Grado black, or green cartridge.

 

for the other parts i still have to make a decision :)

 

the weight and feet of the SL-7 keep it quite stable, i can slam the door of the cupboard it's standing on shut, and you don't hear it.

 

the SL-DL 1 looks great as well.

 

i'm still looking for the SH-b10 feet, do you have any idea where i could find these (i live in the Netherlands)

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