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post #1306 of 2876

I never understood why VPI went with a different arm design after the first JMW.

 

Round counterweight and the azimuth weight is separate.  On the fly adjustable VTA, too.

 

 

AppleMark

post #1307 of 2876
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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post

I never understood why VPI went with a different arm design after the first JMW.

 

Round counterweight and the azimuth weight is separate.  On the fly adjustable VTA, too.

 

 

AppleMark

hahaha yeah the instruction manual was telling me how to set up the old ones, where the counter weight like twisted on so you could turn it to change the stylus weight, and the azimuth was separate. That would be soooooooooo much easier. Cause even moving the weight as tiny an amount as i could was often too much, and my ability to move it out instead of in was much diminished so it would move too far and i would have to start over lol and then adjusting for azimuth...man...what a pain and i still dont think it was perfect i just had to get to bed so i could come to work today cause i was already up waaay too late.

 

at least it sounds good though

 

i do still have on the fly VTA adjustment though

post #1308 of 2876

I will be getting back into vinyl when I move house and I have a question.

On my hit list is the Pro-ject Debut carbon III with Ortofon 2M red cartridge and something along the lines of a Rotel ra-04 amp (or -10).

 

My last experience of vinyl was through an all in one system. My question is if the amp has a phono stage input is it better to still use a pre-amp or will the phono stage just "work"?

 

Sorry for a pretty newb question in a highly technical thread.

post #1309 of 2876

If you are coming off an all-in-one than prepare to get blown away beyersmile.png

post #1310 of 2876

Well it was a Bang - Olufsen my parents handed me down (space age looking thing). It may have had an old school Ortofon cartridge (very narrow) but can`t say for sure and knocked out a pretty OK sound. 

U2 - The Joshua Tree was the first album I played on it. It was a delight the intro and a shame side 2, to me, was awful (musically).

 

I am hoping to hear something at least the same or better soo fairly excited. :-)

post #1311 of 2876
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Originally Posted by Sinth View Post

Well it was a Bang - Olufsen my parents handed me down (space age looking thing). It may have had an old school Ortofon cartridge (very narrow) but can`t say for sure and knocked out a pretty OK sound. 

U2 - The Joshua Tree was the first album I played on it. It was a delight the intro and a shame side 2, to me, was awful (musically).

 

I am hoping to hear something at least the same or better soo fairly excited. :-)

 

Thats awesome, my boss actually has a Beocenter 7700 that he uses to power some old cerwin vega bookshelves in his living room. I think ive got him coming around to snagging a newer table though, like a rega p3 in the future.

post #1312 of 2876

LOL yes a beocentre! Off to search google images and edit :-)

 

Edit: Looked exactly like this, whether the same model I have no idea. For the 1980`s this was deluxe :-)

 

 

Edit 2: A Beocentre 2200 it appears :-)


Edited by Sinth - 4/7/13 at 11:24am
post #1313 of 2876
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

So my new Dynavector 17D3 arrived this afternoon while i was at work, and when i got home i went straight to work setting it up. It was my first time ever setting up a turntable though, so it was an experience of trial and error. Probably didnt help that the cart is so freaking tiny, and its a unipivot tone arm. I had a heck of a time just putting the cart on and getting the overhang back far enough, cause the rubber bits on the cords plugged into the cart were running into where the cords came out of the arm, i made it work though. I think i spent the longest time messing with the counter weight. I played with the weight for like an hour, because you have to slid it back and forth for the stylus weight, but then you have to rotate the counter weight around the arm to adjust the azimuth, and inevitably adjusting one of them would mess with the other, so it was pretty time intensive to get it pretty close. But alas after like 2 hours i got to listen to some music!

Unipivot arms are notorious PITA to adjust properly - but once up and running, they sound great. The only exception to "lovely" VTF/azimuth adjustment on most unipivot arms is Kuzma Stogi S - once you get your VTF right, is azimuth easily - and what is even more remarkable - CONTINUOSLY and REPEATABLY adjustable. It also stays adjusted and does not "drift" in time with azimuth as most unipivots unfortunately do.

 

In case anyone is using Hadcock unipivot arms - here something that should bring smile on your face, both during setup and listening :

 

http://www.ebay.de/itm/XTC-UPGRADE-COUNTERWEIGHT-HADCOCK-GH228-tonearm-FINE-ADJUSTMENT-/400454505562?pt=Turntable_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3cf2d45a

 

The same seller has variation on the theme for many arms, one that should also apreciably benefit from the use of such counterweight is Well Tempered Arm ( @ MorbidToaster ). This CW arrangement will bring a very high pecentage of what Morch DP 8 arm is offering - literally at fraction of the price.

 

I would start learning how to adjust unipivot on something more robust and less pricier than D17III - it is a great cart, but does not tolerate "oops" well or sometimes not at all. A note to all DV Karat users - take REAL GOOD care of cleanliness of your records; Karat design tends to "suck" dust particles in the hole where cantilever is protruding from the yoke etc - eventually suffocating the suspension and in extreme cases can lead to broken coil(s). The cart will appear "clean" to casual and not so casual eyes, and decline in performance will be unoticeable at first as it is very gradual. Without opening the cart ( removing its protective "cover" ) it is next to impossible to keep DV Karat clean where it really matters. Not recommend doing this if you are not familiar with the correct use and taking care of "naked" carts ( birds of all sorts from VdH, Sumiko etc ).

post #1314 of 2876
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Originally Posted by Sinth View Post

LOL yes a beocentre! Off to search google images and edit :-)

 

Edit: Looked exactly like this, whether the same model I have no idea. For the 1980`s this was deluxe :-)

 

 

Edit 2: A Beocentre 2200 it appears :-)

No - it did not have an Ortofon cartridge. B & O arms take only B & O cartridges - and cartridges were perhaps the best thing B & O ever produced.

The platter on this ( and many other ) B & O is a laughable affair - but carts were top notch then and are highly desirable today. B & O did the unthinkable and destroyed all tooling etc for their carts - but the MMC design lives on, being produced nowadays by Soundsmith. 

post #1315 of 2876
Actually I think I'm going to be trading back in my Amadeus and getting the Kuzma entry level table and arm. For multiple reasons but one of them is the azimuth drift on the Amadeus. It's an easy fix (as it can be done in the fly), but it's just kind of annoying to have to adjust it constantly.
Edited by MorbidToaster - 4/7/13 at 3:10pm
post #1316 of 2876
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Actually I think I'm going to be trading back in my Amadeus and getting the Kuzma entry level table and arm. For multiple reasons but one if them is the azimuth drift on the Amadeus. It's an easy fix (as it can be done in the fly), but it's just kind of annoying to have to adjust it constantly.

Azimuth drift on Well Tempered Arm ( ANY model ) is an issue - it creeps and crawls a bit all the time, as threads for both sides can not be made equally long and therefore one is stretching/sagging just a bit more, bringing the azimuth out of adjustment. It is not a "fire & forget" arm and if and when I have any premium stylus tip profile on it, a weekly check up with test record and oscilloscope is in order. Good azimuth  adjustment is within of  less than 1/3

of a degree and WTA can on avrerage hold that only for a week. 

 

Kuzma Stabi S / Stogi S is upgradable, but even basic no frills version is no slouch and it is , once initially adjusted, "fire & forget". It likes some good support system . Prior to anything else . 

post #1317 of 2876
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

Azimuth drift on Well Tempered Arm ( ANY model ) is an issue - it creeps and crawls a bit all the time, as threads for both sides can not be made equally long and therefore one is stretching/sagging just a bit more, bringing the azimuth out of adjustment. It is not a "fire & forget" arm and if and when I have any premium stylus tip profile on it, a weekly check up with test record and oscilloscope is in order. Good azimuth  adjustment is within of  less than 1/3
of a degree and WTA can on avrerage hold that only for a week. 

Kuzma Stabi S / Stogi S is upgradable, but even basic no frills version is no slouch and it is , once initially adjusted, "fire & forget". It likes some good support system . Prior to anything else . 

I'm working on a custom rack that I'm thinking of doing 3" shelves and a 4" platform for the TT on.

The Stogi arm seemed the ring less than my old JWM-9 and the RP808. The WTL arm still does it less, but the quirks (and size) are making some things troublesome.
post #1318 of 2876
3in is pretty thick. I have 2in thick shelves and I could do jumping jacks on them if I wanted to. You should make a sandbox for your turntable. Make it 4in deep with 1 in thick sides and the float can be whatever thickness you want.
post #1319 of 2876
Quote:
Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Actually I think I'm going to be trading back in my Amadeus and getting the Kuzma entry level table and arm. For multiple reasons but one of them is the azimuth drift on the Amadeus. It's an easy fix (as it can be done in the fly), but it's just kind of annoying to have to adjust it constantly.

 

Mount a Rega RB1000 on the Amadeus -> Never adjust azimuth again biggrin.gif

post #1320 of 2876

If I had decided to go with a Michell deck I woulda picked up and RB1000 to go with it. :)

 

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Originally Posted by calipilot227 View Post

 

Mount a Rega RB1000 on the Amadeus -> Never adjust azimuth again biggrin.gif

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