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post #1291 of 2619

Yeah, I just dropped $900 on a battery!  Of course it's supposed to have superpowers and 'intelligently' supply my phono stage with clean juice that eliminates hum... WELL worth the price, I'm sure!

 

Then another $300 on a set of Sylvania drivers for my WA5.  No problem.  It's analog.

post #1292 of 2619
Um.... I think you could have gotten a power conditioner for less. Were you hearing an audible hum or are you exploring theoretical hum? Honest questions not trying to flame
post #1293 of 2619

A battery will do more than eliminate hum in a phono stage, and a 'audiophile' conditioner would run about the same with more than 2 or so outlets.

 

And that was no doubt an 'audiophile' battery. :D

 

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Um.... I think you could have gotten a power conditioner for less. Were you hearing an audible hum or are you exploring theoretical hum? Honest questions not trying to flame
post #1294 of 2619

There are pros and cons of using batteries vs "anything plugged into a wall". But if it is something at the very beginning, like phono preamp or MC linear stage ( head amp in my vocabulary, preceding the current usage of word by several decades ) - if it is not power hungry to the point your batteries can discharge too much with long-ish listening session, it is my opinion that batteries are the way to go. Less problems with earthing/grounding, RFI, etc, etc. And for small current drain devices you can use relatively gross overkill batteries, which should still compare well with output impedance of "wall" power supply devices. 

 

Above goes for relatively low voltages - usually powering solid state devices. A couple hundred volts using batteries suitable for tubes somehow does not look like the most appealing proposition - size and cost of the batteries would tend to dwarf any device connected to such a power supply. But use of batteries for tube heating is menageable enough.

 

Getting rid of the hum with batteries is MUCH easier than with anything plugged into a wall - in theory and even more so in practice. IF you can assure the correct DC voltages for your device in the first place.

post #1295 of 2619
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Originally Posted by BLACKENEDPLAGUE View Post

Um.... I think you could have gotten a power conditioner for less. Were you hearing an audible hum or are you exploring theoretical hum? Honest questions not trying to flame

 

Yes there's certainly hum all over the place-- and I've removed all of the ground loop culprits.  I just have dirty power up here in the hills of L.A.  I've already got a Furman-- not the best-- but it's something...

 

I'm using the Clearaudio Basic + phono stage-- There's a specific battery that lives between the power supply and amplification stage made by Clearaudio for the Basic +, and it's a separate purchase.  I appreciate anything that can be upgraded a little at a time-- it eases the impact on my wallet!

 

I've seen the other battery supply units-- I don't know how well they work-- but I got a pretty high recommendation on the Clearaudio setup as a great solution, and I'm a sucker.

post #1296 of 2619
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Originally Posted by analogsurviver View Post

There are pros and cons of using batteries vs "anything plugged into a wall". But if it is something at the very beginning, like phono preamp or MC linear stage ( head amp in my vocabulary, preceding the current usage of word by several decades ) - if it is not power hungry to the point your batteries can discharge too much with long-ish listening session, it is my opinion that batteries are the way to go. Less problems with earthing/grounding, RFI, etc, etc. And for small current drain devices you can use relatively gross overkill batteries, which should still compare well with output impedance of "wall" power supply devices. 

 

Above goes for relatively low voltages - usually powering solid state devices. A couple hundred volts using batteries suitable for tubes somehow does not look like the most appealing proposition - size and cost of the batteries would tend to dwarf any device connected to such a power supply. But use of batteries for tube heating is menageable enough.

 

Getting rid of the hum with batteries is MUCH easier than with anything plugged into a wall - in theory and even more so in practice. IF you can assure the correct DC voltages for your device in the first place.

I'll second that.

I've worked as an EE in the power conditioning, power conversion and emergency power field for over 25 years.

Battery powered phone pre-amps are a damn good idea.

This is real, not audiophile mumbo-jumbo/hocus-pocus.

post #1297 of 2619

I have a question,
How do you guys or rather where do you guys buy records from? Buying them new online (amazon) or at a store are usually a bit expensive but getting them used from online (ebay) or record store seems sketchy or proclaimed vs actual quality of record/cover or just overall wear vs price. 

Seems like alot of you guys buy them new or in excellent condition at some price $20-infinity. I can deal with $20 but anymore and im kinda ehh. I know records and playing records isnt a cheap hobby but I like to get deals when I can. Basically im asking do you guys care more about the having the record and playing it with some wear or is it condition above all else. 
I guess ill also have to actually try trail and error to see where I am but id like to know how you guys feel.

(trying to get records and record playing equipment before the kickstarter shows up around may)

post #1298 of 2619
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Originally Posted by johnman1116 View Post

I have a question,

How do you guys or rather where do you guys buy records from? Buying them new online (amazon) or at a store are usually a bit expensive but getting them used from online (ebay) or record store seems sketchy or proclaimed vs actual quality of record/cover or just overall wear vs price. 


Seems like alot of you guys buy them new or in excellent condition at some price $20-infinity. I can deal with $20 but anymore and im kinda ehh. I know records and playing records isnt a cheap hobby but I like to get deals when I can. Basically im asking do you guys care more about the having the record and playing it with some wear or is it condition above all else. 

I guess ill also have to actually try trail and error to see where I am but id like to know how you guys feel.


(trying to get records and record playing equipment before the kickstarter shows up around may)

If you're into new music and want to spin records you'd better get over your $20 limit quick. Only a handful of the hundreds of records I own were less than $20 new.

The other thing with modern music is most pressings are limited to the point where I'm not sure I'll EVER see used copies of some of the stuff I've bought.

I pay on average $30 for a new LP, but most of the time I feel it's worth it. Especially from a label like Southern Lord, MoFi or Analogue Productions.

I buy from my local shop the most and they're fairly competitive. They also have 10% off vinyl every Tuesday night. Right now they're running a 20% off the whole store for their anniversary...but I'm in saving mode right now.

When I go online I buy from Discogs used and Elusive Disc or Amazon new. Another few gems to check are Best Buy (I've found stuff for well under half market value brand new on their site). Best Buy is accurate on their back order times as well. I've gotten a few excellent deals there. The other place to hit up is Oldies.com. Lots if NEW stuff there for excellent prices.
post #1299 of 2619
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Originally Posted by johnman1116 View Post

I have a question,
How do you guys or rather where do you guys buy records from? Buying them new online (amazon) or at a store are usually a bit expensive but getting them used from online (ebay) or record store seems sketchy or proclaimed vs actual quality of record/cover or just overall wear vs price. 

Seems like alot of you guys buy them new or in excellent condition at some price $20-infinity. I can deal with $20 but anymore and im kinda ehh. I know records and playing records isnt a cheap hobby but I like to get deals when I can. Basically im asking do you guys care more about the having the record and playing it with some wear or is it condition above all else. 
I guess ill also have to actually try trail and error to see where I am but id like to know how you guys feel.

(trying to get records and record playing equipment before the kickstarter shows up around may)

http://www.prex.com/visit/scorpio-music.html

Wish they were "a bit" more local ( I am from Europe ) as you can imagine shipping can be $$$.

 

Well, it is music above condition of the vinyl - but if you got a rurkey, there will be that itch to replace it with at least better if not mint or sealed copy ASAP. The less than optimal condition records are playable with top stylus tip profiles - Micro Line/RidgeReach/SAS especially recommended in such cases.

 

NOTHING that compares to the feeling of the first play of a new virgin vinyl - even if the music is known in advance. Please read my posts regarding record wear etc - if you think I am over reacting, think again. I played recently my "29th February test disc(s)" and they are FAR better than everyday workhorse copies of the same LP.

 

Assume that your average LP will cost no more than say $ 10 - you do  not want to bulldozer your records with inferiour playback equipment, as with time they will become your most precious investment in audio. Some pretty pricey LPs have alrady been mentioned on this thread, those that are so good/rare to be next to nonobtainium fetch really silly money. If you think the kickstarter  TT will be such hulabaloo, the first record to get is HFN test record - you will need it to adjust your TT in any case and it might happen it will sell out in the US due to kickstarter.

post #1300 of 2619
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnman1116 View Post

I have a question,
How do you guys or rather where do you guys buy records from? Buying them new online (amazon) or at a store are usually a bit expensive but getting them used from online (ebay) or record store seems sketchy or proclaimed vs actual quality of record/cover or just overall wear vs price. 

Seems like alot of you guys buy them new or in excellent condition at some price $20-infinity. I can deal with $20 but anymore and im kinda ehh. I know records and playing records isnt a cheap hobby but I like to get deals when I can. Basically im asking do you guys care more about the having the record and playing it with some wear or is it condition above all else. 
I guess ill also have to actually try trail and error to see where I am but id like to know how you guys feel.

(trying to get records and record playing equipment before the kickstarter shows up around may)

 

 

Since you're in California, consider yourself lucky and go to one of these places: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoeba_Music

 

Tons of used/new selection under one roof, and most of it's priced to move. Independents are in all the major cities and can be interesting but are more of a crapshoot. Think of Amoeba as the "undisputed king of the independents".


Edited by grokit - 4/6/13 at 3:00pm
post #1301 of 2619
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnman1116 View Post

I have a question,
How do you guys or rather where do you guys buy records from? Buying them new online (amazon) or at a store are usually a bit expensive but getting them used from online (ebay) or record store seems sketchy or proclaimed vs actual quality of record/cover or just overall wear vs price. 

Seems like alot of you guys buy them new or in excellent condition at some price $20-infinity. I can deal with $20 but anymore and im kinda ehh. I know records and playing records isnt a cheap hobby but I like to get deals when I can. Basically im asking do you guys care more about the having the record and playing it with some wear or is it condition above all else. 
I guess ill also have to actually try trail and error to see where I am but id like to know how you guys feel.

(trying to get records and record playing equipment before the kickstarter shows up around may)

 

Amoeba is a great option and you can get almost anything there-- but I actually only go there once in a while-- and only when I have a specific agenda.  I actually consider Amoeba to be TOO big, if that makes sense.  I prefer the smaller shops-- and there are some great one's around L.A.  

 

Just a few blocks from Amoeba is an awesome small shop off Hollywood Blvd. called "As the Record Turns".  

 

I live in Studio City-- so I have a bunch of options in my backyard-- Freakbeat Records on Ventura is a terrific shop and my main source in local retail.  They have both new and used, and you get the personal touch of-- you know-- real record enthusiasts.

 

Atomic Records is another good source on Magnolia-- I go there to browse crates for used finds.

 

Silver Lake/Echo Park is a great area for used records.  I haven't been there, but there are about 5 or 6 good record stores I'd love to check out sometime.  Origami gets good write-ups, so does Rockaway.  Vacation Vinyl is another I'd like to check out sometime.

 

Better Records in Thousand Oaks pushes Hot Stamper recordings-- but bring a credit card.  A Hot Stamper will run over $200 most of the time.  So I've avoided it.

 

Online I shop at elusivedisc.com and soundstagedirect.com for new releases.

 

eBay is hit or miss-- but I've filled out my MFSL library with good (NM) used records.

 

I have yet to buy anything-- but discogs.com is another used source online.

post #1302 of 2619

I don't spend more than $20 on music ever unless it's a boxed set of something. I am mainly limited to mail order and get my media on Amazon for the most part, mostly used CDs and vinyl but some new, and the occasional blue-ray movie, mostly used but some new.

 

The last two LPs I purchased were War's All Day Music, used and stellar for $15 shipped, and Trey Anestasio's Traveler for $19 shipped with a bonus 7" single (still available):

 

 

Both Traveler discs are in translucent orange vinyl, and the War album came with the original poster insert in mint condition. So it pays to be selective.


Edited by grokit - 4/6/13 at 4:51pm
post #1303 of 2619

So my new Dynavector 17D3 arrived this afternoon while i was at work, and when i got home i went straight to work setting it up. It was my first time ever setting up a turntable though, so it was an experience of trial and error. Probably didnt help that the cart is so freaking tiny, and its a unipivot tone arm. I had a heck of a time just putting the cart on and getting the overhang back far enough, cause the rubber bits on the cords plugged into the cart were running into where the cords came out of the arm, i made it work though. I think i spent the longest time messing with the counter weight. I played with the weight for like an hour, because you have to slid it back and forth for the stylus weight, but then you have to rotate the counter weight around the arm to adjust the azimuth, and inevitably adjusting one of them would mess with the other, so it was pretty time intensive to get it pretty close. But alas after like 2 hours i got to listen to some music!

post #1304 of 2619
Thread Starter 
Yeah the JMW arm, to really get it dialed in, is an exercise in patience. But once you do - boy howdy. They sound great. How was the listening after all that work?
post #1305 of 2619
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Yeah the JMW arm, to really get it dialed in, is an exercise in patience. But once you do - boy howdy. They sound great. How was the listening after all that work?

 

Yeah im going to start fiddling with it again once i get my next weekend. It was pretty amazing. My speakers are disappearing better than they ever did with the Anedio D2 I had. I started out listening to Ritual by the Black Dahlia Murder and then moved on to Teenage Dream by Katy Perry :P the Katy Perry record was pretty warped though, staring at the edge it just moved up and down as it spun around, much worse than any of the rest of the ones i listened to. Im liking it so far thats for sure!

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