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post #1201 of 2460
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Originally Posted by Mdraluck23 View Post

Is there a place besides LP gear where I can get a cheaper Stylus for that V15 LT? I'm having a hard time finding one... I'm very excited there seem to be so many things to do in the turntable world to mix things up, for someone who likes tweaking stuff this is going to be expensive I can tell. 

Most probable answer would be a loud NYET. Places like LP Gear are legit, are experienced and know the value of goods in the marketplace.

V15LT is basically V15IV without brush and in P mount - you can use VN45HE or VN45MR stylus in V15LT cart - but cheaper will it most likely not be. There is a Jico SAS aftermarket stylus with Micro Line stylus and boron cantilever - but it is $ 150 or so.

 

Try to look around - and if  say within a week or two nothing comes up, shoot me a PM - I might know somebody that can probably still help you with the said stylus. It was kind of rare even in its prime.

post #1202 of 2460

Okay so its the same as the V15IV. I was having a hard time digging up info, theres much more on the IV. Thanks for all the help, I'll report back soon! Stuff should be arriving on Wednesday then I'll have a listen!

post #1203 of 2460

Anyone willing to help me with a cartridge and phono preamp for less than $300 total? I just bought a used Rega Planar 3 and hoping to finish up my first vinyl set-up with a cartridge and phono preamp. The two cartridges that I was looking at were the Ortofon 2M Red and the Denon DL-110, both of which seem to be well-regarded. I was also considering three different pre-amps including the Cambridge Audio 551P/651P, the TC-760LC, and the Musical Fidelity V-LPS II (at the higher-end of my pricing). I know that the Denon cart is a MC one, so I'd need to get a pre-amp that works with MM/MC carts with that one (so the 551P wouldn't work I believe). Any suggestions would really help!

 

Thanks!

post #1204 of 2460

551P and a 2M Red then save for upgrades later.

 

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Originally Posted by HeroicPenguin View Post

Anyone willing to help me with a cartridge and phono preamp for less than $300 total? I just bought a used Rega Planar 3 and hoping to finish up my first vinyl set-up with a cartridge and phono preamp. The two cartridges that I was looking at were the Ortofon 2M Red and the Denon DL-110, both of which seem to be well-regarded. I was also considering three different pre-amps including the Cambridge Audio 551P/651P, the TC-760LC, and the Musical Fidelity V-LPS II (at the higher-end of my pricing). I know that the Denon cart is a MC one, so I'd need to get a pre-amp that works with MM/MC carts with that one (so the 551P wouldn't work I believe). Any suggestions would really help!

 

Thanks!

post #1205 of 2460
Thread Starter 

The DL110 is a significantly better cartridge than the 2M Red.  The DL-110 is a high output moving coil, so any MM phono stage will work. 

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Compliance of the DL-110 might be a little low for the RB300, no?

post #1207 of 2460
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

The DL110 is a significantly better cartridge than the 2M Red.  The DL-110 is a high output moving coil, so any MM phono stage will work. 

The DL110 is surprisingly good for the money and will not loose too much ground to anything. It may not have the finesse of the top carts that cost many times over, what it does offer is a very realistic reproduction of space ( if it was recorded in the first place ) that is a typical hallmark of MC. Most MM carts, but not all,  will struggle in this regard, and although I did never audition 2M Red properly, what I have heard did not "wow" me in any special way.

 

There is a reason Denon DL 103 ( sadly no longer D version ) and DL 110 are still with us after all these decades. Both are great designs. Of course there are better cartridges - but they usually sport one zero more at the right side of the price tag.

 

We did not cover the electrical loading of the cartridges. MMs ( and moving irons and induced magnet - ANYTHING with a fixed coil ) are in most cases VERY vulnerable to input impedance.

That is not resistance only ( usually 47 Kohm ), but capacitance as well. This comes partly from the phono preamp stage, partly from tonearm wiring and output cable. Usually, when both are combined as in real world, capacitance grows too high for some models, the ones most widespread that are affected by this are Audio Technica models that like low(ish) capacitance of say 150 pF - which is difficult to achieve in tonearm wiring//cable, requiring preamp input to have absolute minimum input capacitance. This normally requires opening the preamp and unsoldering any additional capacitors from the input. Given the fact most audiophiles are not willing or able to do so, MCs which are all but unaffected by this have gained so much popularity.

MMs ( fixed coils ) are affected to the point I absolutely do not trust any subjective review of MM cartridge not stating the loading - either in electrical terms of input resistance and capacitance COMBINED for the arm and preamp or by using arm and preamp for both of which these parameters are known. Otherwise, frequency response deviation(s) ( and reviewer's reaction(s) to it ) can be too great and can overshasdow the true capabilities of the cartridge.

 

I will return to the topic of cartridge loading time permitting.


Edited by analogsurviver - 3/24/13 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by calipilot227 View Post

Compliance of the DL-110 might be a little low for the RB300, no?

 

I know the RB300 is quite ubiquitous but I have no experience with it. Is it a low mass tonearm?

 

analogsurviver, I agree, although it is amazing how few phono pres allow capacitive loading for MM carts. It's one reason that I love my the phono stage of om Pioneer SX-1980 - has adjustable capacitance and resistance!


Edited by Skylab - 3/25/13 at 5:27am
post #1209 of 2460
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

 

I know the RB300 is quite ubiquitous but I have no experience with it. Is it a low mass tonearm?

 

analogsurviver, I agree, although it is amazing how few phono pres allow capacitive loading for MM carts. It's one reason that I love my the phono stage of om Pioneer SX-1980 - has adjustable capacitance and resistance!

RB300 is mid effective mass arm - abot 11 gram IIRC. Should not be too light for compliance of the DL 110. RB1000, on the other hand, IS a low mass arm - despite they look almost the same save for colour. LOTS of differences between the two.

 

The lowest PUBLISHED input capacitance I am aware of is Threshold SL 10 preamp - 10 ( in words: ten ) picofarads (pF).  Some other come close if you

unsolder "everything", including capacitance switching ( which itself introduces capacitance as well ) at their input . U use then Y RCA plug at the phono input, one for arm cable, another for phono C, R or combined RC load.

post #1210 of 2460

How difficult do you think it would be to disassemble an SL-1500? I might possibly stuff the plinth with dynamat (alternative)

post #1211 of 2460
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

 

I know the RB300 is quite ubiquitous but I have no experience with it. Is it a low mass tonearm?

 

analogsurviver, I agree, although it is amazing how few phono pres allow capacitive loading for MM carts. It's one reason that I love my the phono stage of om Pioneer SX-1980 - has adjustable capacitance and resistance!

 

Yep,

The variable (i.e. switchable) capacitive and resistive loading seems to come with the more $$$ upscale phono-pre-amps!

post #1212 of 2460

I've managed to accuire a Pioneer PL570. I'm looking to put a new cart on it. My shortlist is...

 

Denon DL 103R

Denon DL 301II

Grado Silver

AT 440 MLa

 

Any recommendations would be very appreciated.

post #1213 of 2460

Got my Milty today.  Not the size I remember, but here it is for those wondering what size it is.

 

AppleMark

 

Time to do some zappin'!

post #1214 of 2460
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Originally Posted by BLACKENEDPLAGUE View Post

How difficult do you think it would be to disassemble an SL-1500? I might possibly stuff the plinth with dynamat (alternative)

Technics decks are a can of worms or Pandora's box - whichever suits your description of a job thought out well but compromised in execution due to cost constraints ( and not only that ) better. 

 

It is not difficult to disassemble it - but putting it all back so that it works as intended with your mods to work as intended is not so easy. I am not familiar

with dynamat ( US "cosa nostra") - if I understand it correctly, it is some bitumenous damping sheet or similar. Something along those lines may actually work well. In any case - get a copy of service manual or at least take photos of each and every section/detail - it will be sooooooooo much more easy once you get to assemmbling it back again.

post #1215 of 2460

Question of the month, well mine anyways, Zesto Andros Phono pre or audio research ph8.  any thoughts?

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