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post #1171 of 2842
Don't let the price fool you. I had its predecessor on my old Technics SL-QD33, and it's not a bad cartridge. I'd stay away from a conical stylus though if you're exploring other options.
post #1172 of 2842

Are you sure it will fit? I have the worst luck...

post #1173 of 2842

P-mount is universal. Any P-mount cart will work with any P-mount tonearm.

 

Edit: Although if you're willing to spend a little more, this is definitely better. I'm kind of an Ortofon fanboy, in case you didn't know already.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-OMP10-P-Mount-Phono-Cartridge?sc=2&category=16684


Edited by calipilot227 - 3/24/13 at 12:21am
post #1174 of 2842
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Originally Posted by Mdraluck23 View Post

So apparently the SL220 which I nabbed for $60 was dead in one channel, no luck getting my money back from the anus on Craigslist, shop took it for 40$. Only lost 20.

BUT! The SL-6 apparently has a very nice cartridge and stylus, and it was only $20. Shure V15 LT, which is apparently very good and worth more than 20 alone. It's in excellent shape too! Got a Rolls Phono preamp for $55 at the shop, figured I'd support them a little bit, they were very helpful and all.

I saw this post yesterday after returning from the almost entire day spent on location during rehearsal for a recording that will took place on thurrsday -

and thought you one lucky SOB for getting a V15LT at that crazy price.

 

After reading you broke it etc - well, I guess a write up how to clean vintage gear properly and safely is in order. Will do that time permitting - but remember - ALCOHOL is not to be used at all except as the last ditch resort.  Generally, what you use to hand wash your dishes almost always does the trick - but you have to make it at least a couple hours per component weekend project, all the dirt that got accumulated in a quarter of a century or more can not be removed with a single stroke using no matter what cleaner you use - if you do not want to remove lettering ( styli ) etc as well.

 

If a phono cartridge does have detacheable stylus - ALWAYS remove it for safeeeping while doing ANY work outside normal operation. Even seasoned and experienced analog users like myself do their share of "oopses" - in total, I menaged to wreck 4 out of >> 1000 cartridges that went trough my hands.

 

I do not want to add salt to a fresh wound - but please go and see what prices NOS Shure P-mounts command on ebay. How far does it go is illustrated by this example: After winning a bidding war for Shure V15 HR- P ( in three figure $, one of the best if not the best Shure cartridge, P-mount or otherwise ),

BEFORE I got the reply from the seller, within a minute, there came an additional offer  - to my personal email and not through ebay system (!) - from the seller that offers his NOS stuff usually at BIN. I would have reported such behaviour to ebay immediately if it was for any item still in regular supply,  but did not want the seller that made this offer to take offence; who knows, one day he just might have that last stylus that is not available anyplace else at any price...

post #1175 of 2842
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Originally Posted by calipilot227 View Post

P-mount is universal. Any P-mount cart will work with any P-mount tonearm.

 

Edit: Although if you're willing to spend a little more, this is definitely better. I'm kind of an Ortofon fanboy, in case you didn't know already.

http://www.needledoctor.com/Ortofon-OMP10-P-Mount-Phono-Cartridge?sc=2&category=16684

NOT true. P mounts SHOULD be standardized - for everything, including the compliance. The Technics SL linear arm(s) as in the SL-6 are extremely low effective mass - less than 4 gram - and require a high compliance cartridge for proper response in bass. 

 

OMP-10 would work - as any P-mount cart will - but is a bit too low compliance to really be suitable. Too low a compliance for the mass of the arm ( resonant frequency too high ) usually results in owerblown fat bass with too little definition. Can pass with smaller speakers that do not extend down that well, but in a really extended system this is not desirable.

 

I would suggest Digitrac 300SE, which is also produced by Ortofon and is the nearest equivalent to OMP-30, but has a bit higher compliance which is a good thing in Technics SL-6 case. The last source I know of is William Thakker either in his online shop or German ebay, but he has recently increased the price from EUR 99 to EUR 119. That is stll much less than OMP-30.

post #1176 of 2842

So I'm actually finally gonna get into vinyl. I was doing alot of research through the last week or so, and i think it was mainly caused by my speaker rig. But i came to the conclusion that i wanted a VPI table. Which meant i had to stretch my budget quite a bit. I went in wanting to get a table/cart/phono stage for around 1000 bucks. That got bumped up to at least 1300 just for the table, since the traveler costs that much(i love that the VPI tables are made in America :D ) But then i was looking around, and found a used VPI Aries 1 with a nearly brand new Custom 3 tone arm for 2400, i offered 2200 hundred and he accepted! I guess that is quite the jump into an analog rig, but id rather buy something awesome that i can upgrade around then get a table i would have to replace later.

 

THe problem though is that now the rest of the parts, the phono stage and the cart will suffer. I was looking at getting a Music Fidelity V-LPS II for a cheap decent phono stage and then maybe a Dynavector 10x5 for my cart. I wanted to put more into the cart than the phono stage since I have been told that will have a bigger impact on my sound, and that is supposed to be one of the best carts under 500 bucks. THe other i was pondering is the AT OC9 Mkii which is also under 500 bucks.

 

So i guess i was just looking for some advice on the above options. And also, the guy says that he has a custom protractor for that tonearm and table, is that something i should buy from him as well?

 

thanks!

post #1177 of 2842
Thread Starter 

Hey Soup,

 

what arm is on the Aries? JMW 10? Or is it the 12? 

 

In any case, I do recommend the VPI protractor.  I use a couple different protractors on my VPI (ScoutMaster) and the VPI one is quite accurate. 

 

A DynaVector 10x5 is a good choice, but so is the OC9III.  I heard the OC9 III on a VPI Classic recently and it was just amazing how good a $400 cartridge can sound on a $4,000 TT.

 

BTW the Aries is a SWEEET deck...congrats!

post #1178 of 2842
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

Hey Soup,

 

what arm is on the Aries? JMW 10? Or is it the 12? 

 

In any case, I do recommend the VPI protractor.  I use a couple different protractors on my VPI (ScoutMaster) and the VPI one is quite accurate. 

 

A DynaVector 10x5 is a good choice, but so is the OC9III.  I heard the OC9 III on a VPI Classic recently and it was just amazing how good a $400 cartridge can sound on a $4,000 TT.

 

BTW the Aries is a SWEEET deck...congrats!

 

It has a brand new Classic 3 arm, which i think is the new name for the JWM 10.5?

 

Hmm, ill have to see how much he wants for it then.

 

Haha that doesnt make my choice any easier Skylab :P telling me they are both good choices just makes it even harder.

 

Yep! I did a ton of research on VPI tables and a few people were saying that the original Aries is one of the best tables VPI ever made. So i know that it might be a bit of a leap for a vinyl newbie like myself, but im looking forward to probably never replacing the table.

 

Did you have any advice as far as the phono stage goes? I know in the future i really wanted to get the Decware ZP3, but thats just not in the cards after splurging so much on the table intself. Not to mention having to buy a PreAmp as well, since i wont just be using the Anedio D2 anymore i need volume control...

post #1179 of 2842
Thread Starter 

Well if you go with the 10x5 you only need a MM capable phono stage, and you can save some money there.  So I would probably go that way. I've heard both carts but never compared them. I owned a 10x5 maybe ten years ago or so, and I did like it.  I use a DynaVector 20x on my Denon DP-59L - very nice cartridge that.  Had it on the Scoutmaster for a while and it sounded very good there too.

 

whats the phono stage budget, then?

post #1180 of 2842
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

Well if you go with the 10x5 you only need a MM capable phono stage, and you can save some money there.  So I would probably go that way. I've heard both carts but never compared them. I owned a 10x5 maybe ten years ago or so, and I did like it.  I use a DynaVector 20x on my Denon DP-59L - very nice cartridge that.  Had it on the Scoutmaster for a while and it sounded very good there too.

 

whats the phono stage budget, then?

 

I'm hoping to spend under 400 bucks, Ive been looking at used V-LPS ii's and a few used Monolithic PS-1's as well. buying the table, preamp, cart and a phono stage all at once is pretty damaging to the ol wallet right now haha so im cutting back on the phono stage, since ive got an end goal in mind for that, and im not really sure i would ever want to upgrade from the 10x5, cause to do better ive read costs alot.

post #1181 of 2842
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Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

 

I'm hoping to spend under 400 bucks...

Boo.  biggrin.gif

 

 

Here's an old, quick read to shed some light on the under $500 range.  

 

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1104/phonostage.htm

 

And Cambridge 651P is another option, used PS Audio GCPH?  Soundsmith MMP3 is what I'm using.

post #1182 of 2842

Vincent PHO-8 at $400 and the 10x5. I have that combo right now and it's great (kinda did the same thing you did. Big fancy table, much cheaper cart and stage to upgrade later).

post #1183 of 2842
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Vincent PHO-8 at $400 and the 10x5. I have that combo right now and it's great (kinda did the same thing you did. Big fancy table, much cheaper cart and stage to upgrade later).

 

Just uh, open your ad back up and let me buy yours off you  beerchug.gif

post #1184 of 2842

Only selling it once I get the 1800 for my 310LP. :D

 

And I don't think you want to give me that much for it.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoupRKnowva View Post

 

Just uh, open your ad back up and let me buy yours off you  beerchug.gif

post #1185 of 2842
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

Only selling it once I get the 1800 for my 310LP. :D

 

And I don't think you want to give me that much for it.

 

 

haha nope, Id just get the Decware ZP3 if i had that kind of money for my phono stage :P

 

Edit: not to mention, if you stopped buying so much darn music MT you could have bought it already tongue.gif

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