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post #841 of 7109
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Schitt Magni - Modi combo seems pretty sweet for the price!

Thanks for the input! Anything that's more travel friendly? Not portable per say, something that is 2 in 1?

post #842 of 7109
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Any thoughts on the Audiogene D1 DAC/Amp combo with the HD700? It's on sale now for a decent price.

Hey Dvas, I have the Audio Engine A2s but never heard their amp. Generally decent stuff. Heard lots about the ALO Audio pairing with the 700s - especially with the Pan Am. The new island looks interesting but I'm afraid I've not heard any of these products so I can't give a proper recommendation.
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I have the Audioengine D3 and it's the same DAC chip as the D1 in a flash drive size. The DAC part is the best I've used, over ODAC, Modi, and even WA7 DAC. The amp part isn't good for anything past portable headphones. I take it with me to work every morning and use it with my KEF M500, and it's fine. I take it back home at the end of the day for my HE-500, but use it only as DAC hooked up to another amp. I've tried just the D3 with the HE-500 or T90, and it sounds underpowered and thin. I'd imagine the same thing with the HD700. You will need another amp. Great DAC though. I've heard similar things about the D1. The amp section isn't that great or powerful.
post #844 of 7109
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I have the Audioengine D3 and it's the same DAC chip as the D1 in a flash drive size. The DAC part is the best I've used, over ODAC, Modi, and even WA7 DAC. The amp part isn't good for anything past portable headphones. I take it with me to work every morning and use it with my KEF M500, and it's fine. I take it back home at the end of the day for my HE-500, but use it only as DAC hooked up to another amp. I've tried just the D3 with the HE-500 or T90, and it sounds underpowered and thin. I'd imagine the same thing with the HD700. You will need another amp. Great DAC though. I've heard similar things about the D1. The amp section isn't that great or powerful.


Anything you can recommend me? I am looking for $200-$400 USB DAC/AMP that I am going to plug into my laptop. I have read that tube amps will be good for HD700 as the warming sound of tube amps will help amend the harsh treble of and thin sounding HD700

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Anything you can recommend me? I am looking for $200-$400 USB DAC/AMP that I am going to plug into my laptop. I have read that tube amps will be good for HD700 as the warming sound of tube amps will help amend the harsh treble of and thin sounding HD700

When I first got the HD700, I ran it off the O2/ODAC combo for a few months before getting the WA7. It was satisfactory. I was recommended away from the Schiit Magni/Modi because the Magni is supposedly brighter than the O2 according to others, and this would make the HD700 even brighter. Never got to try Magni myself, so I can't confirm that. If you do get the O2/ODAC combo, I'd recommend Mayflower over JDS, only because they offer a version with ODAC out as well. The JDS version of the combo only lets you use O2/ODAC together or the another DAC input into O2, but not ODAC out into another amp. More flexibility is better. Or just get the it separate. In your price range, one other recommendation I have experience with, and would recommend is Bottlehead Crack + Modi. The Crack will require DIY soldering, and costs about $300 for the kit after shipping. It is a tube amp and the warmth benefits the HD700 imo. The Modi is $100, and has no problem with brightness, it's the Magni that supposedly has a bright signature. You could also try Modi/Vali for $220. The Schiit Vali is new and it's a hybrid tube amp, but I've heard great things about it. You may have to google to see if anyone has reported anything on the Vali/HD700 pairing. If you're willing to stretch your budget to $450, the Schiit Valhalla is $350 and you can go Modi/Valhalla. Valhalla is a pure OTL tube amp like the Crack, but the general consensus is that is doesn't sound as good as the Crack. Because you're cutting out labor, marketing, and form factor costs, the Crack performs on the level of $800-$1000 amps for only $300. I found it to perform just as well as the WA7 amp for higher impedance headphones. Finally, as you've probably noticed, I recommend you spend more on the amp than the DAC. Amp affects sound a lot more than the DAC, and the Modi or ODAC are quite adequate. I'd say the D3 is definitely a level above from a technical standpoint, as I can hear more details, but they usually are imperfections in recordings lol.

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When I first got the HD700, I ran it off the O2/ODAC combo for a few months before getting the WA7. It was satisfactory. I was recommended away from the Schiit Magni/Modi because the Magni is supposedly brighter than the O2 according to others, and this would make the HD700 even brighter. Never got to try Magni myself, so I can't confirm that. If you do get the O2/ODAC combo, I'd recommend Mayflower over JDS, only because they offer a version with ODAC out as well. The JDS version of the combo only lets you use O2/ODAC together or the another DAC input into O2, but not ODAC out into another amp. More flexibility is better. Or just get the it separate. In your price range, one other recommendation I have experience with, and would recommend is Bottlehead Crack + Modi. The Crack will require DIY soldering, and costs about $300 for the kit after shipping. It is a tube amp and the warmth benefits the HD700 imo. The Modi is $100, and has no problem with brightness, it's the Magni that supposedly has a bright signature. You could also try Modi/Vali for $220. The Schiit Vali is new and it's a hybrid tube amp, but I've heard great things about it. You may have to google to see if anyone has reported anything on the Vali/HD700 pairing. If you're willing to stretch your budget to $450, the Schiit Valhalla is $350 and you can go Modi/Valhalla. Valhalla is a pure OTL tube amp like the Crack, but the general consensus is that is doesn't sound as good as the Crack. Because you're cutting out labor, marketing, and form factor costs, the Crack performs on the level of $800-$1000 amps for only $300. I found it to perform just as well as the WA7 amp for higher impedance headphones. Finally, as you've probably noticed, I recommend you spend more on the amp than the DAC. Amp affects sound a lot more than the DAC, and the Modi or ODAC are quite adequate. I'd say the D3 is definitely a level above from a technical standpoint, as I can hear more details, but they usually are imperfections in recordings lol.


Wow thank you so much for that extensive information! I found some Head-Fiers selling used Bottlehead Crack, do you think it's worth a shot?

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Wow thank you so much for that extensive information! I found some Head-Fiers selling used Bottlehead Crack, do you think it's worth a shot?


Depends how much you trust likely amateur soldering skills of others. They'll also likely mark it up to $400 to $500 since it's prebuilt. I think on the Bottlehead forums there is one professional builder endorsed by Bottlehead, but he'll charge $250 on top the $300 kit. It's honestly not that hard, and the instructions provided are very detailed and has pictures for each joint soldered. Just make sure you use 60/40 lead/tin solder. It took me like 5 minutes per solder because I was using lead free solder which has a higher melting temperature when building the Crack. When I built the Quickie, I used 60/40 solder, and it was like 15 seconds per joint. Also make sure you read carefully when to solder, and when just to attach. I've had to improvise at times because I misread and soldered up a joint too early. Also, make sure you don't do any cold solders, which isn't hard with 60/40 solder.

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Season's greetings everyone.  I've been enjoying my HD 700's for about a week now (an early x-mas gift to myself), and wow Sennheiser once again delivers. All the early negative reviews discouraged me from committing myself sooner, but once the street price plunged to a respectable $649, all my hesitations vanished. And now, I'm happy to report that many of the negative comments concerning these headphones were and are, imho, greatly exaggerated. Sure, the 700's treble will justly earn them the "bright" monicker. I won't argue otherwise, but to my ears, they sound exquisitely detailed and lithe, not "peaky" or "plasticky" or for that matter, inordinately "hot." And sure, even at $649usd, I feel they are a tad overpriced, but doggonit, if you ask me, all headphones are overpriced! 

 

I think the HD 700 nicely complements the HiFiMan He 500, btw, which to my ears sound like a glorified HD 580. And while  the He500 possesses an exemplary mid-range, liquid and warm as heated amber, by contrast, the HD 700 sounds lightning fast. From my limited time with thses bad boys, I sense that they can respond to any wavefront no matter how steep!  The only thing that compromises the HD 700's otherwise excellent transparency is a rather peculiar dip in the upper midrange frequencies (a quirk reminiscent to the HE 400's all-out upper midrange recession). I'm hoping some further burn-in can mitigate this issue though; otherwise, I will put the good old graphic equalizer to work. Oh, and I shouldn't forget the bass! My goodness: it's punchy, tight as a drum, and genuinely articulate. A real surprise to me.  Is the HD 700 an upgrade to the HD 6xx models, you ask? "Hell yes!" Though, I  will hasten to add that the 700's tuning may not suit Sennheiser purists and folks sensitive to extra treble. 

 

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Edited by Madmollusk - 12/14/13 at 3:15pm
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I also took the plunge at $649, but didn't even know the criticism was that they had hot or peaky treble.  What I was afraid of was the Sennheiser  veil obscuring a crystaline and halographic high end.  I really bought these naively thinking they were at a price point in the Senn line I wanted to buy. I am quite pleased with the sound and wonder what the other more typical head phones in the Senn line up sound like.

post #850 of 7109

I just received my pair, and I must say, listening to Gangnam Style in 24-192 is spectacular with these!

 

Just kidding. I got them, and like them so far (30 minutes in). I come from Beyer DT770 Pro 250ohm, and UE6000s. And HD428s, used rarely. I also have an IEM pair of UE700 (a rather uncommon model AFAIK). So as you can expect, I should be pleased with these, as they are in a different class to what I currently own.

 

I am plugged into a Samsung Note 3 -> HRT MicroStreamer -> FiiO E12.

 

This is my first open headphone apparently, as my wife came in yelling at me to turn it down haha. Perhaps these won't be for the office..

 

I'll update as I spend more time with these, but currently have not experienced any treble fatigue (which I do get from my UE700s), so that has me very, very relieved.

post #851 of 7109

Planning to get a carrying case for HD700 as I will be traveling quite a bit. Can anyone give me the height of the headphones? Basically concerned with the ear cup height while lying it on a table.
Thanks! :)

post #852 of 7109
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Originally Posted by Jon-LF View Post


Schitt Magni - Modi combo seems pretty sweet for the price!

 

Not for HD700 imo, it's bright combo.

 

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Thanks for the input! Anything that's more travel friendly? Not portable per say, something that is 2 in 1?

 

 As for amp FiiO E12 works great for me.

post #853 of 7109
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Schitt Magni - Modi combo seems pretty sweet for the price!
Modi/Vali for $20 more? Anyone try that combo with HD700 yet?
post #854 of 7109

Hey, folks, I just noticed that the Matrix M-Stage headphone amp is on sale at Amazon for $209.00!!!!! (I sure hope it's OK to announce that here.) Presumably, the Matrix is a clone of a much more expensive amp (the Lehmann Black Cube), which by many accounts pairs exquisitely with the HD 800. I typically check the impulse to conjecture at the door, but in this case, I think that there is sufficient evidence to say: this amp should work equally well with the HD 700; it might even tame the treble just a tad for folks who need that. Presumably, the Matrix delivers a full-bodied and robust sound and provides plenty of headroom for even high impedance cans. I should have my Matrix tomorrow sometimes and will happily report back when I've spent some time with my new setup.  

post #855 of 7109
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Originally Posted by Madmollusk View Post
 

Hey, folks, I just noticed that the Matrix M-Stage headphone amp is on sale at Amazon for $209.00!!!!! (I sure hope it's OK to announce that here.) Presumably, the Matrix is a clone of a much more expensive amp (the Lehmann Black Cube), which by many accounts pairs exquisitely with the HD 800. I typically check the impulse to conjecture at the door, but in this case, I think that there is sufficient evidence to say: this amp should work equally well with the HD 700; it might even tame the treble just a tad for folks who need that. Presumably, the Matrix delivers a full-bodied and robust sound and provides plenty of headroom for even high impedance cans. I should have my Matrix tomorrow sometimes and will happily report back when I've spent some time with my new setup.  

 

They are fantastic amps, though I didn't like them for HD700.

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