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post #1891 of 2094
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Ok, you guys got me curious so I ordered a replacement cable and the Neutrik 4-pin XLR. How do I figure out how to wire each wire correctly to the xlr? Then, how do I test my work without plugging it in and blowing up my Mjolnir and HD700? Also, does any solder sound good or do I need some special silver stuff? Finally, do I need some shrink wrap or something for the connection? As you can tell, this will be my first HP wiring attempt.

 

The above diagram is a good starting point., regular solder is fine.

 

If you acquired a Senn replacement cable you'll need to remove their clear protective coating as noted by DVass13 after you strip the ends, and I also found a very fine grit emery cloth worked best.

As for shrink wrap, it's always a good idea, I was able to cover each pin after soldering and and progressively larger sizes over one another where the cable exits the connector, one can also use a hot glue gun and fill the cavity where you do the soldering as an extra precaution against stress and shorting.

Wow, just got the replacement cable and boy is it micro small and cheap - much worse than the picture. I will definitely have to a/b the stock cable to this one to see how much performance is lost and if it is even reasonable to use. Is there any way to reuse the HD700 connectors with a better cable directly rather than by bonding to the end of the cheap cable? It is encased in plastic as seen in the picture above and looks like there would be nothing left but the stem if I cut back the plastic to the leads.

 

Is there a source for hd700 DIY connectors?

post #1892 of 2094
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Originally Posted by Barra View Post

Wow, just got the replacement cable and boy is it micro small and cheap - much worse than the picture. I will definitely have to a/b the stock cable to this one to see how much performance is lost and if it is even reasonable to use. Is there any way to reuse the HD700 connectors with a better cable directly rather than by bonding to the end of the cheap cable? It is encased in plastic as seen in the picture above and looks like there would be nothing left but the stem if I cut back the plastic to the leads.

Is there a source for hd700 DIY connectors?
on ebay. Just search sennheiser hd700 cable
post #1893 of 2094
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Originally Posted by Barra View Post
 

Wow, just got the replacement cable and boy is it micro small and cheap - much worse than the picture. I will definitely have to a/b the stock cable to this one to see how much performance is lost and if it is even reasonable to use. Is there any way to reuse the HD700 connectors with a better cable directly rather than by bonding to the end of the cheap cable? It is encased in plastic as seen in the picture above and looks like there would be nothing left but the stem if I cut back the plastic to the leads.

 

Is there a source for hd700 DIY connectors?

The following is the type used by many aftermarket custom cable makers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-Cable-Plug-for-Sennheiser-HD700-700-/321478840757?pt=US_MP3_Player_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4ad9a1d1b5

post #1894 of 2094
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Originally Posted by Barra View Post

Wow, just got the replacement cable and boy is it micro small and cheap - much worse than the picture. I will definitely have to a/b the stock cable to this one to see how much performance is lost and if it is even reasonable to use. Is there any way to reuse the HD700 connectors with a better cable directly rather than by bonding to the end of the cheap cable? It is encased in plastic as seen in the picture above and looks like there would be nothing left but the stem if I cut back the plastic to the leads.

Is there a source for hd700 DIY connectors?
on ebay. Just search sennheiser hd700 cable

 

 

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Originally Posted by Barra View Post
 

Wow, just got the replacement cable and boy is it micro small and cheap - much worse than the picture. I will definitely have to a/b the stock cable to this one to see how much performance is lost and if it is even reasonable to use. Is there any way to reuse the HD700 connectors with a better cable directly rather than by bonding to the end of the cheap cable? It is encased in plastic as seen in the picture above and looks like there would be nothing left but the stem if I cut back the plastic to the leads.

 

Is there a source for hd700 DIY connectors?

The following is the type used by many aftermarket custom cable makers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-Cable-Plug-for-Sennheiser-HD700-700-/321478840757?pt=US_MP3_Player_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4ad9a1d1b5

Thanks Guys.

post #1895 of 2094

For anyone interested in HD700 listening impressions with a $300 Geek Out 100 DAC/AMP, I just posted a review:

http://www.head-fi.org/products/lhlabs-geek-out/reviews/11396

 

  • HD700: Listening level 25 of 100. Wow, just wow. It is an incredible pairing playing to all the HD700’s strengths (textures/bass/mids/detail), while adding a strong emotional connection to the music. While the X5 sounded great with the HD700, the Geek Out is bigger and more enjoyable. It sounds like I have a full sized tube amp hooked up dialed in for emotion. My single ended desktop solution the Beresford Caiman sounds wonderful and a little bigger, but much more laid back in comparison so the win goes to the Geek Out for SQ as well as fun.

 

If I wasn't already planning on getting a full sized tube amp, I would pick one of these up in a second, it is that impressive. My love affair with this HD700 just keeps growing. What was really impressive is how the HD700 bass was beating even my LCD2 in terms of SQ and impact coming from a small USB Key.

post #1896 of 2094

 

Ok curiosity has gotten the best of me and after being tempted by a few for sale offerings on the HD800s here and else where, my local “Canadian” dealer have them on sale again (much cheaper than in the US especially if you take in our current exchange rate into consideration) so I looked at the 7 day return policy and took the plunge.

I’ve heard the HD800s a few times but not at home in my system to actually compare them to my HD700s, I’ll give them a few days to give my comparative impressions but so far they are different from the HD700s, slightly flatter sounding, or if I may say so less dynamic, but then the HD700s gave me somewhat similar impression also at first.

The HD800s are definitely a more substantial headphone physically compared to the 700s and are able to go much louder without distorting but not an issue unless one wishes to damage their hearing.

Also I mustn’t loose sight of my original reason for procuring the HD700s, and that was that they emulate very well the tonality of my speaker system.

Anyway, way too early to say which I’ll prefer over the long haul, so far I’m still drawn to the 700 but time will tell and lest we forget this is HD700 impressions thread. : )


Edited by Rob80b - 8/5/14 at 5:21pm
post #1897 of 2094
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Ok curiosity has gotten the best of me and after being tempted by a few for sale offerings here and else where, my local “Canadian” dealer have them on sale again (much cheaper than in the US especially if you take in our current exchange rate into consideration) so I looked at the 7 day return policy and took the plunge.

I’ve heard the HD800s a few times but not at home in my system to actually compare them to my HD700s, I’ll give them a few days to give my comparative impressions but so far they are different from the HD700s, slightly flatter sounding, or if I may say so less dynamic, but then the HD700s gave me somewhat similar impression also at first.

The HD800s are definitely a more substantial headphone physically compared to the 700s and are able to go much louder without distorting but not an issue unless one wishes to damage their hearing.

Also I mustn’t loose sight of my original reason for procuring the HD700s, and that was that they emulate very well the tonality of my speaker system.

Anyway, way too early to say which I’ll prefer over the long haul, so far I’m still drawn to the 700 but time will tell and lest we forget this is HD700 impressions thread. : )

:popcorn:

post #1898 of 2094
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Originally Posted by Madmollusk View Post
 

:popcorn:


Silly me, I didn't clarify that it was the HD800s that I just took brought home, I corrected my post. :o

 

"Ok curiosity has gotten the best of me and after being tempted by a few for sale offerings here and else where, my local “Canadian” dealer have them on sale again"

"Ok curiosity has gotten the best of me and after being tempted by a few for sale offerings on the HD800s here and else where, my local “Canadian” dealer have them on sale again"

 

Popcorn, a good idea while I sit and listen.


Edited by Rob80b - 8/5/14 at 5:33pm
post #1899 of 2094

Still early in the game, but one incongruity I’ve have found with the HD800s from album to album is that, and it may be just ‘my ears” in conjunction with the 800 drivers, but I find the sound field is not linear from left to right, the sound continues to have more aural weight at the ears akin to having speakers too widely separated, not quite a whole in the middle but I find this oddity distracting even though the overall sound is more ethereal and euphonic compared to the 700s.

The HD700s narrower sound field IMHO produces a more natural staging, the central imaging holding it’s own weight, akin to properly placed speakers but many may prefer the wider spaciousness of the HD800s which gives the apparent sense of more air around performers and instruments but at the same time losing the homogeny of the recording. Tonally both phones are fairly similar, the HD700 being just a touch warmer and an easier phone to chill out to, the HD800s are maybe a bit too tidy for my taste, the more efficient drivers in the HD700s also I believe attribute to the 700s jump factor, which make them a bit more exciting to listen over a wider genres of music.

 

Sound wise if that was the only criteria between the two the slight price difference I feel is in line, physical construction is another matter as the HD800 ensures a pride of ownership making one feel the HD700 should no more than half the price if that.

The all-plastic construction of the HD700s doesn’t lend itself to same confidence as one has with the 800s, but this makes them that much lighter so that physically one forgets they are on the head.

Which one is the more preferred phone, to me it really come down to personal preferences, but overall the HD700 does hold it’s own and for some itching to move up to it’s bigger brother it really is a think twice as it really is about the music.

 

Also, earlier I mentioned that the Hd700 appeared to distort (not by much) at high than safe volumes (the torture test), well I was using the balanced connector which of coarse has 6dBs more gain, reinstalling the unbalanced cable on the 700s the two phones were more or less equal. Unfortunately without a balanced cable for the 800s I’m unable to ascertain if it’s 300 Ω nominal impedance would  indeed benefit from the additional 6dBs.

 

But as I stated “Still early in the game” : )

 

 

Selections used so far for evaluation.

 

Simple Minds “New Gold Dream”

Kathleen Battle “Grace”

Gyorgy Ligeti “Chamber Concerto” on Deutsche Grammophon,

Miles Davis “Ascenseur pour l’echafaud”

Underworld “dubnobasswithmyheadman”

Bartok “Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion” live on  Hungaroton

Yello “Zebra”

post #1900 of 2094
I see the hd800 as the high maintenance gorgeous bombshell princess, and the hd700 as her beautiful but not quite as hot sister in her shadow which is easy going and a lot more fun. While the hd800 demands only the best in fine dining, clothes, social events, and vacations; her sister is happy watching sports, hiking, and camping and is willing to eat hotdogs with a smile. The hd700 loves you while the hd800 only loves herself. In the end, being the greedy basturds us headfiers are, we end up wanting both for different reasons.
post #1901 of 2094
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I see the hd800 as the high maintenance gorgeous bombshell princess, and the hd700 as her beautiful but not quite as hot sister in her shadow which is easy going and a lot more fun. While the hd800 demands only the best in fine dining, clothes, social events, and vacations; her sister is happy watching sports, hiking, and camping and is willing to eat hotdogs with a smile. The hd700 loves you while the hd800 only loves herself. In the end, being the greedy basturds us headfiers are, we end up wanting both for different reasons.


Nice summary ! ;) 

post #1902 of 2094
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Originally Posted by Rob80b View Post
 

Still early in the game, but one incongruity I’ve have found with the HD800s from album to album is that, and it may be just ‘my ears” in conjunction with the 800 drivers, but I find the sound field is not linear from left to right, the sound continues to have more aural weight at the ears akin to having speakers too widely separated, ..................

 

Doing some cursory listening as the day goes on, the HD800 appear to have loosened up a bit, loosing a bit of their ethereal quality (a good thing) and the somewhat prominent staging next to ears has greatly improved. Interestingly I had found similar developments over a day or two with HD700s, although for many “break-in is up for discussion”, but IMHO the driver membranes and coils "fresh out of the box" do indeed need a day or so of playing to really come on to their own in reaching the targeted pliability for the best sound.

Still the HD800s have not lessened the aural capabilities of the HD700s and those who currently do own them shouldn’t loose sleep over the what ifs.

Which one will I keep? still don't know. ,but if it's the HD800s I'll need to mosey over to the other thread. :)

post #1903 of 2094
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Which one will I keep? still don't know. ,but if it's the HD800s I'll need to mosey over to the other thread. :)

I could never make this decision. To this day, I’m enamored with both the HD700 and HD800. (Actually, I’m still quite fond of the HD650 and HD580 too).

When I first auditioned the HD800, however, I was dubious; I just didn’t know how to mentally process that amazingly immersive soundstage, but after about a year (and some improved gear), I finally had that special moment with the HD800 (call that moment an epiphany, if you will); afterwards, all the imagining and sound-staging idiosyncrasies morphed into something breathtakingly holographic.

 

Today, I really can’t imagine being without the HD800. There are times, however, when the HD800 is just too much of a good thing, and I crave a more traditional headphone experience, and that's when I reach for the HD700; it takes a moment to readjust to its smaller soundstage, its more terrestrial imaging, but when I adjust, the HD700 always thrills me. Its immediacy, its taut and yet impactful bass, its PRAT… Ugh, what can I say: I just love my Sennheiser headphones.

 

Oh, btw, if you mosey on over to the HD800 thread anytime soon, be warned; there’s some drama over there right now. 

post #1904 of 2094
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 there’s some drama over there right now. 

 

Always is.

post #1905 of 2094
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Originally Posted by Madmollusk View Post
 

I could never make this decision. .......... There are times, however, when the HD800 is just too much of a good thing, and I crave a more traditional headphone experience, and that's when I reach for the HD700; it takes a moment to readjust to its smaller soundstage, its more terrestrial imaging, but when I adjust, the HD700 always thrills me. .............

Mirrors my sentiments exactly!

 

Listening to Kraftwerk’s live ‘Minimum Maximum” (which I had the pleasure of experiencing first hand) the HD800s presented me with almost clinical precision, an obvious expansive sound field but…. to just chill out and get in the groove… it did not.

Switching over to the HD700s showed off the HD800s technical superiority but once my senses readjusted to the smaller soundstage (which compared to many phones is not small by any stretch of the imagination), slightly more intimate and warmer presentation I was able to relax and got immersed in the music.

So after a few days of critical heavy listening there is no denying the technical prowess of the 800’s, but which one will get the most used…….I honestly would have to say..the HD700s... at this point in time the HD800 would be no more than an audiophile indulgence, which I’m sure we’ve all been guilty of at "more" than one time or another. :o

When I really want to get immersed in a listening session, therefore not to just chill out I turn to my speaker set-up, the Dynaudio Special 25s augmented with a 15” Velodyne.

So I will be returning the HD800s, which I will no doubt revisit at another time, but as I’ve stated a few times, the HD700 continue to fill and satisfy my current needs.


Edited by Rob80b - 8/7/14 at 7:37am
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