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post #1711 of 2532
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Originally Posted by HPiper View Post
 

Yeah, it is called the HD800

really?  i haven't heard it, but the descriptions are that it's more "monitor" and less "hi-fi," whatever that means.  i interpret it to mean a colder tone, which i don't think i'd prefer.  other descriptions give the hd800 a still bigger soundstage but then say some people find the instruments getting disconnected, diffused or lost in that space.  so, not having heard it myself, i try to glean some meaning from these pieces of prose poetry.  of course, it was a similar process that led me to think that the hd700 would be good for what i listen to, and in that judgement i was correct.  so i'm not convinced the hd800 would be a step up for me.  

 

please tell me your impressions of it in comparison to the hd700.  

 

 

edit- just looked at your profile.  your musical tastes are similar to mine, but i don't see the hd800 among the several sets you list.  have you spent much time on the 700 and the 800?  do you think any of the 'phones you have are preferable, and if so which ones and on what basis?


Edited by jk47 - 5/23/14 at 8:15pm
post #1712 of 2532
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Originally Posted by jk47 View Post

really?  i haven't heard it, but the descriptions are that it's more "monitor" and less "hi-fi," whatever that means.  i interpret it to mean a colder tone, which i don't think i'd prefer.  other descriptions give the hd800 a still bigger soundstage but then say some people find the instruments getting disconnected, diffused or lost in that space.  so, not having heard it myself, i try to glean some meaning from these pieces of prose poetry.  of course, it was a similar process that led me to think that the hd700 would be good for what i listen to, and in that judgement i was correct.  so i'm not convinced the hd800 would be a step up for me.  

please tell me your impressions of it in comparison to the hd700.  


edit- just looked at your profile.  your musical tastes are similar to mine, but i don't see the hd800 among the several sets you list.  have you spent much time on the 700 and the 800?  do you think any of the 'phones you have are preferable, and if so which ones and on what basis?

Them's fighting words! Just be careful with that on here. smily_headphones1.gif

I've owned the HD700 and currently own the HD800, and to me the HD800 is a superior headphone in every way when properly driven. Most good HD800 setups require your amp to be at least the same cost of the HD800 itself, if not many multiples more. But if you're looking for an improvement to the HD700 without having to spend another $1000 to $2000 on an amp to do the headphones justice, I recommend the AKG K812. If the HD700 are 70% of a proper driven HD800, I'd say the K812 are 90% the HD800 and it doesn't even need a super pricey amp. Even a portable one will do.
post #1713 of 2532
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post


Them's fighting words! Just be careful with that on here. smily_headphones1.gif

I've owned the HD700 and currently own the HD800, and to me the HD800 is a superior headphone in every way when properly driven. Most good HD800 setups require your amp to be at least the same cost of the HD800 itself, if not many multiples more. But if you're looking for an improvement to the HD700 without having to spend another $1000 to $2000 on an amp to do the headphones justice, I recommend the AKG K812. If the HD700 are 70% of a proper driven HD800, I'd say the K812 are 90% the HD800 and it doesn't even need a super pricey amp. Even a portable one will do.

which are the "fighting words"?  i thought i was just being straightforward and asking genuine questions, so sorry if i offended you or the great spirit of the hd800.

 

[edit- just saw the highlighting you added to 'more "monitor" and less "hifi."'  as i said, those are some of the descriptions i've read.  having never heard the hd800 myself, i'm in no position to have an opinion.  your suggestion of k812 is interesting given the fact that the 812 is supposed to be so easy to drive.  otoh, it costs $1500 at the moment, same as the hd800, and more than i'm ready to spend to get from 70% to 90%.  but the descriptions of the 812, as well as your endorsement, DO MAKE IT TEMPTING.] 

 

 

i did also have the easier drivability of the 700 in mind as well, though i didn't mention that in my impressions post.  i just got a fiio x5, and i'd like to take it and the hd700 on my next laid-back style [as opposed to hiking, rafting, whatever] vacation.

 

but i'd appreciate it if you'd expand on the differences between the hd700 and hd800 if NOT quite properly driven. and if properly driven.  are the "colder", "airier but more diffuse" criticisms in any way accurate to your ears?

 

i'll take a look at what info is available on k812


Edited by jk47 - 5/24/14 at 11:34am
post #1714 of 2532

oops-  i just discovered it was the melos quartet playing schubert that i was listening to, not the emerson. i have the emerson doing the art of the fugue.  i guess that's the kind of thing that happens when it's all on a hard drive being streamed, and you haven't seen the physical cd in years.  not that this makes much difference, but i just wanted to be accurate. 

post #1715 of 2532
Pretty much those criticisms on thin and diffuse are how I would describe a poorly driven HD800, along with harsh and bright. Most notably to me, the vocals sound incoherent and too wide and stretched and distant when poorly driven. However, when I use it with my Questyle, I have never heard vocals as intimate as the HD800.
post #1716 of 2532
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Pretty much those criticisms on thin and diffuse are how I would describe a poorly driven HD800, along with harsh and bright. Most notably to me, the vocals sound incoherent and too wide and stretched and distant when poorly driven. However, when I use it with my Questyle, I have never heard vocals as intimate as the HD800.

Without any heavy amping, straight out of a portable amp, (Xduoo XD-02 in this case) the HD598 and HD650 are much more enjoyable to listen to than a HD800.
That should give a good picture on just how poor the HD800 really sounds without proper amping.
I have yet to hear a HD800 from a proper setup before but I certainly look forward to trying it out someday.

post #1717 of 2532
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Pretty much those criticisms on thin and diffuse are how I would describe a poorly driven HD800, along with harsh and bright. Most notably to me, the vocals sound incoherent and too wide and stretched and distant when poorly driven. However, when I use it with my Questyle, I have never heard vocals as intimate as the HD800.

given the supposed ease of driving the k812 and the precision of your descriptions and how they fit with what i've read to date, i'm afraid i'm going to have to take your recommendation of the akg phones really seriously.  "sorry about your wallet," indeed!  i'm sure there are hours of reading for me between now and the actual wallet attack, or maybe i should say attack of desire, weighed against my wish to defend my wallet.  i never, ever would have thought that i'd give even remote consideration to such an expensive set of headphones, but having experienced the upgrade in sensation by moving from the x1 to the hd700, i now have a sense of what is possible.  this place is dangerous. ;-)

post #1718 of 2532

Well, got my short cable in.  For only having paid around $31 for it, I'm in no way displeased.  I could be wrong, but I think the bass might have a lil more power behind it than the stock cable.  Its 1.5M long, which is fine for me considering I'll be using it almost exclusively on a portable source.  I suspect I'll be using my HD700 quite a bit in the future.

post #1719 of 2532
Hello.I recently bought the Fiio X5 for my Momentums and am thinking of buying the HD 650/700.I havent listened to either,and here in India i have a practically zero chance of listening to them before buying.So does anyone have an idea how the 650 compares to the 700 and is it well worth the price difference to buy the 700?And what amp do I
need for either with the x5?
post #1720 of 2532
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Originally Posted by jk47 View Post

which are the "fighting words"?  i thought i was just being straightforward and asking genuine questions, so sorry if i offended you or the great spirit of the hd800.

[edit- just saw the highlighting you added to 'more "monitor" and less "hifi."'  as i said, those are some of the descriptions i've read.  having never heard the hd800 myself, i'm in no position to have an opinion.  your suggestion of k812 is interesting given the fact that the 812 is supposed to be so easy to drive.  otoh, it costs $1500 at the moment, same as the hd800, and more than i'm ready to spend to get from 70% to 90%.  but the descriptions of the 812, as well as your endorsement, DO MAKE IT TEMPTING.] 


i did also have the easier drivability of the 700 in mind as well, though i didn't mention that in my impressions post.  i just got a fiio x5, and i'd like to take it and the hd700 on my next laid-back style [as opposed to hiking, rafting, whatever] vacation.

but i'd appreciate it if you'd expand on the differences between the hd700 and hd800 if NOT quite properly driven. and if properly driven.  are the "colder", "airier but more diffuse" criticisms in any way accurate to your ears?

i'll take a look at what info is available on k812

How does the 700 sound with your x5,unamped?
post #1721 of 2532
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Originally Posted by AN94Master View Post

how
How does the 700 sound with your x5,unamped?

i sent the x5 back, unopened, and bought a dx90, which just arrived and isn't set up yet.  i'll let you know when i've gotten the thing set up and had a chance to listen with hd700. i also DID buy an [open box] k812, which both sonido and m-13 have said pairs very well with the dx90,  the k812 hasn't arrived yet, but i'm looking forward to listening to the dx90 on both the hd700 and the k812.  however, the dx90 supposedly needs 400 hours of burn in before it's stable and at its best, so i don't have a clue when i get to that stage.  

 

all that said, i thought both the x5 and the dx90 were combined dac's AND amps, though i know the dx90 has a line out so that it can be used as just a dac and the signal sent to an external amp.  i would imagine the x5 has the same capability.  so by "unamped" i assume you mean just played straight from the headphone out.

 

my listening to the hd700's to date has been on the headphone out of a nad c375bee integrated amp.  the headphone out has an impedance of 68ohms. the hd700 has an impedance of 150ohms, half that of the harder-to-drive and supposedly much-pickier-about-input hd800.   the dx90, along with the x5, has an output impedance of less than 1ohm, so i'm not sure how THAT will effect things, all the other differences aside.

 

when i've set things up and had a chance to listen, i'll post some impressions.


Edited by jk47 - 5/31/14 at 8:17am
post #1722 of 2532

I was just looking around kind of window shopping and I saw that Headroom had stock replacement cables for the HD700 at (I think) $259. I couldn't believe it. That is unreal for a stock cable, so I looked around a little and didn't see much out there for the 700, lots for the 800. So anybody found an inexpensive cable that they like for the HD700, or at least one that is less than $250. If it is even higher quality than the stock one that would be a plus as well.

post #1723 of 2532
I would start researching the Chinese cables on eBay. Some of those companies do quality work, some are passable. I did see there was an 8' XLR cable for sale for $152, but I'd research who's selling it first. Hopefully someone can chime in with some actually useful info, I still haven't gotten around to doing A/B with the stock and eBay cable I have.
post #1724 of 2532

There's always the HD212, HD212-Pro, HD477 and HD497 cable.  It's inexpensive.

post #1725 of 2532
Would that need modification to fit?
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