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post #1696 of 7128
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Originally Posted by Shckr View Post
 

The part marked in red is what I removed, along with all of the white mesh, including the mesh in the driver itself. You have to be very careful as you can easily damage the driver. This is not for the faint of heart.

 

First you need to remove the driver, and it is glued in place.

Next remove the white mesh, and cut out all of the red from the first picture. Try to leave a clean finish on the plastic.

Then remove the white mesh from the rear of the driver with a small flat head or sharp knife.

Proceed to remove the 6 supporting structures from the rear of the driver.

      Take your time here. I just used pliers and gradually started to move them up and down breaking the plastic.

Last remove the metal grill and plastic hex opening from the cover. (Pic two left side.)

 

 

This completely opens up headset and the sound as well. It prevents the sound from bouncing around everywhere inside making you hear higher pitches twice. Although it looks ugly from the outside, it sounds fantastic. Still not as good as the HD700, but better than an HD600/HD650.

 

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Only proceed if your willing to throw a pair away due to messing up the driver. 

Thanks for the info, I don't think i'm ready to tear away that much out of my precious pair just yet. These things are really expensive for me, maybe i can get a used HD518 from amazon (for the same price i had to pay for a HD202 locally) to try the mod.

post #1697 of 7128

It wasn't easy, but I love taking stuff apart. I have learned over the years what not to do, and to take your time. Patience is the hardest part when modding something you have never done before, let alone when there is no guide on how it works, or how to take it apart. I have to admit I almost broke mine a few times when I was working on it. Sometimes you have to stop yourself and take a break, then come back and look to see where you are at. Even if you make a mistake, you have to think logically about what can be done. Sometimes it's an easy fix, but because you have never come across the problem, or attempted anything similar, it can be very daunting. I love trying to improve on an already great design. It lets me think about what I would have done differently, and gives you a new perspective as to why certain things are made the way they are. It also gives you insight into looking at everything differently.  

 

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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post
 

Thanks for the info, I don't think i'm ready to tear away that much out of my precious pair just yet. These things are really expensive for me, maybe i can get a used HD518 from amazon (for the same price i had to pay for a HD202 locally) to try the mod.

 

You can also buy the replacement drivers, and work on those. I see that as a win win if you like to learn how the design effects the sound, and a way to compare the two. You would just need to know how to solder. 


Edited by Shckr - 5/18/14 at 11:57pm
post #1698 of 7128
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Originally Posted by Shckr View Post
 

It wasn't easy, but I love taking stuff apart. I have learned over the years what not to do, and to take your time. Patience is the hardest part when modding something you have never done before, let alone when there is no guide on how it works, or how to take it apart. I have to admit I almost broke mine a few times when I was working on it. Sometimes you have to stop yourself and take a break, then come back and look to see where you are at. Even if you make a mistake, you have to think logically about what can be done. Sometimes it's an easy fix, but because you have never come across the problem, or attempted anything similar, it can be very daunting. I love trying to improve on an already great design. It lets me think about what I would have done differently, and gives you a new perspective as to why certain things are made the way they are. It also gives you insight into looking at everything differently.  

 

 

You can also buy the replacement drivers, and work on those. I see that as a win win if you like to learn how the design effects the sound, and a way to compare the two. You would just need to know how to solder. 

Having done a Shure SRH940 to Beyerdynamic headband transplant and also done a removable wire mod for my HD202 I think I should be able to perform this surgery with a moderately high chance of success. I love modding too, though i've not been doing it nearly as long as you. If only i knew how to fix my train wrecked HD202....

post #1699 of 7128

Has anyone tried HD700 with Beyerdynamic's A20 amp can provide some feedback? There is a sale going on right now, very tempted..

I currently own Crack but it's very inconvenient as I travel a lot.

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Originally Posted by Shckr View Post

I cut the grill out.

Thanks Shckr!!! I see that that grill could affect the high frequency response. I hesitate to make such a mod as it will most definitely void the warranty. If this part could be purchased, then that part could be heavily modded. Doing this would create a great opportunity to customize with color. (Just a thought cool.gif)

Thanks again.
post #1701 of 7128

If you are happy with what you have, don't make any changes. I had the opportunity to see how it effected a similar headset and enjoyed the results. That headset also had replacement parts available I could buy if I needed to as well. This one does not.

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If there are some posts detailing this please direct me to them, but I was wondering what some of the better amps are that you have heard your HD700's on. I currently have a Lyr and it is a fantastic amp, but I (like most of you) am always looking for something that might be better.

post #1703 of 7128
I feed mine out of a vintage amp. Sounds awesome. Pioneer Spec 1 & 2, as well as a Kenwood KA-5700 integrated amp.
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i see this thread has moved way beyond its original topic of "sennheiser hd 700 impressions."  i read the first several pages as part of my research into these hp, and then i must admit i skipped to the last few pages- i wasn't prepared to wade through over 100 pages in between.

 

i'm a newbie here.  i joined recently mostly to say thanks to this community for all the information here, all the contradictions and disagreements included.  this site is a tremendous resource.

 

i first encountered head-fi a couple of years ago when i decided to upgrade my home sound system.  i ended up buying a nad c375bee amp and some kef speakers [the amp discounted because it was a demo model at audioadvisor, the speakers discounted because they - the highest level kef's at the time- were being replaced by a new model].  

 
i came to head-fi was when i was researching dac's.  where else would i end up but here!  ;-)
 

now my music is in flacs, ripped to a vortexbox from the several hundred cd's i own.  from there it's streamed to a squeezebox touch, optical to a gungnir dac [which i bought after learning about it on this site], cable to the amp and then to my speakers.  the amp has a headphone out and is located just a couple of feet from my favorite chair in my living room.  i've done some hp listening here lately, mostly with the fidelio x1's which were one of my impulsive buys right after i got back to head-fi. [this place is dangerous to one's wallet!]

 

i came back here when i decided to look into headphones as a possible solution to the conflict between my wife's desire for silence [when she's not playing the piano], and my desire for music.  trying to learn here is like drinking from a firehose!  [i guess.  i've never actually drunk from a firehose.]  the information is enormous, overwhelming.  i made a few quick and impulsive purchases based on various things i read, some of which i already regret.  but then i dug in to look for an end point- headphones that would be as good as possible, under $1k, for what i listen to: classical music- mostly chamber music [string quartets, flute or other wind sonatas, solo piano, and so on], but some orchestral as well [i've been listening to prokofiev a lot lately]; and acoustic jazz, mostly from the '50s-'70s era, not much bop except for monk, a lot of california style- desmond, mulligan, baker, a lot of getz, and some newer stuff - jacky terrason and tord gustavson, others.  

 

from my research here, and thus based only on the ears and descriptions of others i'm afraid, i concluded that the hd700 would be the best 'phones for me- letting me follow the lines of the small groups of acoustic players that i tend to listen to, whether classical or jazz.  i finally bit on a price drop last night, when on amazon the phones went from about $850 to $730 for a little while.  [i had a camelx3 alert set for $660 based on the prior price pattern, but ultimately didn't have the patience, or the self-control, to wait longer.]

 

so they are due to arrive in 2 days.  i plan to start with the emerson quartet playing schubert's death and the maiden, then a poulenc flute sonata, and then a variety of cuts from my jazz favorites folder.  i have a lot of hope, even optimism, that i've made the right choice for my particular purposes, but a bit of dread that i've spent that much money based on [a lot of] second hand information.  i'll check in here and let you know how it works out.

 

but anyway, thanks again to all of you.  

post #1705 of 7128

Having listened/owned/auditioned to over 45 headphones now, I think you'll like the HD700.  It is an open back design so keep in mind your wife will hear everything you listen to if she's nearby.

 

Welcome to Head Fi - and as the saying goes to newbies - sorry about your wallet. 

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Insides of the HD700, I couldn't find any anywhere so I took them apart.

 

 

Hi Shckr

 

Curious how easy it was to disassemble the HD700s, one bezel on mine cracked just by adjusting them and sent them off to Sennheiser under warranty who at the same time checked out the imbalance between channels. (both drivers were replaced).

 

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Originally Posted by Rob80b View Post
 

 

 

Hate to need to worry if they are indeed fragile little creatures

Anyone know if these are totally modular like the HD600 series, maybe I can just order the trim although I’ll contact Sennheiser tomorrow to know for sure.

Anyway they came back with the silver paint on the inner rings marred by service, Sennheiser then ordered that part also, but that was quite a while ago, I’m still waiting but in the meantime I’m thinking the HD700s may actually look better if I was to remove all the silver from the inner ring,

 

therefore it would be black but would like to disassemble them to do it properly but having had the bezel crack once I’m a bit weary as they are not as user friendly as the HD600 series.

post #1707 of 7128

I might make a video using my phone, showing how I took them apart. This might be the last headset I ever buy though. I am a big fan of the Klipsch X10, and if I ever look into spending more into a new toy, I will probably stick with an IEM.

 

My only problem with the HD700 is every time I use an EQ to make it sound better, it takes away to much from somewhere else. Maybe I just need to listen to them significantly longer before I can get a better idea of where I want the HD700 to sit.


Edited by Shckr - 5/23/14 at 1:18am
post #1708 of 7128
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Originally Posted by Oregonian View Post
 

Having listened/owned/auditioned to over 45 headphones now, I think you'll like the HD700.  It is an open back design so keep in mind your wife will hear everything you listen to if she's nearby.

 

Welcome to Head Fi - and as the saying goes to newbies - sorry about your wallet. 

you were certainly right in predicting i'd like the hd700.  i started by listening to the emerson quartet playing schubert's "death and the maiden," and then checked my impressions by playing segments on the fidelio x1.

 

wow!  the hd700 had what felt like a 220-240o soundstage- i was IN it. the tone was wonderful and i was surrounded by the music- the first violin to my left, the cello on the right and a bit behind me, the viola front left and the 2nd violin front right.  the last 2 were a little hard to separate, especially because they were often playing in unison, but then i could hear snatches of their playing that i had never noticed before, and which placed each of them clearly.

 

the x1 in comparison had about a 120o soundstage, with the instruments much less clearly demarcated. the x1 placed the instruments at a bit of a distance, in front of me, not around me.  also i had formerly thought the x1's were incredibly comfortable; the hd700 is significantly more comfortable.

 

i tried some orchestral music with mendelssohn's midsummer night's dream [previn and the lso] and the contrast between the 2 headphones was the same.  i did think i caught a little bit of sibilance in the hd700 on some very high, bright, moments in the overture- cymbals? i'm not sure, but it was just a moment or two, and worth the price for the rest of what i heard.  then some chopin, some bach.  with solo instruments the contrast was less soundstage than air- the spaciousness of the hd700 and the richer tone it produced.

 

the x1 is a bit warmer, and i'd expected it would provide the better bass, but i was wrong.  it was warmer, but the bass on the hd700 was richer and clearer.

 

time for jazz:  i started with antonio carlos jobim and elis regina- i suddenly got confused about what set i was wearing- the fidelios felt a LOT more open than they had with the classical pieces.  i think that the recording had a lot more channel separation, which the x1 used to good effect.  nonetheless, the hd700 were in another class- richer, more immersive sound.

 

of course they SHOULD be in another class: they cost 3 times as much.

 

i stopped bothering to switch back and forth. i didn't need any more convincing.  art farmer; bud powell; branford marsalis; charlie hayden and pat metheny; chet baker and paul bley.; the clayton brothers [and that only got me to "c"]...   my head was bobbing and my feet tapping in a way they haven't for a long time.  

 

this was better than my "normal" sound system.  it was a bit of a shock to realize that.  i think i've got a pretty good system, not ultra-audiophile, but good.  still, it can't hold a candle to listening with the hd700.  i can't imagine what i'd have to spend to get a speaker system that sounded as good, as rich, as immersive, as these headphones.  [not counting putting an addition on my house for the listening room.]

 

so i'm impressed and enormously pleased by the hd700.  for what i listen to, they are wonderful.  

 

that leaves me with just one question that i'm almost afraid to ask:  is there something that is as much a step up from the hd700 as the hd700 is from the x1?

post #1709 of 7128

Yeah, it is called the HD800

post #1710 of 7128
Umm... The only things that could come close would be TOTL, and given diminishing returns, I doubt such a can, within reason, exists. This is the most expensive headphone I've heard, so any advice I could give is utterly theoretical, and many more people could give advice based on practical experience.
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