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post #91 of 1841
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Apparently the Japanese people who buy the FXD80 within the first month (until 7/8) direct from JVC-Victor/Kenwood, will get a free FX700-style case... *jealous*

 

http://victor-direct.jp/shop/item_detail?category_id=4627&item_id=830258

post #92 of 1841

I wonder if you use a Tenso Forwarding service, since it's in Japan, that would apply? :D

post #93 of 1841
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

Apparently the Japanese people who buy the FXD80 within the first month (until 7/8) direct from JVC-Victor/Kenwood, will get a free FX700-style case... *jealous*

 

http://victor-direct.jp/shop/item_detail?category_id=4627&item_id=830258

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post #94 of 1841

It saddens me a bit if the FXD80 is going to trump the FXT90 cheaper. THEY SHOULD ASK FOR MORE MONIES!

post #95 of 1841
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It saddens me a bit if the FXD80 is going to trump the FXT90 cheaper. THEY SHOULD ASK FOR MORE MONIES!

no way!..

post #96 of 1841
Originally Posted by jgray91 View Post

It saddens me a bit if the FXD80 is going to trump the FXT90 cheaper. THEY SHOULD ASK FOR MORE MONIES!

 

They might not need to ask for more money.  From what I understand, JVC pioneered the carbon nanotube driver-based IEM in the FXT90.  Much of the R&D cost could have been recouped by now & since the FXD80 is an advancement/tweak on the (fundamentally) same technology.. R&D & productions costs might have been lower this time around.  I'm just speculating here.. but certainly not complaining.. I like the price!  If/when it's officially available stateside (or worldwide), the cost could be closer to what the FXT90 sold at (~$160, if I remember correctly).

 

Also, whether the FXD80 turns out to be more technically proficient than the FXT90 remains to be seen.

post #97 of 1841
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It saddens me a bit if the FXD80 is going to trump the FXT90 cheaper. THEY SHOULD ASK FOR MORE MONIES!

 

Well, the price is lower, and the model number is lower (though not the same series). So it does make me kind of wonder -  unless JVC is being wholly unlike a normal audio company and pricing things according to the relative cost of production as opposed to how much rabid audiophiles will pay.

post #98 of 1841
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They'll probably just release an HA-FXU90 using drivers coated with fairy dust in the next few months. With them, we'll finally hear angels sing, and the gates of heaven will open to our arrival...

post #99 of 1841

I agree, I jumped the gun quite a bit just based on a translated Japanese impressions post (the cancer of Head-Fi, jumping the gun and declare a new king based on hearsay and just a few impressions, IMO). We'll see. Good point too on the lower R&D on the FXD80 is probably lower.

post #100 of 1841

I really don't know what costs more: making a small earphone with two drivers and correct wiring in a plastic shell (FXT90), or milling out a stainless steel enclosure and popping in a small driver at the end (FXD80).

 

The FXD seems less complex to produce in a design sense, but then again the material cost must be higher. So who knows?

 

I am happy to admit I have ordered a pair of these purely because the stainless steel looks gorgeous. ^__^ It totally, like, matches my iPhone and stuff.

post #101 of 1841
Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

 

[/]unless JVC is being wholly unlike a normal audio company and pricing things according to the relative cost of production as opposed to how much rabid audiophiles will pay.

 

A_rec, the housing of the RE0 sells for 50 cents on ebay, JVC makes drivers out of trees soaked in Sake and the future of Intel CPU chips, you decide.


Edited by kiteki - 6/10/12 at 4:44am
post #102 of 1841
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A_rec, the housing of the RE0 sells for 50 cents on ebay, JVC makes drivers out of trees soaked in Sake and the future of Intel CPU chips, you decide.

 

Kiteki, lol, I can assure you the manufacturing processes (and subsequent costs) required to make driver diaphragms is very different from the manufacturing processes of making Intel CPU's, even if some of the materials are both 'carbon nanotubes'. They use bamboo fibre to manufacture fancy underwear now, but that doesn't tell me very much about how much the new LCD-2 housing should cost. I don't think any of us have enough access to information about the processes or materials to make any firm guesses on how much these things cost to manufacture: sure, wooden drivers soaked in Sake does sound fancy and oh so techno-spiritual, but many drivers do have materials diffused onto them anyway - whether they be beryllium, diamonds, silver, etc.

 

In that company sake just sounds a bit like they are emulating cosmetics marketing, cf. SK-II's marketing of 'Pitera'.

 

 

 

 

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Anyway, let's start with the fun part. SK11 comes with an 'origination myth' and a La Mer-like mysterious ingredient. As SKll is made by Proctor & Gamble, I think we can safely assume our skeptical hats. The myth: 30 years ago (the bowels of time for the 28-year-old marketing executives who write this stuff), Japanese scientists wondered why the humble girls working in the local saki factory had such beautiful skin. In scientific defiance of closely held saki trade secrets, they traced the cause to a yeast. Not content with this, SKll's marketers invented a secret ingredient that is "seemingly miraculous" and called Pitera.
 
Let's take a look at SKll Facial Treatment Essence. Apparently, it was this product in particular that got the young (as then unknown and positively gawky Cate) switched on to this brand. And it has a whopping 90% Pitera. It is almost pure Pitera!
 
P&G does its best to make sure you can't find the ingredients for Facial Treatment Essence without buying the damn thing. Thankfully, a fellow blogger posted it. Here it is:
 
Saccharomycopsis ferment - yeast, to you and me; two moisturizers that you will find in most creams under the sun, butylene glycol and pentylene glycol; water; and three preservatives.
 
The Chinese recall did happen. There was a scare about a year or so ago that SKll products contained toxic amounts of heavy metals. This had a negative impact on P&G's beauty division revenues, hence the need to splash out on Cate. I hope she's thought of a good charity to donate her fee to.

 

The point I'm making isn't whether JVC is not capable of making good products at a good price, just that audio companies tend to use a huge amount of techno babble that the marketing department borrowed from the engineering department, with so many half-truths, exaggerations and simplifications that often the statements are really just meaningless (but exciting!) marketing copy. Meanwhile, the engineers behind the scenes continue to slave away, choosing materials based on all kinds of compromises and considerations that I doubt any of us (save for a select few, and not including myself) have either the tools or experience to understand.

 

I'm all for getting excited about this stuff, but I can tell you that if there was a room full of JVC engineers and Intel engineers, and you asked them if they used the same materials they would either laugh at you or give you a 5 hour engineering lecture and a stack of books to read. They would probably tell you to avoid the marketing folk next door too.


Edited by a_recording - 6/10/12 at 4:50am
post #103 of 1841

-shrug- I think JVC is a cutting edge firm with the capacity to invent a new product and price it at the normal level, you know where the average person thinks $100 for a tiny IEM is actually super crazy expensive, haha.

 

You don't get much 'traffic' at the $250+ level that's for sure.  I don't think those Sony EX700's sold like hotcakes at a...

 

Then you have the FI-BA-SS and JH11 level which, in reality, cost as much as a motorbike, or holiday to a tropical village in Thailand for 2 weeks, so you know, if you want to convince that customer they need to pay a fifth of the price of their smartphone for sound quality, only some companies can make that sound quality and a top flight product in the same package.

 

Just a theory.  After all JVC could have easily competed with the likes of Shure or Westone, using off the shelf drivers, in vented stainless steel and brass enclosure at the $300+ level if they wanted to.

 

That's why I like them recently, since they're doing something unique instead, paving their own path, you should throw flowers on companies like that.

post #104 of 1841
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post  I think JVC is a cutting edge firm with the capacity to invent a new product and price it at the normal level, you know where the average person thinks $100 for a tiny IEM is actually super crazy expensive, haha.

 

Yes and no. JVC is essentially buying material that other companies consider 'leftover crap' and applying it to audio. The material sounds cutting edge and expensive, but it's really not. The biggest challenge to carbon nanotubes seeing mainstream use is that they can't sustain polymerization long enough to create things that are actually useful (you know, space elevators and stuff); failed polymerizations end up getting discarded... I'm pretty sure this 'useless material' is what JVC is buying up and repurposing in these earphones. This stuff should be more of a powder-like material that they just sprinkle on and adhere to these diaphragms. Kudos to JVC for finding a new (exotic and marketable) material to coat diaphragms with at a cheap price, but it's hardly revolutionary from a technological or economic standpoint IMO.

post #105 of 1841

So Tom you mean you think it's not 'real' carbon nanotube, rather just a thin coating of carbon dust on a plastic driver?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength#Examples

 

 

You said Titanium isn't exotic either since it's in the NE700x..., I think you should be more optimistic about materials, you own the FI-BA-SS!


Edited by kiteki - 6/10/12 at 6:22am
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