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post #796 of 1954
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Originally Posted by muad View Post

to avoid up or down sampling by the windows mixer, plus to avoid windows audio tampering... I highly doubt that the difference is audible but it is peace of mind and doesn't cost me anything wink.gif

Do you use something else?

I'm pretty sure that windows 7 outputs bit perfect audio when the volume is at 100%. Could be wrong but I don't think so.
post #797 of 1954

Really? I was under the impression that without wasapi it would be resampled to the quality set in the windows mixer panel. Someone care to enlighten me?  

post #798 of 1954

I have to say after about a three hour listening session that I am completely impressed with the odac. I owned it for about a month right after it came out and I think that I didn't give it a fair shake. At the time I was comparing it against the Bifrost, which really isn't a fair comparison. The BF is better but it's more than 2x the cost. 

 

Now what I hear is a wonderfully resolving dac. It performs impressively with complex live jazz recordings. All the minute details are suddenly present now. It's like a expertly prepared dish made up of many complex and delicious ingredients. I know that many here have made comments about this dac being "strident and harsh" in the treble region. I don't find this to be the case at all and I'm very sensitive to bright sounds. I'm finding the material I listen to be presented in a very natural and refined way. 

 

And maybe the biggest surprise for me is the bass. Possibly it's because of better texture but it's even better with the odac. It's a tangible bass that isn't shy at all. 

 

So, IMO great dac and great price!! Highly recommended...

post #799 of 1954
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I have to say after about a three hour listening session that I am completely impressed with the odac. I owned it for about a month right after it came out and I think that I didn't give it a fair shake. At the time I was comparing it against the Bifrost, which really isn't a fair comparison. The BF is better but it's more than 2x the cost. 

 

Now what I hear is a wonderfully resolving dac. It performs impressively with complex live jazz recordings. All the minute details are suddenly present now. It's like a expertly prepared dish made up of many complex and delicious ingredients. I know that many here have made comments about this dac being "strident and harsh" in the treble region. I don't find this to be the case at all and I'm very sensitive to bright sounds. I'm finding the material I listen to be presented in a very natural and refined way. 

 

And maybe the biggest surprise for me is the bass. Possibly it's because of better texture but it's even better with the odac. It's a tangible bass that isn't shy at all. 

 

So, IMO great dac and great price!! Highly recommended...

 

I'm impressed too and I've only used it with the Q701 mostly confused_face.gif Maybe 25% of the time with my DJ100. I've never heard the bass of my DJ100 as good as it is using the ODAC. That's one thing that I noticed immediately too.

I would say my DJ100's signature sounds the same mostly, same with my KRKs. The Q701 is the only one that sounds slightly different. Only because I think my HRT MSII must have been darker than I thought. I would say it's signature is now closer to how it sounds when I connect a good cd player up to my amp.

 

Pretty surprised too how much larger the soundstage of my HD-580 got. I thought that was impossible. The DJ100's is about the same it seems, but that's closed.

 

BTW does your E17 have fuller sounding mids than the ODAC? I need to find out if the E17 has more extended treble than the E10. Probably. The E10 sounds a bit dark at times with my DJ100 and 598. Sounds fine with the Q701. As a DAC for ONLY the Q701, I don't know if the ODAC would be my first choice. Something slightly warmer sounding is OK with me. Maybe the E17 is a nice match for the Q701. E10 isn't too bad, but not good for some headphones.

post #800 of 1954
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Originally Posted by muad View Post

to avoid up or down sampling by the windows mixer, plus to avoid windows audio tampering... I highly doubt that the difference is audible but it is peace of mind and doesn't cost me anything wink.gif

 

Do you use something else?

I use nothing. Having to stop my music in foobar to listen to anything else got bothersome.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by muad View Post

Really? I was under the impression that without wasapi it would be resampled to the quality set in the windows mixer panel. Someone care to enlighten me?  

annnnd.. .why wouldn't you want to stream your 16 bit or 24 bit stuff at 24 bits? It actually has the benefit of making volume controls less degrading.. Outputting 16 bit at 24 bit just adds some zeros that act as a filler. No harm done, I swear. Windows 7 has bit perfect playback at max volume.


Edited by chrislangley4253 - 8/25/12 at 1:53am
post #801 of 1954

i was referring to up/downsampling to 44khz or whatever you set in the windows mixer. I was not referring to the bitrate...

post #802 of 1954
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Originally Posted by muad View Post

i was referring to up/downsampling to 44khz or whatever you set in the windows mixer. I was not referring to the bitrate...

hmmm. IDFK

post #803 of 1954

Does anyone have this experiences with the ODAC....

 

Listen to first track. Sounds like I have the HD-650 on my head, but it's only the Q701. Song is "Parting Ways" from Pearl Jam.

 

Try another random 3 songs and they sound like i'm hearing them from an AD700 or RE0.

 

Maybe the next one will sound like how it does on an HD-800 biggrin.gif

 

I think my recordings are not good enough for an HD-800 to begin with. Or even the Q701 and ODAC (seriously).

 

Today I spent 2 hours organizing my collection and re-ripping some stuff to FLAC.

 

Have to wonder how many people describe a specific headphone (with a very revealing setup) as thin or bass light, when it's possibly due to how the recording is.

 

Love analyzing all my music! It's so much fun! Who needs to actually listen to it. What fun is that...

post #804 of 1954
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Does anyone have this experiences with the ODAC....

 

Listen to first track. Sounds like I have the HD-650 on my head, but it's only the Q701. Song is "Parting Ways" from Pearl Jam.

 

Try another random 3 songs and they sound like i'm hearing them from an AD700 or RE0.

 

Maybe the next one will sound like how it does on an HD-800 biggrin.gif

 

I think my recordings are not good enough for an HD-800 to begin with. Or even the Q701 and ODAC (seriously).

 

Today I spent 2 hours organizing my collection and re-ripping some stuff to FLAC.

 

Have to wonder how many people describe a specific headphone (with a very revealing setup) as thin or bass light, when it's possibly due to how the recording is.

 

Love analyzing all my music! It's so much fun! Who needs to actually listen to it. What fun is that...

 

It's all in your head tongue.gif , listening the same track one hour later on the same setup some times => hey it's not the same ?

 

huh ? well mood  , concentration , tiredness etc etc , so many factor that can influence how we perceive music . ODAC is not responsible about how you feel redface.gif

 

Furthemore audio memory is totaly unreliable . (well just speacking for me at least) .


Edited by HaVoC-28 - 8/25/12 at 4:26pm
post #805 of 1954

2 O2 amps and one Odac with a second on order...comparing with my Lyr...what a difference to me.

 

Bass is tighter and soild.

 

Ovearll the Dac and Amp are superlative for the price...less stuff to worry about now...

 

Have compared to a HRT MSii+ and I can not hear any real difference...one is $350 the other is $99.

 

I absolutely agree to all the comments about the ODAC being revealing and if you have a crappy recorded and mastered flac it will sound crappy...this allows me to get back to the music and seek the best recorded and mastered source material.

 

I am using LCD2;s, Grado 325i's and both are easily driven by the amp/ODAC.

 

Again going back and forth with the HRT and ODAC I dont hear any real differences I can honestly discern...not so with the amps.

 

All the things about your mindset, mood, time of day, expectation bias etc I agree with as well....I want it perfect everytime...

 

I do find myself using the higer gain settings on the amp with the LCD2's seems to sounf fuller, or louder...then when going back to the lower gain setting and cranking up the volume I can make it sound the same but at a higher volume setting ....But my brain at times thinks its better with the higher gain initially....

 

It so nice to see a $99 product that performs so well .....

 

Alex

post #806 of 1954
Quote:
Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Does anyone have this experiences with the ODAC....

 

Listen to first track. Sounds like I have the HD-650 on my head, but it's only the Q701. Song is "Parting Ways" from Pearl Jam.

 

Try another random 3 songs and they sound like i'm hearing them from an AD700 or RE0.

 

Maybe the next one will sound like how it does on an HD-800 biggrin.gif

 

I think my recordings are not good enough for an HD-800 to begin with. Or even the Q701 and ODAC (seriously).

 

Today I spent 2 hours organizing my collection and re-ripping some stuff to FLAC.

 

Have to wonder how many people describe a specific headphone (with a very revealing setup) as thin or bass light, when it's possibly due to how the recording is.

 

Love analyzing all my music! It's so much fun! Who needs to actually listen to it. What fun is that...

Bahahaha. That is why I didn't do well in English class, always asking me to analyse this or that instead of just letting me enjoy the damn book. I'm the same with music, perhaps I don't belong on these forums? :(

post #807 of 1954

O2+ODAC combo or O2 with Dacport for LCD-2 and Magnums?

post #808 of 1954
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Originally Posted by sling5s View Post

O2+ODAC combo or O2 with Dacport for LCD-2 and Magnums?

i use the combo (in separate boxes) with my magnums. I really, really like the sound.

post #809 of 1954
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrislangley4253 View Post

i use the combo (in separate boxes) with my magnums. I really, really like the sound.

I get the impression that since both O2 and ODAC are both cold or revealing (especially the ODAC) that it might be too much.
post #810 of 1954
Quote:
Originally Posted by sling5s View Post


I get the impression that since both O2 and ODAC are both cold or revealing (especially the ODAC) that it might be too much.

well, my magnums are woodies. 

 

It depends on the specific magnum drivers and how you are housing them really. I would suggest getting the "transparent" gear, and then maybe tuning your magnums to your taste, if they no longer appeal to you. 

 

I wouldn't buy a warm dac or amp to try to fix strident headphones. Just silly. EQ instead

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