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Poll Results: Which one is better?

 
  • 48% (130)
    Hifiman HE-6
  • 51% (138)
    Audeze LCD-3
268 Total Votes  
post #226 of 405
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Let's not forget depth vs. quality. The LCD-3s have the DT1350s hands down. That said, the DT1350s do extend down pretty low (I used to own them). 

Let's not forget graph doesn't mean squat tongue_smile.gif. It's useful to know the general signature of a headphone (dark,bright ..etc) but doesn't mean anything about the technical capabilities of said headphone (at least the freq graph doesn't).

 

I know you owned the 1350, that's why I left the graph there (mine is collecting dust on the drawer too). 


Edited by khaine1711 - 4/22/13 at 7:55pm
post #227 of 405
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Let's not forget graph doesn't mean squat tongue_smile.gif. It's useful to know the general signature of a headphone (dark,bright ..etc) but doesn't mean anything about the technical capabilities of said headphone (at least the freq graph doesn't).

 

I know you owned the 1350, that's why I left the graph there (mine is collecting dust on the drawer too). 

Indeed; it's much more informative to look at 3-dimensional graphs that present the temporal axis as well as the amplitude/frequency axes, ala cumulative spectral decay "waterfall" plots. And even then critical sonic attributes like resolution, separation, etc still cannot be extrapolated.

post #228 of 405
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Let's not forget graph doesn't mean squat tongue_smile.gif. It's useful to know the general signature of a headphone (dark,bright ..etc) but doesn't mean anything about the technical capabilities of said headphone (at least the freq graph doesn't).

 

I know you owned the 1350, that's why I left the graph there (mine is collecting dust on the drawer too). 

Graphs help understand what's going on. I disagree there. Used in conjunction with first hand experiences they can really help "keep us honest with what we're hearing".  Couple the FR response with the distortion numbers and square wave responses, you can get a much better picture of what's going on. Waterfalls help with even more data. 

 

I do disagree with using graphs exclusively. But they can and do help.

 

I love this video, helps put "measurements" in general in perspective:

 

Richard Feynman...one of the greatest minds of our age stated:

 

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool."

 

The HE-6s may seem to have a bit deeper bass to a few because they have a lot more treble energy to contrast against the bass. But in actuality they don't go as deep in absolute terms. Very similar contrast used in the video.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 4/22/13 at 8:24pm
post #229 of 405
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Originally Posted by Dr. Roberts View Post

Listening to the 6 through a tubed high-end linestage paired with a tubed high-end speaker amp and with a TOTL hi-rez source is an exquisite listening experience.
That's pretty much it, but my gungnir is very weak to the rest of the chain wink.gif
post #230 of 405

The Gungnir isn't that weak of a link. I read a pretty good shootout recently, and if you dig an analog sounding DAC this one punches well above its weight. It also synergises with the HE6 very well.

post #231 of 405
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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

Well, the measurements I don't really trust to be honest...either that or they're being misinterpreted. The LCD2 looks like it has deeper extension than the HE6 at first glance on the graphs (Innerfidelity), but the HE6 had way more force down low. Definitely the deepest most speaker-like bass I've heard from a headphone. The LCD2 was nothing in comparison. The difference wasn't subtle.

 

The HE6 also scale much higher than the LCD2. If we're using these same measurements to "prove" that the LCD3 has better extension than the HE6, then it holds no value for me. I can offer reasons for discrepancies in the measurements but I'd be speculating.

 

Count me in.  I think measurements are subjective objective.  Far to many different measurements for the same headphone to be pure facts - to much verity in these measurements.  

 

Also HE-6 measurements are skewed when taking on a headphone amp that can't drive them to their optimal performance.  The LCD-3 have a celling - the HE-6 scales very well and high.  

 

My F1J / PWD2 / HE-6 rig is the best rig I've heard short of a 009 rig.  

post #232 of 405

Having both HE-6 and LCD-2 Rev.2 (and having had LCD-3 also), with the HE-6 connected to a dedicated (integrated) amp and having replaced stockcable by Entreq Konstantin.... Yes, you have to do a lot for getting HE-6 sounds at it's best :-), music has real impact (pressure) and body. I have difficulties in taking HE-6 of my head. This is how music is meant to sound! Heavenly!!! But ofcourse.... that's for my ears.
 

post #233 of 405
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Originally Posted by PAM005 View Post

Having both HE-6 and LCD-2 Rev.2 (and having had LCD-3 also), with the HE-6 connected to a dedicated (integrated) amp and having replaced stockcable by Entreq Konstantin.... Yes, you have to do a lot for getting HE-6 sounds at it's best :-), music has real impact (pressure) and body. I have difficulties in taking HE-6 of my head. This is how music is meant to sound! Heavenly!!! But ofcourse.... that's for my ears.
 

 

Could you say something about how the HE6 and T1 compare? I have the T1 and used to have the HE-500, and I think I'm really looking for something in between (to my ears, the T1s air and openness and the HE-500s warmer midrange and punchier bass).

post #234 of 405

The HE-6 is my favorite headphone.  The T1 is like #4 or #5

post #235 of 405

For me difference between T1 and HE-6 is huge, I do use T1 as a tool to listen to music and it's recording and with HE-6 you really listen to music. It's more a total experience! So I think when you've HE-6 you hardly listen to HE-500 anymore. But as you'll allready know, investing in HE-6 is only interesting when amping is OK. Otherwise invest in better cable with HE-500 (in case you use stock cable).
 

post #236 of 405
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Originally Posted by PAM005 View Post

For me difference between T1 and HE-6 is huge, I do use T1 as a tool to listen to music and it's recording and with HE-6 you really listen to music. It's more a total experience! So I think when you've HE-6 you hardly listen to HE-500 anymore. But as you'll allready know, investing in HE-6 is only interesting when amping is OK. Otherwise invest in better cable with HE-500 (in case you use stock cable).
 

Funny I had both the T1s and HE-6s (and really liked both), but I sold my HE-6s long before the T1s. Main reasons were lack of comfort and the way more treble energy from 6kHz up to 10kHz. Does the T1 have a treble spike? Yep, but I found the lone spike at 9-10kHz a lot less obtrusive on the T1s than the wider range on the HE-6s. Overall, their tone was fairly similar, but driving them really requires totally different amping solutions. T1s sound best from a really good OTL tube amp (like the WA2) and the HE-6s best from the speaker taps of a Class A speaker amp with a lot of power (and current).

post #237 of 405

Looking at your gear I think you made the right descission to sell HE-6. I think you prefered LCD-3 over HE-6. I also had both and I thought I had to made a discission which one to keep. I did decide to sell LCD-3 because I did already have LCD-2 for the Audeze soundsignature. Was this the best discission? I don't know :-), but what i do know is I like listening to HE-6. And for reason I did describe before. Maybe in future I want to add Stax 009, but in Europe prices are that high (euro 4.899,= is about USD 6.287,=)..... It's keeping me away from buying it :-(
 

post #238 of 405

Aw man - when I had the LCD-2.2 and the LCD-3 at the same time.  It was no contest at all.  The LCD-2.2 had to go.  

 

So why did you keep the LCD-2 over the LCD-3?

post #239 of 405
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Originally Posted by PAM005 View Post

Looking at your gear I think you made the right descission to sell HE-6. I think you prefered LCD-3 over HE-6. I also had both and I thought I had to made a discission which one to keep. I did decide to sell LCD-3 because I did already have LCD-2 for the Audeze soundsignature. Was this the best discission? I don't know :-), but what i do know is I like listening to HE-6. And for reason I did describe before. Maybe in future I want to add Stax 009, but in Europe prices are that high (euro 4.899,= is about USD 6.287,=)..... It's keeping me away from buying it :-(
 

 

check pricejapan.com(Price to Europe EUR 2,584), 3-4 months wait time though

post #240 of 405
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

The HE-6 is my favorite headphone.  The T1 is like #4 or #5

 

x2...except replace HE6 with the HD800 most of the time. HE6 second/first depending on mood.

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