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post #1 of 328
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This is my starting Point 

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2580461&Sku=B69-1412

 

A few pages down, you can see my end point, Bowei has taken a screen shot from HP with the price they charged to build our Rig, and I'll get one from Dell [Alien Ware] with their price! 


Edited by Mshenay - 5/19/12 at 3:04pm
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HP's have less quality but it is almost there. Yes the CPU is better but upgrading the CPU to that from the 3550 is not a lot.

 

Granted you will start seeing higher powered rigs but just know that they look like crap inside and burn and die like the crap they are.

post #3 of 328
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Indeed, your spot on. I have a good number of people tell me to get AsRock for SLI/CX but in all honesty, if I wanted to do that I would be buying a system on a whole other level. 

 

Still though [this is for my mom more than anything]

 

Let's take a look at other gaming pc's at the same price as mine 

 

 

Warning: Alienware $1008 With Monitor (Click to show)

 

  • Alienware X51
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spacer.gif Date   5/19/2012 3:55:39 PM Central Standard Time
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spacer.gif Catalog Number   29 Retail 19
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spacer.gif Catalog Number / Description   Product Code   Qty   SKU   Id
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Alienware X51
  AAX51H   1   [225-2461]   1
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Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64Bit, English
  W7HP61E   1   [331-4881][331-5149][420-9691][421-0092][421-4652][421-7589]   11
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Intel® Core™ i3-2120 3.3GHz (3MB Cache) with Hyper-Threading Technology
  AI32120   1   [317-8911]   2
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6GB (1x2GB, 1x4GB) DDR3 at 1333MHz
  6G1332D   1   [317-8904]   3
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Slot-Loading Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
  DVDRWRX   1   [318-1480]   16
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DELL UltraSharp™ U2212HMC 21.5" Monitor
  U2212   1   [320-2733]   5
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No Keyboard
  NKYBD   1   [331-6350]   4
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No Mouse
  NM   1   [330-6517]   12
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Matte Stealth Black with Dark Chrome Accents
  MSB   1   [331-5150]   9
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1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 545
  GT545   1   [320-2928]   6
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1TB SATA 3Gb/s (7,200RPM) 32MB Cache
  1TBS   1   [342-3806]   8
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DW1502 Wireless-N WLAN Half Mini-Card
  DW1502   1   [430-4478]   19
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Adobe® Acrobat® Reader
  AAREAD   1   [410-0547]   15
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AlienFX Color, Quasar Blue
  AXCQSBL   1   [313-8750]   14
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Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed
  STMSW   1   [421-1443]   73
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1 Year Basic Service Plan
  S1OS   1   [421-1721][906-5260][935-6657][939-3911][950-3337][950-9797]   29
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240W External Power Supply
  240WPS   1   [331-5844]   20
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... let's analyze why the Mshenay/Bowei/Hybrid MONSTER, is better and cheaper

 

Notice the crummy little i3 processor for starters, next take a look at the 6gb of 1333mhz ram, in addition please note the HDD with only 32mb cache, also take note of the Last Gen gfx card... I couldn't even find a price for it!

 

Now let's see what it would cost to buy my system from Alien Ware! 

 

Well at $1208. I can get a Sandy Bridge i5, and 8gbs of 1333mhz ram, were getting close ^^ 

 

There's still the last gen Gpu in that $1200 one, as well as the slower HDD, well I went to the Auroa unit which starts at about $1500, it was a +63 dollar upgrade for the HD 6870 So it's about $1800 for a Quad core i7 with 8gb's of 1600mmhz Ram and that HD 6870 card, the only real improvement dell offers is that i7 Quad, 

 

[OMG I got a guy on LIVE CHAT TROLOLOLOLO time, I'm sure he'll catch on to me after a while but he's a good sport for offering his assitance]

 

So far, Alienware is about $800 more for the system we've built [-200 since I'm sure that CPU is expensive] 

 

Next is Digital Storm [I might actually post this some where elese later] 

 

They have an i5 3570 Ivy Bridge set for about 1299, much better than the AlienWare by far, and it has a much nicer Gpu [nicer than the one I'm getting]

 

So it's better than Alein Ware,

 

SO the point is, at the most exetreme my bare bones is a $750 pc that I could have paid around $1200 for. Hopefully my mom will get off my tail now -.-

 

Lastly, my step dad has Silver Thermal Paste [in fact I think he;s got the stuff you recommneded as it looks farmillar] 

 

My chat with teh Dell guy was enjoyable, he's knew a good bit

post #4 of 328
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

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HP's have less quality but it is almost there. Yes the CPU is better but upgrading the CPU to that from the 3550 is not a lot.

 

Granted you will start seeing higher powered rigs but just know that they look like crap inside and burn and die like the crap they are.

Yea, I say we should make this thread the BUY THIS not THAT, with pictures. Yea buying from HP DELL and other reputable places is gonna cost you like $1500

 

Buying from paces like iBuyPower CyperPowerPc and Digital Storm will cost you about $1200

post #5 of 328
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Sure, and I'm sticking with the Gigabyte. I won't be doing SLI/CX, when I decide I need to or want to then it's time for a new PC lol

 

That's good then. I do like sexy Asrock but gigabyte as you see from the reviews is a solid board and has a solid reputation!

 

Not necessarily, at the going price getting another 6870 next year for $120 used would make your gaming machine SING!

 

Many paste's are silver, check to see if it is arctic Silver.

 

 

Oh and here is some experience. 

 

Mark down your temperatures. Idle and load for CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Further down the road you will(most) get to a point where the temps are making you a bit queasy and you need to refer back to when you first got it to see if it's too high or what happend or if it's supposed to be that hot. Happens to all of us really.

 

What does that mean? For me my 5770 at one time hit 70C. Nothing bad for GPU temperature but I clearly remember my 5770 being so cool. I wish I remembered what the stock temperature was. Anyway fast forward a week and I completely disassemble my 5770's plastics and sink and voila. There was so much crap in the fans and airway. You won't or may not see it but take a flash light and shine it through from the exhaust to the fan. If you can't see the light perfectly all the way through.....there is some crap in there. Get something and pull that crap out. 

 

And then after it's out make sure that your fan works. Hairs get pulled in sometimes and get coiled around. While removing stuff you may tighten the hair so check if it free spins.

 

After that, since you removed the GPU from the heatsink and everything you know need to clean and re apply the gel...oh goodie :) Go to the workshop. Make sure not to do ANY of this on carpet and without a wrist band. With the GPU NOT PLUGGED IN use alcohol and a Q tip and some hopefully not very linty towels and wipe the paste away(this works for CPU as well) wipe the bottom of the sink as well. Then follow the instructions I gave you on CPU paste installation on the GPu AND THIS TIME use the artic silver paste. The standard paste is just standard and cheap. Works decent but meh. Many enthusiasts do this the first day and change the past but you don't need to. Anyway after I did that. My system was so fricking cool running it wasn't even funny. The 5770 is one of the most low powered and cool GPU's that's popular on the market. It is actually one of the most owned GPU's at the moment. I had it overclocked and gaming. And it was only 40C!!!!! Holy !!!!CRAP!!

post #6 of 328
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

 

Oh and here is some experience. 

 

Mark down your temperatures. Idle and load for CPU, motherboard, and GPU. Further down the road you will(most) get to a point where the temps are making you a bit queasy and you need to refer back to when you first got it to see if it's too high or what happend or if it's supposed to be that hot. Happens to all of us really.

Good point I do need tips on maintance and cleaning for my new system, We've got some non carpeted area's in our house as well that would serve as a good place to clean it from time to time. Or I could just get a big Plastic mat on my floor so avoid the static when cleaning and yea a wrist band is a great thing to have! I'll proably get that Artict Stuff soon, [Post the link here again]


Edited by Mshenay - 5/19/12 at 3:10pm
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tempest410n-1.png Intel Z77 Core i5/i7 Configurator
http://www.ibuypower.com
Case 1 x NZXT Tempest 410 Gaming Case-Black
Processor 1 x Intel® Core™ i5-3550 Processor (4x 3.30GHz/6MB L3 Cache)
Motherboard 1 x ASRock Z77 Extreme4 -- 2x PCI-E 3.0 x16, 4x USB 3.0
Memory 1 x 8 GB [2 GB X4] DDR3-1600 Memory Module-Corsair or Major Brand
Video Card 1 x AMD Radeon HD 6870 - 1GB-Single Card
Case Lighting None
Power Supply 1 x 600 Watt - Standard
Processor Cooling 1 x Liquid CPU Cooling System [SOCKET-1155]-Standard 120mm Fan
Video Card Brand 1 x Major Brand Powered by AMD or NVIDIA
Primary Hard Drive 1 x 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 32M Cache, 7200 RPM, 6.0Gb/s-Single Drive
Data Hard Drive None
2nd Optical Drive None
Optical Drive 1 x 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black
Sound Card 1 x 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Speaker System None
Network Card 1 x Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
Monitor 1 x 24" LCD 1920x1080 -- (23.6 viewable)
Keyboard 1 x iBUYPOWER USB Keyboard
Mouse 1 x iBUYPOWER Internet Mouse
Operating System 1 x None- Pre-formatted Hard Drive Only
Warranty 1 x 3 Year Standard Warranty Service
Rush Service 1 x Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee)-No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days
Video Camera None
Meter Display None
Flash Media Reader / Writer None
2nd Monitor None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion None
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive None
Monitor Cable 1 x 15 ft. DVI to DVI Cable (DVI-D Dual Link, resolution up to 2048x1536 )
USB Expansion None
Intel Smart Response Technology None
Case Engraving Service None
Subtotal $1,125.00

 

Yeah that's bascically it. They bascically charge you $225 approx to build your rig

 

 

and then $125 to ship it

 

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So $1250 for the same thing and you don't get to learn how to build it and get the joy of doing so.

post #8 of 328
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Exactly, save money have the fun of doing it yourself! Plus it's good to develop habits of checking and cleaning things. Maintance is the key to keeping any big purchase for a while q.Q 

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post #10 of 328
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Originally Posted by Mshenay View Post

Exactly, save money have the fun of doing it yourself! Plus it's good to develop habits of checking and cleaning things. Maintance is the key to keeping any big purchase for a while q.Q 

I forgot the OS for that build. It's $104 for the OS from them. So make that $1350 now :)

post #11 of 328
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

I forgot the OS for that build. It's $104 for the OS from them. So make that $1350 now :)

Indeed you did, why don't go also go ahead an repost your directions for applying thermal paste to the CPU/Heat sync while we are here as well as where you can find your Idle and Load temps

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I didnt watch the video's but don't go crazy on the Thermal paste. There are instructions all over the net but bascically get a pea size drop on the center of the CPU's metalic top. Not the sides. Right on the center. Then with a flat business card spread it around and smooth it. Get within about 2mm from the edge on all sides. To do this make it nice and equal so a little square shape so there is a space of about 4mm from the side on all sides of the square. Then slowly move the paste and expand it so it reaches the 2mm point from the edge. Going and aiming for the 2mm point right at the get go for newbs makes them overshoot and push it off the edges(personal experience). My experiene shows that first make it ready and level at 4mm from the edge and then move it to the 2mm mark. Then instal the cooler! :) If your pea size drop is too small squeze a tiny bit more onto the card but don't overshoot. A THIN layer but not too thin is enough. 

 

 

 

 

You need an external program to do that. Well...it's arguable but a program bascically. It may come with Gigabyte's suite but they are all over the net. Real Temp, speed fan, etc etc. 

post #13 of 328
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post

I didnt watch the video's but don't go crazy on the Thermal paste. There are instructions all over the net but bascically get a pea size drop on the center of the CPU's metalic top. Not the sides. Right on the center. Then with a flat business card spread it around and smooth it. Get within about 2mm from the edge on all sides. To do this make it nice and equal so a little square shape so there is a space of about 4mm from the side on all sides of the square. Then slowly move the paste and expand it so it reaches the 2mm point from the edge. Going and aiming for the 2mm point right at the get go for newbs makes them overshoot and push it off the edges(personal experience). My experiene shows that first make it ready and level at 4mm from the edge and then move it to the 2mm mark. Then instal the cooler! :) If your pea size drop is too small squeze a tiny bit more onto the card but don't overshoot. A THIN layer but not too thin is enough. 

 

 

 

 

You need an external program to do that. Well...it's arguable but a program bascically. It may come with Gigabyte's suite but they are all over the net. Real Temp, speed fan, etc etc. 

I've got a program call ed CPU-Z

 

and yea I'll watch the vids

post #14 of 328
building a computer is all color coordinated. so easy a monkey can do it. it's like legos for adults. what resolution do you plan on playing. just casual gaming? what do you want out of it? resolution and your preference is most important to get most out for your money.
post #15 of 328
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building a computer is all color coordinated. so easy a monkey can do it. it's like legos for adults. what resolution do you plan on playing. just casual gaming? what do you want out of it? resolution and your preference is most important to get most out for your money.

Hey rex good to see you,

 

1920 x 1080 is the max res of the Monitor I'm getting, I've only played at this res once and that was 2 years ago with an OLD dell Laptop and it was cool as crap! So once again 1920x1080 will be much nicer than my current 1024x768

 

I'll be a casual gamer really. I'd like the best gfx I can get in al honesty but as I've said my current system lags with lowest, and I once played Vindictus [on low] at 32 fps with a laptop... so anything that can run ANY game at 60+fps on low is meh, but to be able to run 1920x1080 at Mid Level+ is what I aim for [and I'm confident this set up will do just that]

 

 

BOWEI, the interwebs video suggests that you use the "grain of Rice - Pea" size method... the guy just put on the Artic Silver in a small dot then stuck his Heatsink RIGHT ontop, he said that since the artic Silver is on the liquid size gravity and Burn-ins will distribute just fine! 

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