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post #481 of 908

Thanks booth of you for your answers; and thanks for the link to http://toxic-cables.co.uk/

post #482 of 908
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Originally Posted by bmichels View Post

Hello. I meed your advice to built the best portable solution for My IPAD / iPhone.  I hope someone can help and I apology in advance for the "too many" questions here.


 
I intend to purchase a  CLASS/ALO Rx MK3 combo plus the appropriate Headphones.  But I also look at the SR71b as an alternative to the ALO rxMk3 !   And even at the ALO "Continental" !
 
As for headphone, I am looking at the LCD-2 (or 3) as main headphone, but I also will need a closed type headphone for use at the office for exemple
 
So... here are my questions :
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- Is there any advantage to use the LCD-2 on the ballanced output of the Mk3 when the Mk3 is driven by the CLASS through it's single ended imput ?  (same question for the SR71b:  
 
- Is there a "ballanced Class" coming soon ?   (stupid question, I know, but some rumors may have leaked somewhere...)
 
- I heard about a "single ended imput - to - ballanced output" circuit in the Sr71b ?   It true ?   Does the ALO Rx Mk3 has a similar circuit ? 
 
 
 
- What do I need to order if I want the LCD-2 with a very good "upgraded" cable and being able to use it ballanced (on the Mk3/SR71b) BUT ALSO  single ended (on a regular amp) ?  It is possible to have an ALO cable + an adapter instead of 2 cables (ballanced & Single ended). Which part N° I need to order ?
 
 
 
- I also need to have a "close type" headphone to use when sould leakeage is not possible (office....).  Which close type do you recommand ? Will it pair well with the Rx Mk3 ? ALO is offering the Edition8 with an upgraded cable,  has someone tested this headphone with a portable set-up ? 
 
- Is the LCD-3 really better than the LCD-2 for such a portable set-up ? does it justify the added costs ? isn't it "too analytical" on such a portable set-up ?  Wich one you recommend with the RxMk3 : LCD-2, LCD-3 or GS1000 ? 
 
 
 
- I am still very tempted to order also a Continental to have access to this "tune sound".  Will it also pair well with the LCD-2/3 and Edition 8 ? Will the sound be very different ? 
 
 
 
- I already have some Westone ES3x custom IEM.  I read few times that the Rx Mk3 may be too powerfull for those IEM and therefore need to be used at very low volume setting (3 oclock, even with "low gain") and that at this low volume setting, there is some channel un-ballance and some noise.  Is the Mk3 really appropriate with Custom IEM ? Isn't the SR71b offering "blacker background noise" at this low volume setting ? or the "continental" may be ? 
 
 
- I know that with the iPAD I can "extract" the digital signal using the CCK, but... I read somewhere "
IT MAKES MORE SENSE to use a digital dock, like CLASS to get the digital signal out of the iPad with less jitter than the CCK".   -->  What do you think about this supposed added Jitter coming from the CCK compared to a SOLO ?  (I know that with a CCK, I will need an external DAC, so this is still an additional box (iBASSO ballanced DAC ? 
tongue_smile.gif  ) or...I forget the SR71b/ALO Rx and find a very good DAC/AMP ?  
 
 
Thanks in advance for any answer and VERY sorry for all those too many questions
 
Bertrand MICHELS

If you're going with LCD-2, get the RSA71B but for LCD-3s the RxIII is the better amp.
I've never used balanced input but balanced output is a must.
I'm using Moon Audio Silver Dragon cable adapter system and Norse Audio.
All, IMHO, etc, etc.
post #483 of 908
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Originally Posted by Kremer930 View Post

I was lucky enough to have a DX100, CLAS, Alo RX3 plus my usual DT1350 and JH16's as well as a pair of HD25's to play with this afternoon for an hour. I was very excited and knew that I had some of the best portable components available today in my possession. I also expected my CLAS RX3 to take a beating....but that wasn't to be.
I listened to the HD25, JH16 and DT1350 all in single ended mode out of the DX100 as well as single ended from the RX3 powering the DX and also single ended with the CLAS combo providing signal.
The DT's sounded thin and harsh from the DX. The darker sounding HD25 tamed the sound and matched better IMO. The smooth top end on my JH also reduced the glitchy top end of the DX.
Next up I ran the line out from the DX to the RX3. The size of the RX3 matches nearly perfectly to the DX. It is almost the same footprint as the RX and CLAS. I felt that the RX added more musicality to the DX. The line out level of the DX is significantly less than the CLAS too which meant that I had to run medium gain for all but the JH. The sound stage was broadened with the use of the RX and bass impact improved.
Next I ran the CLAS RX3 combo. Compared to this the DX sounded thin and particularly harsh in the treble. It is a bit like comparing a high end turntable against a regular CD player. Music had significantly more body, bass was fuller and the treble was much smoother.
Stepping the RX3 up to balanced output only lifted the difference further by adding slightly wider soundstage and improved bass attack. There is also perhaps slightly more midrange detail and texture too.
I listened to two tracks when running this comparison. Metallica's Enter the Sandman and Lana Del Ray, Summertime Sadness. Both were high res 24 bit on the DX and were ALAC on the iPod. Metallica sounded horrible from the DX to the DT1350. It was too much treble energy. The HD25 toned the detail down to a more bareable level.
I can remember reading a lone review of the DX where it was definitely not glowing. Now after listening to the DX myself I can agree with his comments. I think it was Anaxilus but I am not sure. Excuse me if I am wrong.
I spoke to my friend who was keen to hear how his DX compared. I told him that it was not even close and gave him the details. A possible saving grace for the DX is that it only has about 4 hours on it. The RX3 would have about the same. The CLAS, iPod, and all cans/ iems are all well broken in.
I am certainly not looking at selling my CLAS or the RX3 any time soon!


What firmware was this on for the DX100? 1.2.3 sounds like garbage. 1.1.7 is where the sound is at.

post #484 of 908

Just to clarify RE: DX100. The line out is extremely powerful, but its output is controlled via the volume buttons. Push to 100% to achieve close to line-level output. 

 

But the RX3 outclasses the DX100 in a number of areas, overall power, control, and volume at high levels being one. The RX has always been either the highest performing portable amp on the market or one of the highest performing amps. That hasn't changed. Fortunately, the DX100 has a good line out system that works well (as noted earlier) with the RX3 as the two share a similar footprint.

post #485 of 908
Our two best portable set up to date

My set up left : Alo RX 3 B + Fostex Hp p1 + iPhone 4 S

My friend set up right : Alo RX 3 B + Alo Class + iPhone 4 S


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post #486 of 908
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

Just to clarify RE: DX100. The line out is extremely powerful, but its output is controlled via the volume buttons. Push to 100% to achieve close to line-level output. 

 

But the RX3 outclasses the DX100 in a number of areas, overall power, control, and volume at high levels being one. The RX has always been either the highest performing portable amp on the market or one of the highest performing amps. That hasn't changed. Fortunately, the DX100 has a good line out system that works well (as noted earlier) with the RX3 as the two share a similar footprint.


What about in comparison to the Triad L3? I hear conflicting comments regarding the two.

post #487 of 908
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Originally Posted by rudi0504 View Post

Our two best portable set up to date
My set up left : Alo RX 3 B + Fostex Hp p1 + iPhone 4 S
My friend set up right : Alo RX 3 B + Alo Class + iPhone 4 S
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These pictures are what I call A bundle of joy.biggrin.gif
post #488 of 908
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


What about in comparison to the Triad L3? I hear conflicting comments regarding the two.

I have heard my friend triad L3 , Alo RX 3 B detail and soundstage is better than L3

L 3. Separation is not as good as my Alo RX 3 b

And the battery life from L3 is only 2 - 3 hours
post #489 of 908

Hmm how about compatibility with sensitive IEMs? Is the volume pot really good for low volume listening without channel imbalance? Is there any hiss?
 

post #490 of 908
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Originally Posted by Audiowood View Post

These pictures are what I call A bundle of joy.biggrin.gif

You are right , thank you

Joy for the sound quality , but it is not joy for my pocket biggrin.gif
post #491 of 908

I have an L3 here at office. I'll try to get some good comparisons up as soon as possible. Also, the newest FiQuest. 

 

Still, both of those amps are more than twice the size of the ALO Rx3. In fact, you are comparing a completely portable amp to two very large, transportable amps. There will be disparities in output pressure and at points, quality. The RCA input for the L3 is a big advantage, but so is balanced for the RX3. We are talking about two very different amplifiers. 

 

Anyway, I'm amazed by the class of amp that has been brought up in this thread. We are talking about splitting kings' hairs here, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post


What about in comparison to the Triad L3? I hear conflicting comments regarding the two.

post #492 of 908
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

I have an L3 here at office. I'll try to get some good comparisons up as soon as possible. Also, the newest FiQuest. 

 

Still, both of those amps are more than twice the size of the ALO Rx3. In fact, you are comparing a completely portable amp to two very large, transportable amps. There will be disparities in output pressure and at points, quality. The RCA input for the L3 is a big advantage, but so is balanced for the RX3. We are talking about two very different amplifiers. 

 

Anyway, I'm amazed by the class of amp that has been brought up in this thread. We are talking about splitting kings' hairs here, nothing less.


Thanks Shigzeo. I look forward to your impressions. I figured these amps were more so comparable due to the price range. Didn't know the L3 was double the size. Unless you are referring to the L3 in the wood case or are you referring to the metal case? Although for me having very good volume control (especially with sensitive IEMs) at low volumes is a must. I also hate hiss so that is another important factor for me. My unit is about the same size as the DX100, just marginally bigger. Thanks once again.


Edited by lee730 - 10/7/12 at 2:02am
post #493 of 908

My L3 is the metal case version and is more than double the size of the ALO RXIII. There is no way you could fit it in pair of trousers. Even attached to an iPhone, the RXIII can fit into a large pocket. If you're a hipster (or simply not into baggy trousers), it its better left in your leather 70's bag. 

 

The RXIII has a very good channel separation even single ended despite being fed by a 3,5mm stereo signal. There is hiss, which is a shame, but the volume control (my unit isn't from the first batch; it may be from the third batch) is perfect for even sensitive earphones. The older, digital volume RX models were 100% perfect becasue volume was matched perfectly from the start. This is the only area that the new RX falls behind its prior generations.

post #494 of 908

Sounds good. Hiss would be the deal breaker for me. Especially when it comes to amps it must have a black background. I've made a compromise with the Studio V3rd ANV but could not do so on an amp. I agree with you on the portability factor. I definitely don't intend on using the L3 while out and about. It is strictly gonna be for my desktop or if I'm gonna be stationary for a long while I'll keep it on hand. Would probably set the Guinness would record for largest trousers if I was to intend on pocketing it :P. Unfortunately I'll have to wait for a proper charger for the L3. Also really looking forward to getting a good PSU to get the full potential out of the amp. Do you think you could post a picture of the MKIII along side the DX100? I thought it was quite a large amp still (compared to UHA6 MKII etc).
 


Edited by lee730 - 10/7/12 at 3:46am
post #495 of 908
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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

Hmm how about compatibility with sensitive IEMs? Is the volume pot really good for low volume listening without channel imbalance? Is there any hiss?

 

The latest batch from Alo RX 3 B has stil very Low hiss compare to My Friend Alo Rx 3 B

Earler batch has lauder hiss.

My Alo Rx 3 B hiss dosen t disturb Me

It has No CHANEL imbalance In Low volume listening.

It is very good compatibility With sensitive iem like fit ear 334 and Suherman SE 535 le.
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