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Stax SR 207 (or 202) compared to Beyerdynamic DT 990 Pro

post #1 of 22
5/11/12 at 6:40pm
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Hiya

 

I was wondering if anyone can tell me how a stax sr 207 or 202 (older model) compare to the beyerdynamic DT 770/880/990's

 

Also one of my most important questions i have is the bass, is it able to produce a thicker/deeper/more detailed bass than the DT's?

 

I have the DT 990 Pro, which is the better headphone in my arsenal at the moment. Im looking for a headphone mainly for movies that should produce a better sound than my studio headphones. If anyone recommends something else than the stax sr 207, im open for suggestions if its in the same price range

 

Thanks in advance for the input :)

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post #2 of 22
5/11/12 at 6:45pm
Stats will not produce bass on the level of a dynamic (especially a v-curve or bassy dynamic) - it's a much different experience. You will not get more bass impact or "slam" with a stat.

Basically you will gain detail more or less across the board, as well as speed, and clarity. But you will lose "impact" and "slam" along with resonance and much "coloration."

Hope that helps. redface.gif
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post #3 of 22
5/11/12 at 8:45pm
I dunno, when you look at the measurements you see dynamics rolling off in the deep bass pretty severely and THD numbers spiking well in excess of 1% in the deep bass. 'Stats don't do that. Mind you, orthos are even better in terms of deep bass, at least on paper. Sonically, I've heard 'stats that were bass-light and 'stats that were bass heavy to the point of overpowering, and some 'stats can slam just as hard as any dynamic.

The SR-202 however is pretty bass-light. Most headphones based on the Lambda frame are. Certainly, you're not going to get the same level of slam as the DT770. However, assuming the source is good, it will be far better in most other areas.
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post #4 of 22
5/13/12 at 9:06am
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Hmmm thanks for the input .. What would be a good cinematic headphone to deliver that deep slam and punch from deep sub basses?

 

I am eager to try de DT770 but I already got the 990 so im afraid they might sound too much alike.. Looking for something new and different now :)

 

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I also read the Grado GS 1000i have great bass but they cost about twice as what i was planning to spend :(


Edited by Hoax - 5/13/12 at 9:08am
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post #5 of 22
5/13/12 at 5:32pm
Denon AH-D2000/5000 perhaps?
Ultrasone HFI-2400?
Kenwood KH-K1000?

Something with lots of bass, and good sub-bass/LF response. Grado GS-1000 has good bass for music, but it doesn't dig down to 20hz.
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post #6 of 22
5/24/12 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by obobskivich View Post

Denon AH-D2000/5000 perhaps?
Ultrasone HFI-2400?
Kenwood KH-K1000?
Something with lots of bass, and good sub-bass/LF response. Grado GS-1000 has good bass for music, but it doesn't dig down to 20hz.

 

Hmm all these headphones are in the 125-200 US/Euro price range.. Im not sure if they would be a big improvement over my DT's. Im looking for something High End around 1000 USD/Euro

 

The headphones itself doesnt have to sound bassy, I actually prefer a natural sound but when there is bass I want the headphones able to deliver top notch deep and rich basses / slams

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post #7 of 22
5/24/12 at 7:48am

Try an orthodynamic, They're HEAVY-hitters. smily_headphones1.gif

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post #8 of 22
5/24/12 at 8:44am
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Try an orthodynamic, They're HEAVY-hitters. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Is this a technology still used today? I only found very old looking headphones when searching for more info :)

 

Are there any specific brands that still make these today?

 

Thanks for you guys input so far :)

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post #9 of 22
5/24/12 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by Hoax View Post

 

Is this a technology still used today? I only found very old looking headphones when searching for more info :)

 

Are there any specific brands that still make these today?

 

Thanks for you guys input so far :)

 T50RP is one of the best if not the best Ortho. Yes it's really old, but there are plenty mods out there you can play with, or you can buy a fully modded T50RP named Thunderpants which runs about $600 new. 

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post #10 of 22
5/24/12 at 10:53am
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Wow those headphones look awesome (especially some custom thunderpants I saw) .. The only thing though, they're closed headphones, I will be using a surround source most of the times so a big soundstage would be really important for me and im afraid my best choice would have to be open headphones.
 

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post #11 of 22
5/24/12 at 11:12am
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Wow those headphones look awesome (especially some custom thunderpants I saw) .. The only thing though, they're closed headphones, I will be using a surround source most of the times so a big soundstage would be really important for me and im afraid my best choice would have to be open headphones.
 

 Yes, most open cans have larger sound stage compared to closed, but you can't judge it until you try it. The King of dynamic is R10 which is closed, and you can find many reviews comparing its sound stage to that of the HD800. I have W1000X(closed) and K702(open), to be honest.. the difference of sound stage is large, but that's still only about 10~20%. To create the surround sound effect, the most important part is not how large the soundstage is but how well the imaging of the can is. Also, you have to remember... closed or open.. the drivers are about the same distance from your ear... so it's logical to think the difference is not big numerically, but of course... some times a 5% difference is quite large in HIFI... 

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post #12 of 22
5/24/12 at 11:19am

I don't think you'll get much more sub-bass than the DT990 out of an open can at a lower price point.  If you expand your budget you can get the HE-400 or HE-500.  

 

If you really want low bass for that price point you'll have to look into closed headphones.  D2000 sound somewhat similar to DT990 but offer a phat sub-bass. 

 

Edit, I misread that 1000 as a 100, so you definitely have the budget to look for an HE-500 or LCD-2.  Basically if you want the best bass extension/impact from an open headphone you're going to want one of the higher end planar magnetics.


Edited by TMRaven - 5/24/12 at 11:26am
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post #13 of 22
5/24/12 at 11:47am
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Thanks for the tips guys, Will check out the other options, the LCD-2 also got recommended to me by someone else will go and find some more info on these
 

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post #14 of 22
5/24/12 at 11:51am
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Thanks for the tips guys, Will check out the other options, the LCD-2 also got recommended to me by someone else will go and find some more info on these
 

 

although sound quality is the most important thing... but you can't forget comfort... LCD-2 is 550g.. that's more than 1 pound on your head.... I stayed away from the planer-magnetic just for this reason... they are 70~90% heavier than coil dynamic headphones (e.g. DT880)...

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post #15 of 22
5/24/12 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by e19650826 View Post

 

although sound quality is the most important thing... but you can't forget comfort... LCD-2 is 550g.. that's more than 1 pound on your head.... I stayed away from the planer-magnetic just for this reason... they are 70~90% heavier than coil dynamic headphones (e.g. DT880)...

 

Yeah, the guy who recommended me the LCD-2 said they were really heavy but that he got used of it after a while. I guess if i went for the LCD-2 and the weight is really distracting me from the listening experience I will just send them back within a week

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