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post #6751 of 9358
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

Pardon while I disagree....Mike's mod is a great thing for many people. It is not useful for me. I have also found the SW's to be a terrific pairing with the HD800's. I would point out that I consider cables to be a final frosting. They are not the be all for sound by themselves. However, as part of a chain they can be that last bit that really makes the sound complete.

If you are finding fault with HD800's, "Look to thy chain". I am running a north of $10K chain that took a lot of time to perfect to my tastes and it is wonderful. All the elements do their part. Weakness anywhere will be identified.

So....Thanks for your opinion, that is what we do here, however, your experience does not define everyone else's....
My friend..i partly have to disagree with u also...u forget that u have a rig thats north of being warm sounding with ur carly..ofcourse a silver widow will do fine then with a hd800.. But a more neutral sounding (ss) dont...in that case the silver will over accentuate what was mentioned before for the hd800... But i agree...its the used configuration that makes the hd800 sound more brighter or less... And a cable is only in a little part responsible for the soundsignature....

Sooo..if u have a darker/warmer sounding rig..go for the excellent SW, if u have an amp thats more neutral or colder...best way is to get a good copper cable..like the BW 22awg (especially the 8wire) or the copper venom rc4.

Question..did u actually try a black widow or copper venom with ur rig? Just to compare to ur silver widow?

Dont get me wrong..the SW is a top cable!!!!!! With the righ rig/headphone it sounds wonderful.

All imho ofcourse biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 6/14/14 at 10:02am
post #6752 of 9358
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
 
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

Pardon while I disagree....Mike's mod is a great thing for many people. It is not useful for me. I have also found the SW's to be a terrific pairing with the HD800's. I would point out that I consider cables to be a final frosting. They are not the be all for sound by themselves. However, as part of a chain they can be that last bit that really makes the sound complete.

If you are finding fault with HD800's, "Look to thy chain". I am running a north of $10K chain that took a lot of time to perfect to my tastes and it is wonderful. All the elements do their part. Weakness anywhere will be identified.

So....Thanks for your opinion, that is what we do here, however, your experience does not define everyone else's....
My friend..i partly have to disagree with u also...u forget that u have a rig thats north of being warm sounding with ur carly..ofcourse a silver widow will do fine then with a hd800.. But a more neutral sounding (ss) dont...in that case the silver will over accentuate what was mentioned before for the hd800... But i agree...its the used configuration that makes the hd800 sound more brighter or less... And a cable is only in a little part responsible for the soundsignature....

Sooo..if u have a darker/warmer sounding rig..go for the excellent SW, if u have an amp thats neutral or colder...best way is to get a good copper cable..like the BW 22awg (especially the 8wire) or the copper venom rc4.

Question..did u actually try a black widow or copper venom with ur rig? Just to compare to ur silver widow?

Dont get me wrong..the SW is a top cable!!!!!! With the righ rig/headphone it sounds wonderful.

All imho ofcourse biggrin.gif

Paulo, I have not had the pleasure of trying the BW. Maybe a Christmas present for myself this year? :D

 

My post position was more addressing the tone of the post than to argue one cable's merits above another. The chain is the thing. In mine, the SW fits beautifully. In another, not so much. I have never found the HD800's to be the overly bright HP some people post about. To be fair, I am generally running them on a strong tube rig. I will say they also sound great on my Geek Out 1000 (Review forthcoming) when I travel, so I am a satisfied Sennheiser fan. Perhaps I prefer a brighter sound signature? 

 

I have tried all of the Audeze's, Beyer's, HiFi Man's, etc and there are many flavor's out there (I did like the LCD-X as another flavor). You cannot lump them all together and say one is Best for all. For yourself, certainly. 

 

The SW's are a wonderful addition to my JH16's....They really tame the bass. I love the tight control they provide.

 

Nice to have choices!

 

:beerchug:

 

Eric

post #6753 of 9358

I have owned SW, BW and 18 AWG Scorpion for my 2 HD800s.

 

I don't find SW bright with my HD800 but gives much more details as well as better space than the BW and Scorpion.  As someone in the previous thread had mentioned it depends very much on the rigs your have.

 

I also have a paired of LCD-X which is connected the SW.  They are perfect matches and the SW brings out more HF details than the stock cable.   


Edited by inter voice - 6/14/14 at 10:15am
post #6754 of 9358
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post
 

Pardon while I disagree....Mike's mod is a great thing for many people. It is not useful for me. I have also found the SW's to be a terrific pairing with the HD800's. I would point out that I consider cables to be a final frosting. They are not the be all for sound by themselves. However, as part of a chain they can be that last bit that really makes the sound complete.

 

If you are finding fault with HD800's, "Look to thy chain". I am running a north of $10K chain that took a lot of time to perfect to my tastes and it is wonderful. All the elements do their part. Weakness anywhere will be identified.

 

So....Thanks for your opinion, that is what we do here, however, your experience does not define everyone elsonic tastese's....

 

Sorry,  I never  said  that my experience should define anybody else's. You said it,  I simply related: my experience and my opinion, which is of course biased by my own sonic taste, all in the hope that it may help others.

 

I do agree that all the links in the chain matter.  We all know that audio gears are not perfect.  So the ultimate goal may not be to put together the best, most transparent or most expensive components together but rather to find a combination of components that can compensate for each other flaws and accentuate their strength if needed.  The resulting combination should deliver a highly musical sound as defined by the seeker's taste.

 

With the HD800, my favorite headphones so far, I have tried a combination of about  4 to 5  different DACs, over a dozen amps (SS, hybrids and tubes; details in my profiles) and countless wires such as the OCC Silver (Frank's Silver Widow and Silver Poison), Silver-coated OCC copper, OFC, UPC, OCC Copper (Frank's Copper Venom and Moon's V1 orV2, I cannot recall).  

 

That was how I was able to deduce that the tendencies toward sibilance and stridency  was inherent to the HD800, probably the way the the manufacturer voiced it.  OCC Silver cable is very transparent and revealing, in my opinion.  I needed something "less transparent" in the high frequencies to tone down the HD800 hissing and the Copper Venom (OCC Copper) did the trick.  The same goes with the choice of amp where a little bloom in the bass helps the HD800 a lot but that's a topic for a different forum. 

post #6755 of 9358
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


My friend..i partly have to disagree with u also...u forget that u have a rig thats north of being warm sounding with ur carly..ofcourse a silver widow will do fine then with a hd800.. But a more neutral sounding (ss) dont...in that case the silver will over accentuate what was mentioned before for the hd800... But i agree...its the used configuration that makes the hd800 sound more brighter or less... And a cable is only in a little part responsible for the soundsignature....

Sooo..if u have a darker/warmer sounding rig..go for the excellent SW, if u have an amp thats more neutral or colder...best way is to get a good copper cable..like the BW 22awg (especially the 8wire) or the copper venom rc4.

Question..did u actually try a black widow or copper venom with ur rig? Just to compare to ur silver widow?

Dont get me wrong..the SW is a top cable!!!!!! With the righ rig/headphone it sounds wonderful.

All imho ofcourse biggrin.gif

Well pt!!!!

 

I whole-heartedly agree!!!

post #6756 of 9358
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post

 

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Sorry,  I never  said  that my experience should define anybody else's. You said it,  I simply related: my experience and my opinion, which is of course biased by my own sonic taste, all in the hope that it may help others.

 

My bad...I read it wrong...:blink:

 

Given my personal bias toward tube amps, I am generally rewarded with that Bass bloom. It is a nice fit with the 800's. It took awhile to get here. I have had several nice SS amps and found that for HP's I lean more toward tubes characteristics. It was a fortuitous event that led to pairing the Cary with the W4S DAC and I found the combo fit my tastes perfectly. The SW topped things off nicely. I have had no desire to make any changes for over a year (did I just say that?? Yikes!)

 

My portable rig gets adjusted much more often, but that is just the fun of playing with toys.....:D 

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

My bad...I read it wrong...blink.gif

. I have had no desire to make any changes for over a year (did I just say that?? Yikes!)

Shame on u, admitting that openly! Go to ur corner as a punishment..ur a disgrace to our kind biggrin.gif u at least should change/upgrade parts of ur rig at least once anually biggrin.gif
Am so disapointed in u now.. biggrin.gif
post #6758 of 9358
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
 
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

My bad...I read it wrong...blink.gif

. I have had no desire to make any changes for over a year (did I just say that?? Yikes!)
 
Shame on u, admitting that openly! Go to ur corner as a punishment..ur a disgrace to our kind biggrin.gif u at least should change/upgrade parts of ur rig at least once anually biggrin.gif
Am so disapointed in u now.. biggrin.gif

I could buy a new Blue Circle amp.....Oh wait... I still would not change gear for another year.....:evil:

post #6759 of 9358
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I could buy a new Blue Circle amp.....Oh wait... I still would not change gear for another year.....evil_smiley.gif
Hehehe..but ur next year would be soooo good wink.gif
post #6760 of 9358
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

I could buy a new Blue Circle amp.....Oh wait... I still would not change gear for another year.....evil_smiley.gif
Hehehe..but ur next year would be soooo good wink.gif

:beerchug:

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I would call my system neutral (Sabre32 DAC, Silver I/C cables, neutral SS amp) yet I also have the SW on my HD800's with stunning effect.

 

Have not tried the BW or copper venom to compare, but I have no desire to given the performance of the SW and my preference for silver cables.

 

So I am with Longbowbbs on this. The HD800's certainly don't need a copper cable to sound sunning.

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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

I would call my system neutral (Sabre32 DAC, Silver I/C cables, neutral SS amp) yet I also have the SW on my HD800's with stunning effect.

Have not tried the BW or copper venom to compare, but I have no desire to given the performance of the SW and my preference for silver cables.

So I am with Longbowbbs on this. The HD800's certainly don't need a copper cable to sound sunning.
Hey nigel..i see u use ONLY silver widow on ALL ur phones..ever tried a 8wire BW..thats pricewise in the same league as ur 4wire SW..i ask u this as i once had a 4wire BW..and although it was good it was nothing super to talk about..but when i switched over to th cable i have now (8wire) i found out how good a copper cable cable can be with my higher end rig i now have...any brighter soundsignature would just be to much..i checked it with a couple of friends who ,in my opinion, have real golden ears, and they all agreed that my rig sounded pretty natural..more treble would just be overkill...maybe the SW would show more detail...could be..but for the whole listening expererience..the Bw 8wire or the copper venom (8wire or the RC4 4 wire) should be the right match with brighter phones...ofcourse its all personal..some people prefer a brighter soundsignature..or ur ears are just less sensitive to treble..in that case a brighter silver cable could be ur thing..but in the end..its all personal...
But i actually know at least one person with very very high quality stuff who has Almost all TOTL cables frank makes (kiats and sensui)..the BW and Sw and the venom and if i am not mistaken some hybrids also..and they agree with me..if u do a comparision on the hd800.. The BW 8wire or the copper venom could be a very good choice over the SW..unless u like a brighter soundsignature..i heard 2 silver cables in the past compared to my 8wire BW and for me the BW gave just more heart to the music..it did show a little bit less detail..but the music sounded like music..it was flowing... To my ears anyway..i asked frank to borrow me a SW to compare it to my Bw and the venom i am getting...to do a little comparision on my amp..that would be very interesting...

I will ask frank again if he has one SW laying around for me to use it as comparision... I am not choosing camps here my friends..we all love franks cables... And he makes one of the most wonderful cables on this world..everyone can be helped with any wish he has soundwise...

Longbowbbs..pity u live so far..i would love to compare my cables to urs..and in the proces make u buy a He5 second hand and let him being transformed by LFF into a code-x..as the more i listen to my phone the more i get a feeling it would be perfect for ur carly 80!

And guys..we are just discussing opinions right? We all believe no matter which cable frank makes it for sure is one of the better cables in its pricerange..right? wink.gif

Ps..am now listening to the soundtrack of beowulf in lossless (yep again)...OMFG...the lows...the plcement of intruments..the soundstage...u can pinpoint almost every single instrument...the music vibrates as if they are playing live in front of u.... U have to hear it to believe it.. And the code-x is in a big way responsible for this... Really guys..get urself a RARE second hand HE5 (if u can get one!) and sent it to LFF to transform it into maybe one of the most musical sounding phones existing now...u wont regret it!

And nigel..just saw the game..am really sorry u guys lost..i was hoping ur team would win! Well..u still have 2games to play to make it right! So kick some butt wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 6/14/14 at 5:48pm
post #6763 of 9358
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Longbowbbs..pity u live so far..i would love to compare my cables to urs..and in the proces make u buy a He5 second hand and let him being transformed by LFF into a code-x..as the more i listen to my phone the more i get a feeling it would be perfect for ur carly 80!

And nigel..just saw the game..am really sorry u guys lost..i was hoping ur team would win! Well..u still have 2games to play to make it right! So kick some butt wink.gif

That would be a fine afternoon....(and evening I suspect!) 

 

Are you guys talking about Hockey?  :D

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That would be a fine afternoon....(and evening I suspect!) 

Are you guys talking about Hockey?  biggrin.gif
Yep it would..especially knowing that my amp needs at least 6hrs or more to sound on its best again after being switched off! Its just rediculus...but so hard reality..i never experienced this!! Thats also why gilbert (the builder) didnt put any on-off switch on my amp..as i wanted the best sound possible for my budget..so he decided to do so... So we would have to wait until it would be on working temp...but am sure ur special carly would keep us occupied long enough wink.gif and then we could switch over to my rig wink.gif

If we were talking about hockey..well..our ladies team just won the world championship biggrin.gif GO GIRLS!!!! Those girls are the real killers in discuise..damn..those girls can play..i once played field hockey when i was in college so trust me its just as hard as soccer..which i played also in the past wink.gif BIG RESPECT to those girls. wink.gif

But We were talking about soccer..thats being played in brasil right now...my first and favorite team won yesterday big time (next monday portugal..my second team..lolz) ....UK unluckily lost today... mad.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 6/14/14 at 7:10pm
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UK lost ?? I think it is 1:1 :tongue:   OH just updated from the news, UK lost by 1:2 to Italy, bad news :(


Edited by inter voice - 6/14/14 at 9:35pm
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