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post #5896 of 9364
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Originally Posted by olilam View Post
 

 

I seem to prefer slightly brighter sounds, so I am thinking of going silver and that 1% gold the Frank injects notes that it provides a great balance.  Then again, I do not think I have broken in my LCD XC's.

 

I will post my frequency chart if I could, but my account does not have permission to do so.

 

If I may, I will like to kindly ask for suggestions in which type of Toxic Cable I should go for that is under £400.

IMHO if you prefer slightly brighter sounds I am afraid that LCD-XC cannot satisfy your need as LCD-XC's HF is rolled off and a silver cable cannot boost the HF by a lot.  This is due to the warm sonic signature of LCD.  I owned a pair of LCD-X and I found the HF is too soft when compared with my other HD800, though the performance of its lower-mid range and bass are excellent.  The cable now connected to my LCD-X is Frank's SW.

 

As to the frequency response chart you may compare yours with those posted up here:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/702003/audeze-lcd-x-frequency-response-graph-arrived#post_10201088


Edited by inter voice - 2/4/14 at 11:57am
post #5897 of 9364
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Originally Posted by olilam View Post

Thank you for the response. I have PM'ed Frank here.  I understand that he is a man who never sleeps tongue.gif
In all honestly, I am very new to HeadFi and headphones in general.  I mainly do a lot of reading but have not had the luxury to really test out options.

I currently have the LCD XC and using the Centrance HiFi M8.

I seem to prefer slightly brighter sounds, so I am thinking of going silver and that 1% gold the Frank injects notes that it provides a great balance.  Then again, I do not think I have broken in my LCD XC's.

I will post my frequency chart if I could, but my account does not have permission to do so.

If I may, I will like to kindly ask for suggestions in which type of Toxic Cable I should go for that is under £400.
I would say:
Bw 22awg 8wire,.. Or the SW equivalent thats goes very well with the regular darker sounding lcd 2.. I understand the cable to go for a lcd3 is the copper venom RC-4 or regular venom..the last being a bit more expensive then 400gbp..my next cable for sure will be a copper venom Rc-4 when i have the funds again..as i feel thats only copper cable better then what i have now. wink.gif

Have fun choosing..as u have the perfect budget to buy a very very very very good cable in franks assortment wink.gif

Ps..the BW in no ways sound dark...it sounds a bit darker then the SW though..but in my rig the SW would be a bit to bright.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/4/14 at 12:08pm
post #5898 of 9364
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Sorry lads, 

We have been extremely busy the last few weeks getting these IEM cables ready, we are also working on Venom orders now, so things have been hectic.

If you have a message that needs replying to ASAP, please send me a PM and i will go through them this evening.

There were a couple of days i did not get much done as i had to go to the airport and get a few new members of the Toxic family through customs, pictures of the new additions below, don't they look sooo cute and cuddly biggrin.gif  one of them nearly bit me on the nose yesterday lol

One of these days, one might slip in to one of your packages, when you put your hand in the envelope and then try plugging it in to your headphones, will feel like a thick cable biggrin.gif


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Frank u scare me!! So many snakes...they do look beautiful on pics but OMG..dont u ever dare to put any snake in my package when i order the Copper Venom RC-4 with u this year...Or else i will slap u..hehehehe
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Holy, dat snakes collection..
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Thank you for your kind and prompt response!  

I read about the dark sounding nature of the LCD's and maybe I still need to get used to.  I previously had the ultrasone Ed8 and although those are brighter, they do hurt the ears at times.  

 

I am also looking into the WooAudio WA7 Firefly.  Any opinions/suggestions?

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Thank you for your detailed response.  I exchanged messages with Frank and I am currently sold on the SW.  Will post an update once I get a thorough run on them!  

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Just to offer a counterview to the the conventional wisdom that the LCD 2 always need a silver cable to brighten its dark sig. I have both the SW and the BW with mini-XLR connectors. 

 

I would describe the SW as being a microscope which reveals all the details of your music, whereas the BW gives a smooth and mellow rendition to the same music - I often describe it as looking into your music through rose-tinted glasses. Something you would want when you are sitting back on your favorite easy chair and sipping some excellent single malt.

 

So, it really depends on what you want - do you want to amplify all the details in your music and scrutinise them; or are you looking for a nice mellow means to enjoying your music? 

 

I personally prefer the BW for enjoyment of my LCD 2 because it clarifies the otherwise slightly veiled mids while not taking away the very attractive organic bass that the LCD 2 is so well known for.

 

My two cents worth. :)

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Wow, it was my first time posting and within a day I have had such tremendous support and feedback. I want to say a sincere thank you to this community smily_headphones1.gif being a beginner in all this I have learned a lot of valuable opinions.

I can visualize your description Kiats, and it certainly is luring. At the moment, I seem to prefer listening to all the details as I am still astonished at what my LCD XC can do in comparison to my Ultrasone ED8. And more so over my previous BW P5 smily_headphones1.gif

I opt for the SW and I will post my thoughts after thorough listening.

Anyone has experience with the WooAudio WA7 Firefly and LCD XC? Just wondering if someone can provide some input.

Thanks
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No worries, man! Always happy to share our own perspectives.

 

Hmm... I haven't received it yet but something which may also interest you as a nice compromise between the SW and the BW is the Virus. Mine is on its way to me. I actually have a Virus for my Fitear IEMs: what I can tell you is that unlike some other so-called hybrids, Frank actually does the painstaking thing of interweaving the litz copper and silver strands. What you get as a result is not a confused sig but a very well integrated and coherent sound - you very much have the best of both worlds. I don't know what others feel but I like it! :)

post #5905 of 9364
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Originally Posted by olilam View Post



Anyone has experience with the WooAudio WA7 Firefly and LCD XC? Just wondering if someone can provide some input.

 

I have not auditioned WA7 before but IMHO if you prefer to hear more details in your music, in particular HF, then tube amp may not be a suitable choice.  I would suggest using solid state amps.


Edited by inter voice - 2/5/14 at 2:43am
post #5906 of 9364
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Originally Posted by olilam View Post
 

Thank you for the response. I have PM'ed Frank here.  I understand that he is a man who never sleeps :p

In all honestly, I am very new to HeadFi and headphones in general.  I mainly do a lot of reading but have not had the luxury to really test out options.

 

I currently have the LCD XC and using the Centrance HiFi M8.

 

I seem to prefer slightly brighter sounds, so I am thinking of going silver and that 1% gold the Frank injects notes that it provides a great balance.  Then again, I do not think I have broken in my LCD XC's.

 

I will post my frequency chart if I could, but my account does not have permission to do so.

 

If I may, I will like to kindly ask for suggestions in which type of Toxic Cable I should go for that is under £400.

I think the BW will also be better because i got a mail from Peter from DHC himself saying that silver cables with gold are as little as 50% of copper’s conductivity and i think the more conductivity the better the cable is.IMHO ofcourse!!!
 
 
Also if anyone thinks Franks cables are expensive then read what Peter on same mail to me said here, and i quote:
 

 

  'Who knows, maybe someday my cables will cost less; I just don’t have the luxury of pricing things very close to cost and having a lot of money in the bank to back me up'. 

So Franks competition is saying he sells cables very close to cost and if someone knows the cost of cables then it will be another cable make(r).

 

So you have it here: franks cables are cheap. Peter even agrees (on same mail to me) that Franks cables are a good deal because he wrote this:

 'His cables are and always will be a good deal, However, I did not have $500,000 to spend on starting a cable business as he did (by my calculations)'.

 

So if anyone thinks franks cables are not good deal then read all of this above what one of his competitor says..honest and real talk......u can even read he even invests $500.000 on his equipment (according to Peters estimates) so he can provide the best products to us (his customers).

 

So reading all this u can be sure that for £400 you will get the very best cable for the very best price.

 

what more can u wish for?" src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/wink.gif" />


Edited by hifimanrookie - 2/5/14 at 5:33pm
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Edited by nigeljames - 2/5/14 at 1:50pm
post #5908 of 9364
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
I think the BW will also be better because i got a mail from Peter from DHC himself saying that silver cables with gold are at least 50% of copper’s conductivity and i think the more conductivity the better the cable is.IMHO ofcourse!!!
 
 
Also if anyone thinks Franks cables are expensive then read what Peter on same mail to me said here, and i quote:
 

 

  'Who knows, maybe someday my cables will cost less; I just don’t have the luxury of pricing things very close to cost and having a lot of money in the bank to back me up'. 

So Franks competition is saying he sells cables very close to cost and if someone knows the cost of cables then it will be another cable make(r).

 

So you have it here: franks cables are cheap. Peter even agrees (on same mail to me) that Franks cables are a good deal because he wrote this:

 'His cables are and always will be a good deal, However, I did not have $500,000 to spend on starting a cable business as he did (by my calculations)'.

 

So if anyone thinks franks cables are not good deal then read all of this above what one of his competitor says..honest and real talk......u can even read he even invests $500.000 on his equipment (according to Peters estimates) so he can provide the best products to us (his customers).

 

So reading all this u can be sure that for £400 you will get the very best cable for the very best price.

 

what more can u wish for?;)

So you get offered a discounted cable and now you try to put me out of business :mad: Just kidding mate :biggrin:

 

I am going to try not replying to most of that, as i might get in trouble :redface:

 

Silver is more conductive then copper to start with, gold is also quite conductive, so adding 1% gold in my Poison or little more in the SW will not make it 50% less conductive then copper, both the SP and SW are still more conductive then copper with the gold in it. Adding just 1% gold in the  silver barely effects it's conductivity and anyone with half a brain will know it won't make it 50% less conductive. 

 

As for how much i spent on starting Toxic, i spent what it took to provide the best, that's it. Why someone would want to calculate how much i spend, i don't know.

 

People need to concentrate on their own companies then be watching mine, calculating how much money i put in to my company, or complaining about how cheap i sell my cables. I don't speak about anyone, their products or contact their customers, so i hope one day this same courtesy can be shown by others.

 

Regarding pricing of my cables, i price my cables fairly and what i feel i would be happy paying for that cable and at the same time feel i got a good deal, this does not mean i will make the cables for nothing as i have a family to support, but i don't value my time at $500 an hour either. I think everyone here knows how hard i work, and if i was not earning a living doing this, i could not do it. Bonus is that i love what i do and don't feel i need to make huge profits doing something that i like doing.

 

Anyhow guys, i have said all i need to say and i hope my customers will understand where i am coming from, so it's best to leave this here, otherwise it will just derail this thread.


Edited by Toxic Cables - 2/5/14 at 10:09pm
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Will be opening the new thread for the prize draw tomorrow, took pictures of everything earlier today :dt880smile: 

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Will be opening the new thread for the prize draw tomorrow, took pictures of everything earlier today :dt880smile: 


Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

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