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post #4876 of 9356
Yes rook, some do their own metallurgy, drawing and casting. Is it important, some cable makers think so. That effort is why some cost what they do. I'm very interested in Toxic products which is why I ask. Does the cabinet have an impact on the signal path? That's a rather baffling analogy.
post #4877 of 9356
If it is a repectable wire manufacturer I don't see the difference in getting bulk cable.
post #4878 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Is Toxic wire supplied by bulk vendor or is it manufactured by Toxic from raw material to final product?

 

I am guessing that you mean if i buy my wire ready made, in which case the same wire would be available to other manufacturers from the same vendor. The answer would be no.

 

All my wires, other then 1 solid core copper wire that i have, is specifically manufactured for me to my own specifications, so no one other then myself would have that exact same wire.

 

So, no, my wires are not bulk off the shelf wires.

 

We do not make our silver/copper strands from raw materials such as copper rods ourselves, this is done by the wire manufacturer and as far as i am aware, there are no small cable manufacturers with the capabilities of doing this, is it takes and investment of millions.

 

 

A little weekend project i just finished for another customer. Sony R10 recabled with the Black Widow in my custom 2 tone French Silk sleeving. Ear pads and inner foam replaced with new ones. Wood cups treated and soaked over a period of 4 weeks. Leather headband cleaned and conditioned, broken strain relief on headphones replaced, and every other part of the headphone cleaned and polished.

 

   

 

 

 

Have done quite a few of these now and each time they surprise me on how awesome these headphones sound, i really need to get a pair.

 

Another done previously, http://www.head-fi.org/t/608294/sony-mdr-r10-some-tlc-and-a-recable-for-an-old-set

 

Will go though all emails and PM's Monday.


Edited by Toxic Cables - 10/6/13 at 3:25pm
post #4879 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post

i think its a valid question, to know how something comes about, we dont expect someone to reveil all their secrets but interesting to know if the MFG are taking more of a hands on approach to their product vs having other mfg involved....obviously we know frank does take a hands on approach as he makes all the finished products by hand. 
I still dont get it..and i have more then 20 years of experience in procurement management...for some products (medical consumables for example) it can be a matter of life and dead to know whats in it (certificates of origin etc) ..but for such a 'simple' product like a cable (i mean the raw materials!)...its more important how they work on it..

As i said..no one manufacturer gets raw material (metal blocks) from any supplier..they get the raw wires.. And in franks case..yes..he does the sleeving, placing connectors, stranding etc. Himself if i am not mistaken...

Only thing he doesnt do is making the wires INSIDE of the cable..as thats rawmaterial metals as i said before..

I would rather ask this: how are the cables made? In what kind of environment? What equipment? How many specilalists? R&D investments? As that could be a more important factor then to know if they get rawmaterial or not... Some 'premium' brands can learn a lot about the investments frank does into his business and the r&d he does to improve his product.. Thats a proven fact..on contrary to some other brands... But i wont mention any brands here.. As i know the have to make a living also... And i respect that....
And yes..i also have to pay for my cables as u all know...MY WALLET HATES FRANK DEEPLY..heheheh..

I just dont like questions which can be intepreted wrongly...and in this case imho is not the right one... Why no one asks this on other cable appreciation threads? Maybe because toxic owners feel thats its beneath them? As they know they have a heavenly sounding cable for the price they paid for it! And dont need to protect that..or attack other minded..and i know that frank wouldnt like it that his customers would attack other brands for that reason..he believes in competition... No backstabbing...he even posted on this thread once not to do the same thing..badmouthing about other brands.. He respect his competitors..as it should be..trevor from norse does the same...

.. I get a feeling not eveyone does the same..

When i check some posters (also on forums of other brands) who post these kind of questions or are 'doubtful' or just post in the open that toxic is bad for u (out of curiosity) i see most of them dont even own any toxic cable..but do have a cable of a competitor/ or in favor of a competitor brand.. But Ofcourse..i can be a bit paranoia... biggrin.gif
post #4880 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

I am guessing that you mean if i buy my wire ready made, in which case the same wire would be available to other manufacturers from the same vendor. The answer would be no.

All my wires, other then 1 solid core copper wire that i have, is specifically manufactured for me to my own specifications, so no one other then myself would have that exact same wire.

So, no, my wires are not bulk off the shelf wires.


A little weekend project i just finished for another customer. Sony R10 recabled with the Black Widow in my custom 2 tone French Silk sleeving. Ear pads and inner foam replaced with new ones. Wood cups treated and soaked over a period of 4 weeks. Leather headband cleaned and conditioned, broken strain relief on headphones replaced, and every other part of the headphone cleaned and
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Have done quite a few of these now and each time they surprise me on how awesome these headphones sound, i really need to get a pair.

Another done previously, 
Ok..with this i think ur questions are answered now..any more questions?? biggrin.gif
post #4881 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post
 

 

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I am guessing that you mean if i buy my wire ready made, in which case the same wire would be available to other manufacturers from the same vendor. The answer would be no.

 

All my wires, other then 1 solid core copper wire that i have, is specifically manufactured for me to my own specifications, so no one other then myself would have that exact same wire.

 

So, no, my wires are not bulk off the shelf wires.

 

 

A little weekend project i just finished for another customer. Sony R10 recabled with the Black Widow in my custom 2 tone French Silk sleeving. Ear pads and inner foam replaced with new ones. Wood cups treated and soaked over a period of 4 weeks. Leather headband cleaned and conditioned, broken strain relief on headphones replaced, and every other part of the headphone cleaned and polished.

 

   

 

 

 

Have done quite a few of these now and each time they surprise me on how awesome these headphones sound, i really need to get a pair.

 

Another done previously, 

 

 

Awesome work and ditto regarding the R10s.

post #4882 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Yes rook, some do their own metallurgy, drawing and casting. Is it important, some cable makers think so. That effort is why some cost what they do. I'm very interested in Toxic products which is why I ask. Does the cabinet have an impact on the signal path? That's a rather baffling analogy.
Now u made me curious..which headphone cable brand does that? I am genuine curious now..am not pulling ur leg here!! Am always open to new insights as everyone knows..i went from the SS camp to the tube camp (remember?) because of headfi and a certain dubstepgirl..i hate u girl...lolz..kidding!!!lolz..

as its first time i heard that a headphone cable builder has the financial/intelectual/network sources to do that and keep it profittable... I do know outof own experience that in certain markets certain cable manufacturers in the industry do that..but we are talking about multi million (billion?) businesses here.. And in that light and those amounts of production levels its cheaper to do it all inhouse because of huge costs of logistics/labor/certification/ deliverytimes/control over quality etc. Etc.

But as i said..i am genuine interested in that brand..even if its just to know about it and check their site..as i always respect companies who do it differently...
Thanks for supplying the name..
post #4883 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Yes rook, some do their own metallurgy, drawing and casting. Is it important, some cable makers think so. That effort is why some cost what they do. I'm very interested in Toxic products which is why I ask. Does the cabinet have an impact on the signal path? That's a rather baffling analogy.

 

I don't know of any small, middle sized or ever larger sized headphone cable manufacturers that draw and cast their own wire from rods, other then the likes of Furutech who make headphone cables and companies of that magnitude, no other has such capabilities.

 

Anyway, anything that needs to be said here has been, please let's take this discussion elsewhere.


Edited by Toxic Cables - 10/6/13 at 3:34pm
post #4884 of 9356
Sure you do! The ones that lie :P

I don't think it would be cost efficient at all to make your own wire. No wait, I am pretty much certain that it would be a financial disaster to have your own factory smily_headphones1.gif
post #4885 of 9356
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post

Sure you do! The ones that lie :P

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post #4886 of 9356
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


I still dont get it..and i have more then 20 years of experience in procurement management...for some products (medical consumables for example) it can be a matter of life and dead to know whats in it (certificates of origin etc) ..but for such a 'simple' product like a cable (i mean the raw materials!)...its more important how they work on it..

As i said..no one manufacturer gets raw material (metal blocks) from any supplier..they get the raw wires.. And in franks case..yes..he does the sleeving, placing connectors, stranding etc. Himself if i am not mistaken...

Only thing he doesnt do is making the wires INSIDE of the cable..as thats rawmaterial metals as i said before..

I would rather ask this: how are the cables made? In what kind of environment? What equipment? How many specilalists? R&D investments? As that could be a more important factor then to know if they get rawmaterial or not... Some 'premium' brands can learn a lot about the investments frank does into his business and the r&d he does to improve his product.. Thats a proven fact..on contrary to some other brands... But i wont mention any brands here.. As i know the have to make a living also... And i respect that....
And yes..i also have to pay for my cables as u all know...MY WALLET HATES FRANK DEEPLY..heheheh..

I just dont like questions which can be intepreted wrongly...and in this case imho is not the right one... Why no one asks this on other cable appreciation threads? Maybe because toxic owners feel thats its beneath them? As they know they have a heavenly sounding cable for the price they paid for it! And dont need to protect that..or attack other minded..and i know that frank wouldnt like it that his customers would attack other brands for that reason..he believes in competition... No backstabbing...he even posted on this thread once not to do the same thing..badmouthing about other brands.. He respect his competitors..as it should be..trevor from norse does the same...

.. I get a feeling not eveyone does the same..

When i check some posters (also on forums of other brands) who post these kind of questions or are 'doubtful' or just post in the open that toxic is bad for u (out of curiosity) i see most of them dont even own any toxic cable..but do have a cable of a competitor/ or in favor of a competitor brand.. But Ofcourse..i can be a bit paranoia... biggrin.gif

 

i see what ur saying.

 

i personally have a bit of  Toxic's cables, westone Silver poisoned Customized to my liking, RSA male balanced to ibasso balanced toxic silver poison cable adapter, i also have a rsa female to ibasso male toxic silver poison adapter all of course are custom, also have a ipod to usb toxic silver poison which is going to be customized to a ibasso balanced to ibasso balanced.

 

i have alot of other boutique cables, BUT prefer Toxic, i cant get away from the sound of the silver poison.

post #4887 of 9356
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Originally Posted by citraian View Post

Sure you do! The ones that lie :P

I don't think it would be cost efficient at all to make your own wire. No wait, I am pretty much certain that it would be a financial disaster to have your own factory smily_headphones1.gif

 

But the difference is that i know it's a lie :biggrin: 

 

This is actually one of the reasons i post pictures of R&D wires and other items, before the final production version. So that my customers are able to see that i am actually doing the R&D necessary to make sure i only release the best.,

 

It would be easy for me to say i am releasing a new wire, that will be my best wire yet, when in reality i have not even heard the wire myself yet.

post #4888 of 9356
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Originally Posted by Mooses9 View Post
 

 

i see what ur saying.

 

i personally have a bit of  Toxic's cables, westone Silver poisoned Customized to my liking, RSA male balanced to ibasso balanced toxic silver poison cable adapter, i also have a rsa female to ibasso male toxic silver poison adapter all of course are custom, also have a ipod to usb toxic silver poison which is going to be customized to a ibasso balanced to ibasso balanced.

 

i have alot of other boutique cables, BUT prefer Toxic, i cant get away from the sound of the silver poison.

 

Thank you for your comments, i am glad that you like the Poison. The Poison is one of my favorite, it's the cable that made Toxic. I have made many attempts by tinkering with it, to make it sound better, all have failed. It's one cable i cannot improve upon, it already sounds damn good 

:biggrin: 

post #4889 of 9356
What the different between balanced and not balanced wire?

Sorry for the dumb question.
post #4890 of 9356
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Originally Posted by stvc View Post

What the different between balanced and not balanced wire?

Sorry for the dumb question.

 

There is no balanced or non balanced wire, it would be the cable, depending on if you have a balanced amp or not.

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