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post #4051 of 9343

Yes Lin we will meet up and compare..... intervoice, the Virus is Neutral, I think SW might suit HD800 .....But who knows? Never heard the combo..

post #4052 of 9343

longbowbs you are just as bad as me.....lol   

post #4053 of 9343

Very good comparison Stanksc75smile.gif

 

I agree, silver is a magic material, but you have to build it correctly

 

THX for you time, great job.

post #4054 of 9343

Thanks for the great review maguire. it gives me a clear picture on how the virus sound :)

now im having a hard time whether choosing the virus or the 8 wire hybrid for my hd800

post #4055 of 9343

Thanks to Frank, I've also had the chance to hear the Virus. This was compared to my own Silver Widows on the Audeze LCD-3s.

 

Silver Widows:

- amazing soundstage

- lots of air

- exceptional detail accross the spectrum

- great treble extension and spark

- more neutral sounding than the Virus

- great bass

 

Virus:

- Amazing bass. Adds bass impact and extension. The best I've heard so far on the LCD-3s.

- warmer fuller bodied sound

- more intimate soundstage, but not as extended as with the Silver Widows

- less treble detail and extension than Silver Widows.

- very musical sounding

 

To sum-up it all up, while the Virus is a great cable with tons of qualities, I prefer the Silver Widows for the Audeze. I want to be very clear: This is when comparing two really great high-end cables, albeit very different sounding to each other. To my preference the Silver Widows cable has better synergy with the LCD-3s. While preserving and contouring the strengths of the LCD-3s, it opens them up a bit and adds air and detail. My only slight niggle with the SW and the LCD-3s is that the exceptional details are maybe a bit too much of a good thing on the treble with bright recordings. Regarding the best match with the Virus and while I have no way to assess this presently, I would assume the Virus is fantastic with the Sennheiser HD800s, to my preference at least.


Edited by negura - 7/3/13 at 9:56am
post #4056 of 9343

Thanks Mr Blackmore....Thats a complement coming from you. .........

negura interesting to hear your take on the SW & Virus ...more neutral on the LCD3, wow I called it the opposite on the Miracles....biggrin.gif

post #4057 of 9343
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Thanks Mr Blackmore....Thats a complement coming from you. .........

negura interesting to hear your take on the SW & Virus ...more neutral on the LCD3, wow I called it the opposite on the Miracles....biggrin.gif

 

Yup saw that. To me the axis is warm, neutral, bright. To my ears the Virus is clearly tilted to the warm side, although maybe not as much as a pure copper cable (I did not have a quality one to compare it with, but heard them at the last meet in London, thus the "maybe"), whereas Silver Widows is closer to neutral, but coming from the other side of it.

 

I should've also added (and I've just done that): the Virus is very musical sounding. My comparison was done on the LCD-3s which are already very musical, warm sounding headphones that produce some of the best bass out there. What I am looking for in a cable is synergy and to complement those particular headphones, while preserving their strengths.

 

Btw, I've heard the Silver Widows on the HD800s, and I personally think it's too much of a good thing on the HD800s, whereas on the Audeze it's brilliant. I prefer the copper cables on the Senn, which is what I presently use, and my gut feeling is the Virus will also be a great fit. The HD800s can do with musicality, more bass and warmth and they sound even more amazing like that.


Edited by negura - 7/3/13 at 10:04am
post #4058 of 9343
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

Yup saw that. To me the axis is warm, neutral, bright. To my ears the Virus is clearly tilted to the warm side, although maybe not as much as a pure copper cable (I did not have a quality one to compare it with, but heard them at the last meet in London, thus the "maybe"), whereas Silver Widows is closer to neutral, but coming from the other side of it.
As u guys know i am only person who has the completely balanced 8wire 22awg black widow cable..2 separated individual sleeved cables for left and right..its full stranded litz copper..so u would say it would sound warm with less treble..nothing could be different.. !!!!
I had the normal 4 wire version before this..and it was indeed a bit n the warm side...but this cable is almost neutral..better said..natural sounding...i asked my wife who attended a few concerts of byoncee and mariah carey...and she was stunned how the very high quality flac versions of the songs she knows sounded..she is a Complete addict for those two artists...and she said it sounded so real!!! And being honest here..i once heard queen in the past..and hearing some live recordings in extreme high (1000 and up) flac and wav quality it gives me shivers how good it sounds..the guitars, the drums, piano, strings in background..it sounds so right..i cant imagine that a brighter cable could do better..as the treble sounds just right to my ears..so i am doubting a SW could be a better choice..or it should be a balanced 8wire virus cable..just as i have my BW... But its also maybe because of the rest of my rig..which is very good in showing detail and soundstage that the cable is as it is wink.gif

So frank..if u have a SW to spare to try out..sent one to me..i would love to try one out comparingit to my killer BW..a virus would do also biggrin.gif

On a personal note to frank.....my friend,,,u really outdid urself with my cable..i had people here sitting in my comfy chair listening to music on my he500.... Some Almost in trance....am not kidding..they justbcant believe a headphone system can sound like this..and some of those have multi thousands worth of speaker systems!! And its ur cable who is one of the parts doing that..well done my friend.. Everytime i listen to my rig and close my eyes..i feel so relaxed...
U will go a long way frank! Damn..ur cable and my new amp will be a match in heaven....a balanced string of almost perfection..and with the he6 (or he7) next year..i will make many people jealous..oops hehehehehe. biggrin.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 7/3/13 at 10:11am
post #4059 of 9343

Hope to see my order in a few weeks. wink_face.gif

post #4060 of 9343

Listening to the HD800's with Silver Widows and it just keeps getting better and better.

Listening to some Roxy Music and then some heavy metal and it's just stunning.

Masses of tight, focused, fast bass, extended but smooth and precise treble combined with a superbly open, detailed and dynamic midrange.

Anyone who want's to warm the HD800's up might prefer a copper cable but for everyone else the SW is a stunning cable generally and also specifically for the HD800's

post #4061 of 9343
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I just finished replying to all PM's and it nearly 5am, so i am going to get a couple of hours shut eye and will reply to eBay and emails later today. Sorry for the delays in responses lads.

Sorry Frank, you haven't replied to my PM...
post #4062 of 9343
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

 

Listening to some Roxy Music and then some heavy metal and it's just stunning.

 

Awesome choices Nigel!

post #4063 of 9343
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Listening to the HD800's with Silver Widows and it just keeps getting better and better.

Listening to some Roxy Music and then some heavy metal and it's just stunning.

Masses of tight, focused, fast bass, extended but smooth and precise treble combined with a superbly open, detailed and dynamic midrange.

Anyone who want's to warm the HD800's up might prefer a copper cable but for everyone else the SW is a stunning cable generally and also specifically for the HD800's

 

Completely agree. At first I thought that silver cables may be too much of a good thing on the HD800 but based on my experience with them, the SWs perform exceedingly well with the HD800. The instrument separation, detail, transparency and smoothness goes up a notch and the bass is very controlled i.e. fast, tight and deep - almost stax like. Definitely an improvement over the stock cable (although the stock cable is very good). Highly recommended.

post #4064 of 9343
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Originally Posted by DarknightDK View Post

 

Completely agree. At first I thought that silver cables may be too much of a good thing on the HD800 but based on my experience with them, the SWs perform exceedingly well with the HD800. The instrument separation, detail, transparency and smoothness goes up a notch and the bass is very controlled i.e. fast, tight and deep - almost stax like. Definitely an improvement over the stock cable (although the stock cable is very good). Highly recommended.

I initially ordered a BW for my HD800 from Frank but after hearing all the good comments about SW with HD800 I made up my mind and changed my order from BW to SW wink.gif.  I am now patiently waiting for the SW from Frank.

post #4065 of 9343
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Originally Posted by DarknightDK View Post

 

Completely agree. At first I thought that silver cables may be too much of a good thing on the HD800 but based on my experience with them, the SWs perform exceedingly well with the HD800. The instrument separation, detail, transparency and smoothness goes up a notch and the bass is very controlled i.e. fast, tight and deep - almost stax like. Definitely an improvement over the stock cable (although the stock cable is very good). Highly recommended.

At this moment I have the Black widow. I bought it based on the general consensus that the Sennheiser HD800 needs a copper cable. Well, in my system this is not the case. I think that it also depends on your reference. For instance, my other headphone is the AKG K1000. That phone has a less extended bass than the Sennheiser. As such, the focus is more on midrange and treble. To address this 'leanness' i have equipment that is already on the warm side, to get the max. out of the AKG K1000. The treble of the Sennheiser is smoother than the treble of the AKG K1000. Some will disagree, but that is what I hear. The combination of more bass and a smoother treble of the Sennheiser HD800 compared to the AKG K1000, means there is no real need to warm things  up. At this moment I am experimenting with tubes to get that extra clarity out of the Sennheiser HD800.  

 

I use a speaker amplifier and I do not have a headphone amplifier. As such I never heard the stock cable of the HD800. My only reference is the black widow. Most of you compare the silver widow to the stock cable, that makes it hard for me to find out what the silver widow brings to the table compared to the black widow. Maybe if you compare the black widow to the stock cable you get similar improvements as mentioned with the silver cable. That is why I would like to know whether some of you really have compared both the black widow and the silver widow preferably with the Sennheiser HD800. Not trying to offend anyone, but spare me the standard silver versus copper sound advice. I am well aware of that. I am only interested in a real comparison between the black widow and the silver widow. I have already spend quite a lot of money on a cable, I am willing to take another plunge with the silver widow, but only if i get a good idea of the differences i can expect changing from a black widow to a silver widow from someone who really compared them....Thank you.


Edited by playitloud - 7/4/13 at 1:18am
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