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post #3661 of 7504
Frank, sent you a PM. Thanks.
post #3662 of 7504
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Originally Posted by AManAnd88Keys View Post

Why is it impossible to do a comparison between stock and White Widow?

Lyr doesn't have balanced output and my stock cable is single ended.
Mjolnir is balanced output only, and my White Widow is terminated in 4-pin XLR.
Plus, my Lyr was gone before my Mjolnir arrived.
I didn't say direct comparison cannot be done, only that it is impossible for me to do so because of reasons above.
post #3663 of 7504
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Originally Posted by jrprana View Post


Lyr doesn't have balanced output and my stock cable is single ended.
Mjolnir is balanced output only, and my White Widow is terminated in 4-pin XLR.
Plus, my Lyr was gone before my Mjolnir arrived.
I didn't say direct comparison cannot be done, only that it is impossible for me to do so because of reasons above.


Now I understand, thanks for your explanation.

post #3664 of 7504
How durable are the IEM cables from Toxic Cables? My experience with other replacement cables for my JH16s is that they don't last all that long. I have owned three, two from Whiplash and one from Headphone Lounge. While they all sound fantastic, they all have ended up with broken pins and needed to be repaired or scrapped. Toxic Cables are more expensive than Headphone Lounge cables. Are they more durable? If not, is the repair process for buyers in the US hassle-free?

Obviously, durability is not an issue with full-size headphones, so no need to tell me that those cables will last forever.
post #3665 of 7504
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post

My experience has been quite clear on the choice of Toxic Cable for the LCD2/3.   I found that the Silver Poison--I have no experience with the Silver Widow--is the best match for the LCD2 and LCD3. The Copper Venom, while an outstanding cable and by far the best choice for the HD800, is to my ears not the best choice for the Audezes.
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The LDCs have many outstanding qualities: seamless sound across the audible range; smooth treble; powerful bass; intimate "you-are-there" image.  Unfortunately, the Audeze LCD2 and to a lesser degree the superb LCD3 still suffer from some annoying shortcomings:  limited inner details; confined soundstage, and worst of all a honking overtone (for want of a better word) in the midrange.  You can crudely imitate this coloration by cupping your hands over your mouth while talking. Overall, LCD2--and less so the LCD3—with stock cable has an intimate, powerful but "dark" sound that many find alluring. I do not.
   
I trired seveal different Frank's wires. The LCD2/3 sounded fine with the Copper Venom. Without going through the details, the Copper Venom re-inforced the LCD strengths (thunderous bass, smooth midrange and treble free of any harshness/edginess) but unfortunately also exacerbated their weaknesses. The LCD overall voice became smoother but darker. You do not notice this as much if you listen to the LCD in long sessions, But as soon as I switched to another pair of high-quality heaphones, I immediately realized that the LCD had been seduced by the Dark Side of the Force: very powerful, yes, but not right.  

Frank's silver-coated (OCC) copper cables added welcoming sparkles to the sound and were a good, affordable choice.  Still the level of improvement that the Silver Poison cable (with the right amp) brought to the LCD came as a shock to me.  The "honking" in the LCD was much reduced. The second biggest improvement to my ears was with the LCD ripe bass, which while still plentifull, was noticeably tighter with the Silver Poison than with any other cables I tried (Copper Venom included).  Consequently, the dynamic impact was more apparent.  Last but not least, much of the darkness  over the audible range was finally lifted:  the LCD inner details became clearer and better articulated; the soundstage also expanded a little.  The Silver Poison retains most of the LCD's intimate, front-row image, a trademark sound that makes these headphones such a joy to listen to with Jazz and vocal.  But with a bigger soundstage the image receded a few rows back and added a better perspective and more enjoyment to orchestral and symphonic music. 

While some rock aficionados may prefer the thunderoud  bass with the Copper Venom--darkness be damned--I found the tighter bass, clearer inner details, bigger soundstage, more dynamic contrast, and better sonic balance brought by the Silver Poisona a most welcome improvement to the LC2 and LCD3.

HD800:  the C0pper Venom wins
LCD2/LCD3:  the Silver Poison wins.

ST (Justin_Time)

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I've used my Silver Poison with LCD-2 for just over one year now, and I can attest that JT's assessments of the Silver Poison + LCD-2 certainly ring true with my experience AND the cable looks as good as new despite almost daily use and a handful of accidental tugs. Going back to the stock cables occaisionally is always a stunning reminder of what the Silver Poison is contributing.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/609155/toxic-cables-the-appreciation-thread/0_20#post_8370786

Mike
post #3666 of 7504
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Originally Posted by bIack View Post

Frank, sent you a PM. Thanks.

Sorry lads, i am taking a couple of days off, and will be back to work tomorrow when i will reply to everyone, i am really shattered and this is my first days off in the last 18 months, since i started Toxic.

http://www.toxic-cables.co.uk                  PREPARE TO BE INTOXICATED

 

 

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post #3667 of 7504
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Originally Posted by minimus View Post

How durable are the IEM cables from Toxic Cables? My experience with other replacement cables for my JH16s is that they don't last all that long. I have owned three, two from Whiplash and one from Headphone Lounge. While they all sound fantastic, they all have ended up with broken pins and needed to be repaired or scrapped. Toxic Cables are more expensive than Headphone Lounge cables. Are they more durable? If not, is the repair process for buyers in the US hassle-free?

Obviously, durability is not an issue with full-size headphones, so no need to tell me that those cables will last forever.
My IEM cable is very durable but quite thick as well.
post #3668 of 7504
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Sorry lads, i am taking a couple of days off, and will be back to work tomorrow when i will reply to everyone, i am really shattered and this is my first days off in the last 18 months, since i started Toxic.

Good on you Frank! Enjoy your time off work! 

post #3669 of 7504
Enjoy my friend.
post #3670 of 7504
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Originally Posted by kenman345 View Post

Careful not to get too much radiation in one burst, you need to wait till Frank comes out with a "Lethal Injection" cable before you have your last dosage....

biggrin.gif Thanks. Gotta be careful once the Widow arrives.

post #3671 of 7504
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

I agree with this. Frank's copper cables are a dream with the HD800s. My preference is also for silver with the Audeze (Silver Widow in particular). But while it's perfect with the LCD-2s, there are some significant differences between the LCD-2 and LCD-3s. The treble is considerably more revealing on the LCD-3s.

What you end up with is:

HD800 + copper cable is less treble sharp than

LCD3 + silver widows

 

This is particularly noticeable with birght/sibilant recordings and unfortunately there's never been a lack of deaf (cough old) studio engineers.

 

The perfect treatement for the LCD-3s would be something that does everything else that Silver Widows do, but takes a bit more edge off that treble. I would estimate I have about 120-150 hours on my Silver Widows by now.

 No disagreement there about the LCD3 treble.  As a matter of fact, everything is a little more transparent with the LCD3 relative to the LCD2.

 

I found that the biggest improvement to my system happened when I improved the source. After I replaced my digital source (Oppo 105/Wadia 121 or RWA Bellina NOS DAC and HiRez Pro DAC) with the my analog source (Avid Acutus/SME V/Lyra Titan), the details on the LCD3 were miraculously enhanced without any hint of added brightness.  As a matter of fact, everything improved so much that I had a hard time switching back to my digital source if not for its addicting convenience. My point is not the switch to analog but rather that the brightness could very be in the source of your system and an improvement there will help alleviate any brightness that you may have in the LCD3, perhaps more effectively than switching the amp or the cable.

 

The Silver Poison was the best cable I found for the LCD3 but I agree that it may not be ideal if your source--not the LCD3 in my opinion--adds some brightness/harshness in the treble. The Copper Venom takes too much out of the treble, exacerbated the upper-bass boominess of the LCD3 and casts a dark veil over much of the audible range. My speculation is that perhaps an OCC litz-copper-wire cable, which gives more emphasis to the treble than the Copper Venom but less than the Silver Poison, would do the trick for the LCD3.  I haven't tried it but I am sure Frank has a cable just like that for LCD3 fans to experiment with. Sorry I cannot keep up with the names of all the variations Frank offers these days.  

 

ST (Justin_Time)  

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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post
 

Sorry I cannot keep up with the names of all the variations Frank offers these days.  

 

ST (Justin_Time)  

 

I think Hifimanrookie is our resident Toxic Cable Librarian....

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

I think Hifimanrookie is our resident Toxic Cable Librarian....
Anyone using my name? Well..occ stranded litz copper cable huh?... Mmmmm well..ur talking bout the black widow then..and if u wanna do it right u get urself the cable i am getting..the black widow 22awg 8wired..a totally balanced cable..and in my case its two cables to be honest..1 for right 1 for left..i will be taking this cable with me to the next uk meet in october..see my pics frank took of my cable..am still waiting forthe adapter cable to be finished of the same wire.. redface.gif
Or else the new arsenic could be a good pairing?
Edited by hifimanrookie - 5/19/13 at 12:33pm
post #3674 of 7504
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post

 No disagreement there about the LCD3 treble.  As a matter of fact, everything is a little more transparent with the LCD3 relative to the LCD2.

 

I found that the biggest improvement to my system happened when I improved the source. After I replaced my digital source (Oppo 105/Wadia 121 or RWA Bellina NOS DAC and HiRez Pro DAC) with the my analog source (Avid Acutus/SME V/Lyra Titan), the details on the LCD3 were miraculously enhanced without any hint of added brightness.  As a matter of fact, everything improved so much that I had a hard time switching back to my digital source if not for its addicting convenience. My point is not the switch to analog but rather that the brightness could very be in the source of your system and an improvement there will help alleviate any brightness that you may have in the LCD3, perhaps more effectively than switching the amp or the cable.

 

The Silver Poison was the best cable I found for the LCD3 but I agree that it may not be ideal if your source--not the LCD3 in my opinion--adds some brightness/harshness in the treble. The Copper Venom takes too much out of the treble, exacerbated the upper-bass boominess of the LCD3 and casts a dark veil over much of the audible range. My speculation is that perhaps an OCC litz-copper-wire cable, which gives more emphasis to the treble than the Copper Venom but less than the Silver Poison, would do the trick for the LCD3.  I haven't tried it but I am sure Frank has a cable just like that for LCD3 fans to experiment with. Sorry I cannot keep up with the names of all the variations Frank offers these days.  

 

ST (Justin_Time)  

 

It's a mix of things, from bright recordings combined with very good transparency of the upstream and exceptional detail retrieval/qualities afferent to the Silver cables. It's never an issue with proper recordings. But unfortunately I  would probably choose to sacrifice a bit of treble extension all else being equal, so I am less bothered whenever crap recordings turn up in my playlist.

 

The way I know it's not the source is that I am running my speakers using the same source. My speakers are actually at least as detailed as either of the HD800s or LCD-3s on the treble, yet there is less sibilance on the same recordings (Note: That's the HD800s on stock; on copper the HD800s are fantastic, just perfect treble wise imho). That said, my source doesn't have any treble rolloff either, and that's good in my book. The source and amp are the Burson Conductor, and they're well known and used here and while very detailed not at all bright or harsh.

 

The reason I love a really good cable is simple. It's a perfect way to fine tune the sound of that one headphone. Whereas if I start tuning the rest of my system to suit, I would end-up with imbalances to other gear, such as speakers and other headphones.  Anyway, within the current market I would still choose the Silver Widows for the LCD-3s. I've had the chance to compare quite a few of Frank's cables at the last meet. I agree and I wouldn't personally choose copper for the Audeze, as I think it takes them backwards. A bit too much of a good thing in some areas. :)


Edited by negura - 5/19/13 at 1:33pm
post #3675 of 7504

Finally received the shipment of the year (well so far anyway). smile_phones.gif

 

 

 

The cable (Silver Widow for HE-500) looks awesome. Thanks Frank!!

Had to dig some of the smaller tools from the garage to get that one loosened mini bolt from the splitter back tightened properly. Nice bolts there Frank and the splitter of course is just fabulous.

That original HiFiMan cable in the background looks just plain ordinary...

Haven't really listened the cable since it's just started the burning in process. Had to test the cable for microphonics (is this the correct word?) though, because the original cable is just awful if just about anything contacts it while listening. The SW is quality product and doesn't take any interference from any outside contact (based on the very quick test), which is nice. smile.gif

 

 

-LP-


Edited by LPP6 - 5/20/13 at 10:53am
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