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post #3646 of 7039
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The toxic SP's and SW's seemed to open up the most at around 150-200 hours....YMMV

I have a black widow 22awg since january (i was first one to get one ithink) and although they were put in franks cable burner before sending, i felt until recently (a month ago)..that the soundquality kept on improving......it sounds so right now...cant imagine how good my new,still to receive, balanced black widow cablewill sound like...

We are both going to be enjoying Balanced Black Widow's soon...

 

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post #3647 of 7039
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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The toxic SP's and SW's seemed to open up the most at around 150-200 hours....YMMV

My mileage varies around 400 compared to yours. To my ears copper takes 100 less hours to find itself than silver.

post #3648 of 7039

Could someone explain to me in layman's terms the basic science behind cable burn in? My scorpion IEM cable probably only has about 20 - 30 hours on it, but I'm sure I'm already starting to hear a perceptable chance. Could very well be expectation, but I'm curious to understand the rough logic behind the process

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Please ask these questions elsewhere. I don't want to be rude, but cable burn-in, as every other form of burn-in, is a heavily discussed topic on head-fi. You will find information and mostly "discussion" about it on other forums/threads. Unfortunately I can't provide you with links right now...  I don't want this thread to go off-topic and I am sure I am not the only one who does not want to see yet another "does burn-in even exist"-argument or anything like that...


Edited by AManAnd88Keys - 5/16/13 at 2:14pm
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I doubt science as it is can explain cable burn in. It may be a real phenomenon but i have to admit it may be all in the mind, who knows?

The funny thing is, my own experiences are uniform and follow the same up and down path within the duration of said cable burn in period.

Call me mister placebo biggrin.gif

 

Sorry for going off topic chaps.

post #3651 of 7039
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Originally Posted by AManAnd88Keys View Post

Please ask these questions elsewhere. I don't want to be rude, but cable burn-in, as every other form of burn-in, is a heavily discussed topic on head-fi. You will find information and mostly "discussion" about it on other forums/threads. Unfortunately I can't provide you with links right now...  I don't want this thread to go off-topic and I am sure I am not the only one who does not want to see yet another "does burn-in even exist"-argument or anything like that...

 

lol, sorry to ruffle your feathers.

 

I'm happy to drop it and take it elsewhere, although to be fair we are all on this particular thread as we like Frank's cables and we can hear a perceptable change in sound and I can't see anyone arguing that fact here. Burn in certainly isn't off topic either as it pertains to the subject at hand... Frank's cables biggrin.gif

 

Anyway, I shall search for my information elsewhere 

post #3652 of 7039
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Originally Posted by CraftyClown View Post

lol, sorry to ruffle your feathers.

I'm happy to drop it and take it elsewhere, although to be fair we are all on this particular thread as we like Frank's cables and we can hear a perceptable change in sound and I can't see anyone arguing that fact here. Burn in certainly isn't off topic either as it pertains to the subject at hand... Frank's cables biggrin.gif


Anyway, I shall search for my information elsewhere 

Don't be worried about amanand88keys. I am sure he has good intentions. I myself have seen threads that have veered extremely off topic, become a full fledged argument and as a result mods have to step in.

Burn in is subjective just like anything in audio, some say it exists others say it doesn't. Frank has bought expensive machines for burn in so I guess that says something smily_headphones1.gif
post #3653 of 7039

Most burn in discussions i have seen, do tend to end in arguments.

 

 

I have 2 of these currently, i would lover to get the Nordost one next, as you can attach a whole batch of cables to that beast.

http://www.toxic-cables.co.uk                  PREPARE TO BE INTOXICATED

 

 

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post #3654 of 7039
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Most burn in discussions i have seen, do tend to end in arguments.


I have 2 of these currently, i would lover to get the Nordost one next, as you can attach a whole batch of cables to that beast.

DROOL..
post #3655 of 7039
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Don't be worried about amanand88keys. I am sure he has good intentions. I myself have seen threads that have veered extremely off topic, become a full fledged argument and as a result mods have to step in.

Burn in is subjective just like anything in audio, some say it exists others say it doesn't. Frank has bought expensive machines for burn in so I guess that says something smily_headphones1.gif


Right, no one should have to be worried because of me!  As Frank said, discussion about burn-in tend to end in arguments.... It's a topic for the sound "science" forum, which (to me) is more of a battlefield than a forum.

post #3656 of 7039
I received my White Widow cable for HD650 about 2 weeks ago, and my Gungnir/Mjolnir combo a week ago. Previously I am using stock cable with Bifrost/Lyr combo.
Doing comparison between stock and White Widow is impossible since I changed my DAC/Amp at the same time, and besides I sold the Bifrost and Lyr about a week before the Gungnir and Mjolnir arrived.

So, this is a system to system comparison, namely Gungnir/Mojo/White Widow vs. Bifrost/Lyr/stock. And it's also a comparison based on what I remember the Bifrost/Lyr/stock sounded like, instead of direct A/B'ing.

FWIW, I notice that both detail and clarity are much improved.
On complex passages, music can sound congested on BF/Lyr/stock. On Gung/Mojo/White Widow, they remain detailed and effortless.
Soundstage is a bit bigger, but imaging is much improved. Instrument placements are more precise.
Bass is now tighter. Although I'm not sure that there is more bass quantity-wise, the bass quality is improved.
Midbass hump is non-existent.
Mid retains the "deliciousness" that HD650 is famous for.
Treble is more extended, but remains clean, never harsh or sibilant.
Timbre is now more "real" and natural.
I never felt that HD650 is "veiled" before, but the sound is now more transparent, and I can finally understand why some listeners might say that HD650 is "veiled".

The White Widow is a beautiful cable aesthetically, and construction is top notch, as all of you know well of Frank's workmanship. Thank you Frank!
post #3657 of 7039
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Originally Posted by jrprana View Post

I received my White Widow cable for HD650 about 2 weeks ago, and my Gungnir/Mjolnir combo a week ago. Previously I am using stock cable with Bifrost/Lyr combo.
Doing comparison between stock and White Widow is impossible since I changed my DAC/Amp at the same time, and besides I sold the Bifrost and Lyr about a week before the Gungnir and Mjolnir arrived.

So, this is a system to system comparison, namely Gungnir/Mojo/White Widow vs. Bifrost/Lyr/stock. And it's also a comparison based on what I remember the Bifrost/Lyr/stock sounded like, instead of direct A/B'ing.

FWIW, I notice that both detail and clarity are much improved.
On complex passages, music can sound congested on BF/Lyr/stock. On Gung/Mojo/White Widow, they remain detailed and effortless.
Soundstage is a bit bigger, but imaging is much improved. Instrument placements are more precise.
Bass is now tighter. Although I'm not sure that there is more bass quantity-wise, the bass quality is improved.
Midbass hump is non-existent.
Mid retains the "deliciousness" that HD650 is famous for.
Treble is more extended, but remains clean, never harsh or sibilant.
Timbre is now more "real" and natural.
I never felt that HD650 is "veiled" before, but the sound is now more transparent, and I can finally understand why some listeners might say that HD650 is "veiled".

The White Widow is a beautiful cable aesthetically, and construction is top notch, as all of you know well of Frank's workmanship. Thank you Frank!

Why is it impossible to do a comparison between stock and White Widow?
post #3658 of 7039

Hopefully my new cable is in the picture ;) Patiently waiting, 12 weeks gone now of an estimate 11 week delivery time...:)
 

post #3659 of 7039
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Hopefully my new cable is in the picture wink.gif Patiently waiting, 12 weeks gone now of an estimate 11 week delivery time...smily_headphones1.gif

 
Frank's normally not too far off his time quote. I got my cable right in time.
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Frank's normally not too far off his time quote. I got my cable right in time.

+1 smily_headphones1.gif  I got my cable on time.

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