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PM Sent....

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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Sorry lads, been really busy making cables.

 

I have just finished going through a lot of emails, there are a few left from today, so if you sent a message before today and have not received a reply yet, please send it again.

 

I will going through PM's and eBay messages tonight and finish off tomorrow.

 

Here is the first small lot of the current batch, i have over another 200 that i am still working, but trying to get the earlier ones out, rather then wait till all are finished.

 

 

 

Thanks for the support lads, please bare with me and you will get your cables, i have no plans on going anywhere. biggrin.gif

 

I wish I could say "HEY look I can see my cable from here!" but no, unfortunately I am still going to have to wait for a little longer. Keep up the amazing work Frank! We will never thank you enough for what you do!

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Originally Posted by vincentc View Post

 

I wish I could say "HEY look I can see my cable from here!" but no, unfortunately I am still going to have to wait for a little longer. Keep up the amazing work Frank! We will never thank you enough for what you do!

I was doing exactly the same thing.... And maybe, but definitely maybe I see mine in the middle. I know, we are all very patient, but bear with me a little bit. I am waiting for 4 months now, and I cannot listen to my new Sennheiser HD 800 that I bought in December, because I do not have a headphone amplifier, but only a speaker amplifier that demands a cable with speaker leads.  How is that for patience....

 

Edit: I originally stated 5 months but it is actually 4 months (paid for cable 15th of January). My excuses for not being able to count months)


Edited by playitloud - 5/15/13 at 7:29am
post #3634 of 7191
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Originally Posted by Toxic Cables View Post

Sorry lads, been really busy making cables.

 

I have just finished going through a lot of emails, there are a few left from today, so if you sent a message before today and have not received a reply yet, please send it again.

 

I will going through PM's and eBay messages tonight and finish off tomorrow.

 

Here is the first small lot of the current batch, i have over another 200 that i am still working, but trying to get the earlier ones out, rather then wait till all are finished.

 

 

 

Thanks for the support lads, please bare with me and you will get your cables, i have no plans on going anywhere. biggrin.gif

Damn, that's a lot of cables.

post #3635 of 7191
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Originally Posted by playitloud View Post

I was doing exactly the same thing.... And maybe, but definitely maybe I see mine in the middle. I know, we are all very patient, but bear with me a little bit. I am waiting for 5 months now, and I cannot listen to my new Sennheiser HD 800 that I bought in December, because I do not have a headphone amplifier, but only a speaker amplifier that demands a cable with speaker leads.  How is that for patience....

5 Months! Wow! I have been waiting for 11 weeks and I thought that was a lot... Well I have to say that is a real commitment my friend! Specially when you cannot listen to your headphone! I can still listen to my LCD2 and yet every morning I wake up with the hope of finding an email from Frank saying that my cable was posted.

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Originally Posted by vincentc View Post

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Originally Posted by playitloud View Post

I was doing exactly the same thing.... And maybe, but definitely maybe I see mine in the middle. I know, we are all very patient, but bear with me a little bit. I am waiting for 5 months now, and I cannot listen to my new Sennheiser HD 800 that I bought in December, because I do not have a headphone amplifier, but only a speaker amplifier that demands a cable with speaker leads.  How is that for patience....

5 Months! Wow! I have been waiting for 11 weeks and I thought that was a lot... Well I have to say that is a real commitment my friend! Specially when you cannot listen to your headphone! I can still listen to my LCD2 and yet every morning I wake up with the hope of finding an email from Frank saying that my cable was posted.

I ordered a Black Widow for my HD800's. Frank gave me a 13 week order time. Just to provide some current perspective.

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Originally Posted by vincentc View Post

 

I wish I could say "HEY look I can see my cable from here!" but no, unfortunately I am still going to have to wait for a little longer. Keep up the amazing work Frank! We will never thank you enough for what you do!

I can see mine in there or maybe it's just outside the picture. biggrin.gif

Finally going to get my first dose of Toxic Cables.

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Originally Posted by LPP6 View Post

I can see mine in there or maybe it's just outside the picture. biggrin.gif

Finally going to get my first dose of Toxic Cables.

Careful not to get too much radiation in one burst, you need to wait till Frank comes out with a "Lethal Injection" cable before you have your last dosage....

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My experience has been quite clear on the choice of Toxic Cable for the LCD2/3.   I found that the Silver Poison--I have no experience with the Silver Widow--is the best match for the LCD2 and LCD3. The Copper Venom, while an outstanding cable and by far the best choice for the HD800, is to my ears not the best choice for the Audezes.

.

The LDCs have many outstanding qualities: seamless sound across the audible range; smooth treble; powerful bass; intimate "you-are-there" image.  Unfortunately, the Audeze LCD2 and to a lesser degree the superb LCD3 still suffer from some annoying shortcomings:  limited inner details; confined soundstage, and worst of all a honking overtone (for want of a better word) in the midrange.  You can crudely imitate this coloration by cupping your hands over your mouth while talking. Overall, LCD2--and less so the LCD3—with stock cable has an intimate, powerful but "dark" sound that many find alluring. I do not.

   

I trired seveal different Frank's wires. The LCD2/3 sounded fine with the Copper Venom. Without going through the details, the Copper Venom re-inforced the LCD strengths (thunderous bass, smooth midrange and treble free of any harshness/edginess) but unfortunately also exacerbated their weaknesses. The LCD overall voice became smoother but darker. You do not notice this as much if you listen to the LCD in long sessions, But as soon as I switched to another pair of high-quality heaphones, I immediately realized that the LCD had been seduced by the Dark Side of the Force: very powerful, yes, but not right.  

 

Frank's silver-coated (OCC) copper cables added welcoming sparkles to the sound and were a good, affordable choice.  Still the level of improvement that the Silver Poison cable (with the right amp) brought to the LCD came as a shock to me.  The "honking" in the LCD was much reduced. The second biggest improvement to my ears was with the LCD ripe bass, which while still plentifull, was noticeably tighter with the Silver Poison than with any other cables I tried (Copper Venom included).  Consequently, the dynamic impact was more apparent.  Last but not least, much of the darkness  over the audible range was finally lifted:  the LCD inner details became clearer and better articulated; the soundstage also expanded a little.  The Silver Poison retains most of the LCD's intimate, front-row image, a trademark sound that makes these headphones such a joy to listen to with Jazz and vocal.  But with a bigger soundstage the image receded a few rows back and added a better perspective and more enjoyment to orchestral and symphonic music. 

 

While some rock aficionados may prefer the thunderoud  bass with the Copper Venom--darkness be damned--I found the tighter bass, clearer inner details, bigger soundstage, more dynamic contrast, and better sonic balance brought by the Silver Poisona a most welcome improvement to the LC2 and LCD3.

 

HD800:  the C0pper Venom wins

LCD2/LCD3:  the Silver Poison wins.

 

ST (Justin_Time)

 

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post #3640 of 7191
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post

My experience has been quite clear on the choice of Toxic Cable for the LCD2/3.   I found that the Silver Poison--I have no experience with the Silver Widow--is the best match for the LCD2 and LCD3. The Copper Venom, while an outstanding cable and by far the best choice for the HD800, is to my ears not the best choice for the Audezes.

.

The LDCs have many outstanding qualities: seamless sound across the audible range; smooth treble; powerful bass; intimate "you-are-there" image.  Unfortunately, the Audeze LCD2 and to a lesser degree the superb LCD3 still suffer from some annoying shortcomings:  limited inner details; confined soundstage, and worst of all a honking overtone (for want of a better word) in the midrange.  You can crudely imitate this coloration by cupping your hands over your mouth while talking. Overall, LCD2--and less so the LCD3—with stock cable has an intimate, powerful but "dark" sound that many find alluring. I do not.

   

I trired seveal different Frank's wires. The LCD2/3 sounded fine with the Copper Venom. Without going through the details, the Copper Venom re-inforced the LCD strengths (thunderous bass, smooth midrange and treble free of any harshness/edginess) but unfortunately also exacerbated their weaknesses. The LCD overall voice became smoother but darker. You do not notice this as much if you listen to the LCD in long sessions, But as soon as I switched to another pair of high-quality heaphones, I immediately realized that the LCD had been seduced by the Dark Side of the Force: very powerful, yes, but not right.  

 

Frank's silver-coated (OCC) copper cables added welcoming sparkles to the sound and were a good, affordable choice.  Still the level of improvement that the Silver Poison cable (with the right amp) brought to the LCD came as a shock to me.  The "honking" in the LCD was much reduced. The second biggest improvement to my ears was with the LCD ripe bass, which while still plentifull, was noticeably tighter with the Silver Poison than with any other cables I tried (Copper Venom included).  Consequently, the dynamic impact was more apparent.  Last but not least, much of the darkness  over the audible range was finally lifted:  the LCD inner details became clearer and better articulated; the soundstage also expanded a little.  The Silver Poison retains most of the LCD's intimate, front-row image, a trademark sound that makes these headphones such a joy to listen to with Jazz and vocal.  But with a bigger soundstage the image receded a few rows back and added a better perspective and more enjoyment to orchestral and symphonic music. 

 

While some rock aficionados may prefer the thunderoud  bass with the Copper Venom--darkness be damned--I found the tighter bass, clearer inner details, bigger soundstage, more dynamic contrast, and better sonic balance brought by the Silver Poisona a most welcome improvement to the LC2 and LCD3.

 

HD800:  the C0pper Venom wins

LCD2/LCD3:  the Silver Poison wins.

 

ST (Justin_Time)

 

.


Thanks for your insightful comparison. Your findings match my experiences with the Arsenic cable, which is also (partially) a silver/gold cable. And I too listen to Jazz a lot wink.gif

post #3641 of 7191
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Originally Posted by Justin_Time View Post

My experience has been quite clear on the choice of Toxic Cable for the LCD2/3.   I found that the Silver Poison--I have no experience with the Silver Widow--is the best match for the LCD2 and LCD3. The Copper Venom, while an outstanding cable and by far the best choice for the HD800, is to my ears not the best choice for the Audezes.

.

The LDCs have many outstanding qualities: seamless sound across the audible range; smooth treble; powerful bass; intimate "you-are-there" image.  Unfortunately, the Audeze LCD2 and to a lesser degree the superb LCD3 still suffer from some annoying shortcomings:  limited inner details; confined soundstage, and worst of all a honking overtone (for want of a better word) in the midrange.  You can crudely imitate this coloration by cupping your hands over your mouth while talking. Overall, LCD2--and less so the LCD3—with stock cable has an intimate, powerful but "dark" sound that many find alluring. I do not.

   

I trired seveal different Frank's wires. The LCD2/3 sounded fine with the Copper Venom. Without going through the details, the Copper Venom re-inforced the LCD strengths (thunderous bass, smooth midrange and treble free of any harshness/edginess) but unfortunately also exacerbated their weaknesses. The LCD overall voice became smoother but darker. You do not notice this as much if you listen to the LCD in long sessions, But as soon as I switched to another pair of high-quality heaphones, I immediately realized that the LCD had been seduced by the Dark Side of the Force: very powerful, yes, but not right.  

 

Frank's silver-coated (OCC) copper cables added welcoming sparkles to the sound and were a good, affordable choice.  Still the level of improvement that the Silver Poison cable (with the right amp) brought to the LCD came as a shock to me.  The "honking" in the LCD was much reduced. The second biggest improvement to my ears was with the LCD ripe bass, which while still plentifull, was noticeably tighter with the Silver Poison than with any other cables I tried (Copper Venom included).  Consequently, the dynamic impact was more apparent.  Last but not least, much of the darkness  over the audible range was finally lifted:  the LCD inner details became clearer and better articulated; the soundstage also expanded a little.  The Silver Poison retains most of the LCD's intimate, front-row image, a trademark sound that makes these headphones such a joy to listen to with Jazz and vocal.  But with a bigger soundstage the image receded a few rows back and added a better perspective and more enjoyment to orchestral and symphonic music. 

 

While some rock aficionados may prefer the thunderoud  bass with the Copper Venom--darkness be damned--I found the tighter bass, clearer inner details, bigger soundstage, more dynamic contrast, and better sonic balance brought by the Silver Poisona a most welcome improvement to the LC2 and LCD3.

 

HD800:  the C0pper Venom wins

LCD2/LCD3:  the Silver Poison wins.

 

ST (Justin_Time)

 

.

 

I agree with this. Frank's copper cables are a dream with the HD800s. My preference is also for silver with the Audeze (Silver Widow in particular). But while it's perfect with the LCD-2s, there are some significant differences between the LCD-2 and LCD-3s. The treble is considerably more revealing on the LCD-3s.

What you end up with is:

HD800 + copper cable is less treble sharp than

LCD3 + silver widows

 

This is particularly noticeable with birght/sibilant recordings and unfortunately there's never been a lack of deaf (cough old) studio engineers.

 

The perfect treatement for the LCD-3s would be something that does everything else that Silver Widows do, but takes a bit more edge off that treble. I would estimate I have about 120-150 hours on my Silver Widows by now.


Edited by negura - 5/16/13 at 5:23am
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I have 3 Silver Widows for my HE6's,HD800's and LCD2.2's.

 

Firstly if the HD800's are not bright in your system they won't be bright with the Silver Widow. I love then sound of the Silver Widows with the HD800's and the HE6's.

When I first listened to the SW with the LCd's the bass was overblown and lacked timing and the general sound was un-cohesive. After just a few hours use the bass has become much tigher and the focus of the sound has snapped into focus.

 

As I have 3 cables to burn in, which is going to take sometime as I can only use one at a time, can anyone tell me how long to fully burn in the SW cables and what other changes I can expect.

 

Thanks


Edited by nigeljames - 5/16/13 at 5:56am
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My experience with silver cables is between 550 to 600 hours burn in. at around the 400 to 450 mark they sound confused and not pleasurable to listen with. perseverance pays dividends. no doubt i will be flamed by the science crew for my findings ;-)
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Originally Posted by alvin sawdust View Post

My experience with silver cables is between 550 to 600 hours burn in. at around the 400 to 450 mark they sound confused and not pleasurable to listen with. perseverance pays dividends. no doubt i will be flamed by the science crew for my findings ;-)

The toxic SP's and SW's seemed to open up the most at around 150-200 hours....YMMV

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

The toxic SP's and SW's seemed to open up the most at around 150-200 hours....YMMV

I have a black widow 22awg since january (i was first one to get one ithink) and although they were put in franks cable burner before sending, i felt until recently (a month ago)..that the soundquality kept on improving......it sounds so right now...cant imagine how good my new,still to receive, balanced black widow cablewill sound like...
Edited by hifimanrookie - 5/16/13 at 12:01pm
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